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post #1 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:22pm
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Yummy...

PHOTO: Pre-McNugget Meat Paste, AKA Mechanically Separated Chicken

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The photo above has been extensively passed around today, and for good reason: it's a peak into the rarely-seen world of mechanically separated meat, or Advanced Meat Recovery (AMR).

Fooducate writes:

Someone figured out in the 1960s that meat processors can eek out a few more percent of profit from chickens, turkeys, pigs, and cows by scraping the bones 100% clean of meat. This is done by machines, not humans, by passing bones leftover after the initial cutting through a high pressure sieve. The paste you see in the picture above is the result.

Michael Kindt continues:

There's more: because it's crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it, actually. Then, because it tastes gross, it will be reflavored artificially. Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with artificial color.

But, hey, at least it tastes good, right?

High five, America!

The resulting paste goes on to become the main ingredient in many of America's favorite mass-produced and processed meat-like foods and snacks: bologna, hot dogs, salami, pepperoni, Slim Jim-like jerkys, and of course the ever-polarizing Chicken McNugget, where the paste from the photo above was likely destined.
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post #2 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:27pm
Awesome. I'm going to go vomit for a week.
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post #3 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:30pm
Actually not quite as bad as I'd feared! Not that McNuggets are not still gross, just that that picture wasn't worse than the mental image I already had of what the process must look like
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post #4 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:32pm
It has a lot in common with soft serve ice cream.
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post #5 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:33pm
I just forwarded that to every parent I know.
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post #6 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:47pm
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I can't wait until I finally return to the states for a holiday one day - but I swear I'll be more scared eating the food there than in the third world.
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post #7 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:52pm
This wasn't common knowledge? Some people are pussies.
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post #8 of 266
10/4/10 at 10:58pm
Every part of every aspect of any meat processing is gross.

So is open heart surgery, for the record. I don't eat hearts though. Just chicken.
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post #9 of 266
10/4/10 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
Every part of every aspect of any meat processing is gross.

So is open heart surgery, for the record. I don't eat hearts though. Just chicken.
What about chicken hearts?
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post #10 of 266
10/4/10 at 11:02pm
Fast food is almost universally horrible. Why does anyone need more reason than that not to eat it?
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post #11 of 266
10/4/10 at 11:11pm
Just out of curiosity (and perhaps even playing a bit of Devil's Advocate), why aren't the rest of the items...

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The resulting paste goes on to become the main ingredient in many of America's favorite mass-produced and processed meat-like foods and snacks: bologna, hot dogs, salami, pepperoni...
...added to the Indignation list? Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending McD's or fast food in general, nor am I saying it's not gross ('cause it totally is), but we all (for the most part) eat SOMETHING on that list, even if we shun the McNugget.
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post #12 of 266
10/4/10 at 11:46pm
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Originally Posted by JGButler View Post
Just out of curiosity (and perhaps even playing a bit of Devil's Advocate), why aren't the rest of the items...



...added to the Indignation list? Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending McD's or fast food in general, nor am I saying it's not gross ('cause it totally is), but we all (for the most part) eat SOMETHING on that list, even if we shun the McNugget.
Well, because it only serves the Leftist ego to attack Big Business. Fuck the history of processed meat in the Western World. McDonalds bad! Money bad!
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post #13 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:00am
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Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
Well, because it only serves the Leftist ego to attack Big Business. Fuck the history of processed meat in the Western World. McDonalds bad! Money bad!
Jam that bullshit where it fits, where was there only indignation for McNuggets exactly? Anything using that filth is frikkin to be avoided like the plague.
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post #14 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
Jam that bullshit where it fits, where was there only indignation for McNuggets exactly?
Well, even the thread title is McNugget-centric, as is the article - even to go as far as to speculate that the image we saw was "likely" headed for our kids' Happy Meals. It could very well be headed for the pepperoni we put on our pizzas, the hot dogs we eat at the various ballparks, etc and so forth. Granted, it's not the best way to handle meat and it probably should be avoided if at all possible, but at the same time, unless we were vegetarians straight outta the womb, we've all eaten it. Large quantities of it, at that.
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post #15 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:04am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
Jam that bullshit where it fits, where was there only indignation for McNuggets exactly? Anything using that filth is frikkin to be avoided like the plague.
Read the original Michael Kindt quote and how the focus of the slam is directed back at McDonalds. He has no idea that the meat is going to the fast food sector, yet that's what he jumps on.

So jam your anti-business commie bullshit back down your Vegemite lined throat.
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post #16 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:04am
And it was delicious.
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post #17 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by JGButler View Post
Granted, it's not the best way to handle meat and it probably should be avoided if at all possible, but at the same time, unless we were vegetarians straight outta the womb, we've all eaten it. Large quantities of it, at that.
I don't see how this negates the need to educate people on the crap they're putting into their systems under the category of 'food' tho. Maybe, just maybe, people will try and avoid that shit if they actually know what it is?

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Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
Read the original Michael Kindt quote and how the focus of the slam is directed back at McDonalds. He has no idea that the meat is going to the fast food sector, yet that's what he jumps on.

So jam your anti-business commie bullshit back down your Vegemite lined throat.
Hang on - are you saying you don't believe this shit is going to the fast food sector - and what, have you got shares in McDonalds or something? I think they'll somehow cope without you leaping to their defense.

But please continue to jerk off over the straw man that is your idea of the 'Leftist ego' while shoving your massive hard on for the free market up your southern fried ass.
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post #18 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:17am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
I don't see how this negates the need to educate people on the crap they're putting into their systems under the category of 'food' tho. Maybe, just maybe, people will try and avoid that shit if they actually know what it is?



Hang on - are you saying you don't believe this shit is going to the fast food sector - and what, have you got shares in McDonalds or something? I think they'll somehow cope without you leaping to their defense.

But please continue to jerk off over the straw man that is your idea of the 'Leftist ego' while shoving your massive hard on for the free market up your southern fried ass.

I believe that it's going everywhere from school cafeterias to prisons to the grocery sector to fast food. Singling out one area for supporting these meat processing decisions is bullshit. It's industry that is fueled by consumer demand.

But, it's so convenient to be disgusted by something that the Western World supports. It's not going away because people want it.

I don't have to defend McDonalds or whomever else because they've got amazing lawyers to back them up. I do enjoy calling out Foreign Liberal bullshit when I see it.

You'll ignore everything else, so I'll summarize it for you. Go fuck a Koala in the neck.
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post #19 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
I don't see how this negates the need to educate people on the crap they're putting into their systems under the category of 'food' tho. Maybe, just maybe, people will try and avoid that shit if they actually know what it is?
I'm with ya to a degree, but this isn't new information. Granted, it needs to be accessible information as people need to be educated on the things they're putting in their faces, but to all of a sudden now say "OH NO THIS IS AWFUL DON'T EAT IT" feels a bit disingenuous, because again - old news.

But mainly I was just scoffing at the article's rush to vilify a chain that seems to be the go-to punching bag in terms of healthy food while ignoring the other foods that we all enjoy that employ the same technique. "OMG GUYS THIS IS A MCNUGGET it's also bologna and pepperoni and salami DON'T EAT MCNUGGETS!"

And Patrick's right - gross though it may be to look at, it is pretty delicious.
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post #20 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:25am
One of the episodes of Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution had a moment where he showed kids basically the same thing when it came to their school's chicken nuggets. The more they know, right? Their reaction? They were all, "Ewwww! Ick! Grooooss!" But in the end, they still preferred to eat the nuggets as opposed to the dishes Oliver made.

This photo isn't gonna make much of a dent.

EDIT: Looks like the link got updated with some additional info:
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UPDATE, 10/4/10: The story has been amended to reflect that although mass produced chicken nuggets at large may contain mechanically separated chicken, McDonald's famous McNuggets no longer do contain "mechanically separated poultry as defined by the federal government. The USDA now requires foods with mechanically separated poultry to be labeled as containing "mechanically separated chicken or turkey" in their ingredients lists.

Additionally, although "mechanically separated meat" may apply to turkey, chicken and pork, due to concerns over BSE, the federal government has held since 2004 that mechanically separated beef "is considered inedible and is prohibited for use as human food."
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post #21 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
I believe that it's going everywhere from school cafeterias to prisons to the grocery sector to fast food. Singling out one area for supporting these meat processing decisions is bullshit. It's industry that is fueled by consumer demand.

But, it's so convenient to be disgusted by something that the Western World supports. It's not going away because people want it.

I don't have to defend McDonalds or whomever else because they've got amazing lawyers to back them up. I do enjoy calling out Foreign Liberal bullshit when I see it.

You'll ignore everything else, so I'll summarize it for you. Go fuck a Koala in the neck.
Short of getting your inbred dick in an epic twist about some perceived notion that 'dem foreen librul fags dun criticised America', I'm kinda lost as to what point you're making.

Are you trying to argue that this shit being fed to people is a good thing?

"The Western world supports it" and "It's not going away because people want it" is kinda negated by the fact that not very many people actually know what 'it' is - and the article I linked to covered all sorts of areas this 'meat' is used in, you've just gotten an epic hard on about the straw man in your head.

I actually posted this not as some grand political statement - hence why I put it in the 'Misc. Culture' forum, but as a chance for us all to have a good round of 'eww' and 'gross!' type reactions and maybe a bit of a giggle, the only person who's turned this into some grand political rant is you and you're incredibly sandy vagina.
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post #22 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:29am
As gross as that looks i'll still lay waste to a 10 piece.
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post #23 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:31am
Ok stop. All of you stop. Just stop.
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post #24 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:33am
God McNuggets are tasty. Because they're deepfried. I'm pretty sure they could deep fry the machine that goop is coming out of and it would taste phenomenal. Also, lol at the australian guy scoffing at what other people eat. Vegemite. Fucking Vegemite.

I would rather eat nothing but McNuggets until I died at age 40 than eat Vegemite.
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post #25 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by JGButler View Post
I'm with ya to a degree, but this isn't new information. Granted, it needs to be accessible information as people need to be educated on the things they're putting in their faces, but to all of a sudden now say "OH NO THIS IS AWFUL DON'T EAT IT" feels a bit disingenuous, because again - old news.

But mainly I was just scoffing at the article's rush to vilify a chain that seems to be the go-to punching bag in terms of healthy food while ignoring the other foods that we all enjoy that employ the same technique. "OMG GUYS THIS IS A MCNUGGET it's also bologna and pepperoni and salami DON'T EAT MCNUGGETS!"

And Patrick's right - gross though it may be to look at, it is pretty delicious.
I dunno, I just completely missed the whole beat up on McDonalds aspect to it, I just read it as it being an easy example of a fast food industry that no doubt all uses that shit - to be honest it was the hot dog and bolognie and stuff that was more of an eye opener for me personally.

Again tho, it was more posted for the 'eww' factor - I'm sure it must be used for food stuffs here in Oz as well (I would assume anyway), I just find it interesting to see how different people react when confronted with some of the stuff we happily put in ourselves is all.
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post #26 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:38am
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Short of getting your inbred dick in an epic twist about some perceived notion that 'dem foreen librul fags dun criticised America', I'm kinda lost as to what point you're making.

Are you trying to argue that this shit being fed to people is a good thing?

"The Western world supports it" and "It's not going away because people want it" is kinda negated by the fact that not very many people actually know what 'it' is - and the article I linked to covered all sorts of areas this 'meat' is used in, you've just gotten an epic hard on about the straw man in your head.

I actually posted this not as some grand political statement - hence why I put it in the 'Misc. Culture' forum, but as a chance for us all to have a good round of 'eww' and 'gross!' type reactions and maybe a bit of a giggle, the only person who's turned this into some grand political rant is you and you're incredibly sandy vagina.


You love calling everything a straw man, don't you? Spend some time out of the Political forum and in the real world. People do know what they're eating, but they don't give a fuck.

No matter how many trees you want to hug, you can't beat apathy. Apathy is the strongest force in the world.
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post #27 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:39am
Chicken McNuggets are gross. McDonald's Chicken Selects are a little better, but too dry for my taste.

But I'm sure this stuff also goes towards the smaller local fast food chains I frequent like Culvers, who have GREAT chicken tenders, very juicy and flavorful. And with the right barbecue sauce, Tyson's frozen chicken tenders can also be quite good.

It's all dead animal killed in gross conditions, from Peter Lugar's to Arby's. The fact is that most people don't give a shit because to them, food is something you put in your face to not die. If this kind of things upset you, by all means go vegetarian or vegan or whatever you call someone who only eats rocks and vitamins.

But before you do, understand how many bugs have previous crawled on that head of lettuce that made your salad.

Also, holy shit, do you know how sausage is made? Fucking crazy gross.
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post #28 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:41am
I only eat carrots that I grow in my own organic garden, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
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post #29 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:42am
I've watched sausage being made. It's amazing. Amazing in that Motel Hell sense of the word.
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post #30 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:44am
By the way, for anyone still "eeew"ing over the Chicken Soft Serve up there, I'd like to see how appetizing you think a freshly killed bloody animal with pumping veins and emptying bowels looks.
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post #31 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:45am
Thank God my morality isn't based on what is and isn't aesthetically pleasing. It's like going pro-life after seeing a picture of an aborted fetus.
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post #32 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:49am
Seriously, PETA isn't wrong when they say Meat is Murder, some of us just happen to think that kind of murder is tasty.
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post #33 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:50am
Or that equating animals and humans is retarded.
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post #34 of 266
10/5/10 at 12:51am
Oh good god. That looks like soft-serve ice cream....not meat.
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post #35 of 266
10/5/10 at 1:51am
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I would rather eat nothing but McNuggets until I died at age 40 than eat Vegemite.
I've tasted Vegemite. It is indeed god awful. Stil l wouldn't touch a McNugget.

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By the way, for anyone still "eeew"ing over the Chicken Soft Serve up there, I'd like to see how appetizing you think a freshly killed bloody animal with pumping veins and emptying bowels looks.
Personally, its not the aesthetic appearance that's the problem with the photo; its not actually food. I kinda wish we had to kill our own food to eat it. It would make people appreciate where real meat comes from and what it actually tastes like. I've seen people taste real food and complain it doesn't taste like the chains. Yeah, because the crappy meat isn't covered in fat and sugar.

I do understand how hard it is to get cheap, natural or organic foods in many parts of the country. I visited my brother in Florida recently and it was non-stop chain restaurants, where everything was deep fried and covered in some sort of cheese or gravy. And if I asked for a hero it was slathered in mayo.
Don't get me wrong, I have my vices. Bacon, fried chicken, & mac and cheese can't be beat. I prefer to eat legitimate food, not shit scraped off the scraps left over.

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I believe that it's going everywhere from school cafeterias to prisons to the grocery sector to fast food.
Yeah, its fucking sick that school cafeterias get food products that aren't quality enough to get sold to restaurants and supermarkets.
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post #36 of 266
10/5/10 at 2:19am
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I've watched sausage being made.
That's so kinky.
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post #37 of 266
10/5/10 at 2:33am
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That's so kinky.
You have no idea.
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post #38 of 266
10/5/10 at 2:47am
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You have no idea.
Have you watched blood sausages get made?
cause that's pretty much the S&M version of regular sausage....dammit, i could eat a morcilla/prieta and a chorizo right now!



Look at those pretties, ripe and ready to burst its delicious insides out....
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post #39 of 266
10/5/10 at 3:09am
No matter how bad it looks I know those would taste amazing,Ryoken
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post #40 of 266
10/5/10 at 3:18am
I've had stools that looked like that. Is that a bad thing?
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post #41 of 266
10/5/10 at 3:43am
You fuckers leave Vegemite out of this. Vegemite on hot buttered toast is the food of the gods.

Just like McNuggets with the mustard sauce.
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post #42 of 266
10/5/10 at 4:39am
Oh, Americans! You and your weird ass affinity towards multinational fucking corporations never fail to amuse and confuse me. Not to mention your tendency to regard the joyous consumption of food processed to the point of needing artificial flavor so they can resemble their initial state as a display of manliness.

Every time this picture or anything related comes up you can always count on responses like "It still tastes great! What are you some fucking pussy? Go eat some arugula!"
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post #43 of 266
10/5/10 at 7:07am
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Oh, Americans! You and your weird ass affinity towards multinational fucking corporations never fail to amuse and confuse me. Not to mention your tendency to regard the joyous consumption of food processed to the point of needing artificial flavor so they can resemble their initial state as a display of manliness.

Every time this picture or anything related comes up you can always count on responses like "It still tastes great! What are you some fucking pussy? Go eat some arugula!"
Well, they have to somehow offset their own possession of a bountiful, feminine bosom/bitch tits.
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post #44 of 266
10/5/10 at 7:43am
Last known picture of Anderson:

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post #45 of 266
10/5/10 at 8:36am
Just to kinda defend Mr. Anderson here: I think his main point is the apathy of the consumer will not effect change. Show the consumer (anywhere in the world) the source of his or her consumption and after the initial disgust there are shrugs and an arm reach for dipping sauce. Anyway, that's what I took from his posts here.

Also: Bertolucci's 1900 has a swell sequence of Gerard Depardieu making sausage from scratch. All very symbolic and socialisty. And delicious.
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post #46 of 266
10/5/10 at 9:15am
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By the way, for anyone still "eeew"ing over the Chicken Soft Serve up there, I'd like to see how appetizing you think a freshly killed bloody animal with pumping veins and emptying bowels looks.
That might be grizzly, but it's infinitely less creepy. Plus you'd know that it wouldn't be pumped full of god knows how many chemicals.
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post #47 of 266
10/5/10 at 9:19am
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That might be grizzly, but it's infinitely less creepy. Plus you'd know that it wouldn't be pumped full of god knows how many chemicals.
Well, that depends on where it's been slaughtered. Everything has a dose of some sort of chemical in this day and age. But yeah. Preferable to overly processed whatsit.
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post #48 of 266
10/5/10 at 9:21am
Those damn hippies!

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Fast-food freebie ban gets OK in San Francisco
(AP) – 12 hours ago

SAN FRANCISCO — San Francisco lawmakers have given preliminary approval to a law that would prohibit fast-food restaurants from putting toys in children's meals unless they include fruits and vegetables and don't have too many unhealthy calories.

A committee of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted 3-0 Monday to pass the proposed ordinance on to the full board. Santa Clara County supervisors adopted a similar law in April that banned all fast-food freebies.

Several doctors testified in favor of the San Francisco law. One recalled seeing children in hospital waiting rooms carrying McDonald's Happy Meals.

Under Supervisor Eric Mar's proposal, McDonald's and other restaurants could only include toys in meals that have a half-cup each of fruit and vegetables and limited amounts of sugar, sodium and fat.
I'm not a Mickey D fan, but I think these legislators and activists are very short sighted. There will always be crappy food out there, whether or not happy Meals contain toys. Their focus should be on food education for parents & kids, as well as a push for bringing healthy food options to communities that need them and prices they can afford.
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post #49 of 266
10/5/10 at 9:31am
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Well, that depends on where it's been slaughtered. Everything has a dose of some sort of chemical in this day and age.
Fair point.
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post #50 of 266
10/5/10 at 9:57am
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By the way, for anyone still "eeew"ing over the Chicken Soft Serve up there, I'd like to see how appetizing you think a freshly killed bloody animal with pumping veins and emptying bowels looks.
Try again. I've been seeing stuff like that since I was a kid. I was probably seven when I first saw a lamb slaughtered, skinned and prepared for spit roasting. It was remarkably gross. Still tasted delicious.

It's not the fact that it looks gross. It's the fact that it's processed to such a degree that it needs artificial flavoring to taste like chicken. You might as well be eating flavored protein paste.
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