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MAD MAX 2 (aka THE ROAD WARRIOR)

post #1 of 60
10/7/10 at 12:02pm
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Couldn't find a thread. The blu-ray is a steal with a pretty nice transfer (of the version titled Mad Max 2; my understanding is that it's a longer cut than the prints called The Road Warrior.

Loved it as a kid; as an adult it's such a model of efficient, effective, nearly dialogue-free filmmaking. I only noticed later in life that a lot of Humungus' gang are former MFP police officers; I recently read that in an early draft of the script, Humungus was actually a scarred and insane Goose from the first film.
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post #2 of 60
10/7/10 at 12:15pm
I want to find where I read this, maybe in the book Action Speaks Louder, but the subject of the Lord Humungous' gang being gay and/or bisexual came up and in an excerpt from a George Miller interview, Miller acknowledges this and intimates that they're useless to society b/c they can't help man repopulate and start over.

Now I love the film, and I need to find that interview again, but I don't think I'm mischaracterizing his statement, a statement w/ some disturbing implications.
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post #3 of 60
10/7/10 at 12:17pm
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(of the version titled Mad Max 2; my understanding is that it's a longer cut than the prints called The Road Warrior.
Are two cuts on the disc? I'd never heard they were different.
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I recently read that in an early draft of the script, Humungus was actually a scarred and insane Goose from the first film.
I'm very glad they ditched that idea.

Amazing movie. People can go on and on about this and that chase scene, but this has them all beat for my money. Love the lack of dialogue, love the vehicles, love the stunts, and love the twist. And I really love showing this to people for the first time.

In the minority in that I don't love the score. I'd really like to watch this movie with no score whatsoever and see how it plays.
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post #4 of 60
10/7/10 at 12:22pm
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I want to find where I read this, maybe in the book Action Speaks Louder, but the subject of the Lord Humungous' gang being gay and/or bisexual came up and in an excerpt from a George Miller interview, Miller acknowledges this and intimates that they're useless to society b/c they can't help man repopulate and start over.
I've heard it too, but they not only rape one of the tribe inside the gas refinery, there are women in their own gang.

Nexus - only one cut on the disc. According to DVDAF.com, they refer to it as the "Uncut International Version"; maybe they just mean the title screen?
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post #5 of 60
10/7/10 at 12:35pm
I've only seen these films as a kid. I have almost no recollection of the first and second one. I will give these a spin soon.
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post #6 of 60
10/7/10 at 1:09pm
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Try to get Road Warrior on blu. It's a whole different experience than the pan and scan dvd.
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post #7 of 60
10/7/10 at 1:39pm
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I recently read that in an early draft of the script, Humungus was actually a scarred and insane Goose from the first film.
Oh man, that would've been kinda awesome.

I just rewatched the whole trilogy not long ago. The Road Warrior is like everything I love about Action movies in one high octane package. I love the pacing, and the way Miller is unafraid to slow down and use quiet; allowing the film to start small and do a gradual build until the grandiose epic finish. Gibson, like Eastwood before him, makes fascinating acting choices, creating a nearly silent, yet almost fully realized character with just facial expressions and a scarred (raspy) voice.

Geeks throw around the label "perfect" (guilty!) too often, but Miller's Mad Max 2 in my book is.
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post #8 of 60
10/7/10 at 1:44pm
I plan to be watching this beast on the big (outdoor) screen in the wee hours of Sunday night/Monday morning as part of DRIVE-INVASION here in Atlanta. Check out this lineup, gents:

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post #9 of 60
10/7/10 at 2:08pm
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That seems awesome.

And yes, Elvis, in many, many ways what the Mad Max series did for Gibson parallels what The Man With No Name trilogy did for Eastwood (and the comparison can probably be dragged all the way to Dirty Harry and Lethal Weapon in some ways).

In recently rewatching the trilogy, I was surprised at how different in tone Mad Max and Mad Max 2 are, and just how hard Thunderdome falls apart after a promising first act. (Not to mention how much goddamn older Gibson looks between the first and second films, which are only two years apart. By all accounts the drinking started early, and you can tell.)
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post #10 of 60
10/7/10 at 3:13pm
I believe I saw ROAD WARRIOR before I saw MAD MAX, and so the first film was a surprise in its sparseness and lack of... apocalypticness(?) when compared to ROAD WARRIOR and THUNDERDOME (which I had probably also seen on network TV by that time). The more elaborately dressed vehicles/characters of the latter two films appealed to me more as a younger fella, and that's still the case today, honestly. I just love crazy made-up vehicles and whatnot.

Yeah, really excited for the show this weekend. Hope I can stay up for all five films!
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post #11 of 60
10/7/10 at 3:34pm
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I plan to be watching this beast on the big (outdoor) screen in the wee hours of Sunday night/Monday morning as part of DRIVE-INVASION here in Atlanta.
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We suggest you crank your car between Movies for a few minutes to make sure you don't drain your battery.
Would that really be enough? Obviously so, or people wouldn't be doing it, but it always seemed insane to me to run one's car radio off the battery for 90+ minutes.

I left my headlights on for two hours a month ago and it killed the battery. Even with recharging between movies, it seems a daunting task...especially staying for all five features.
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post #12 of 60
10/7/10 at 3:56pm
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Did it for two movies this summer and it was fine.
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post #13 of 60
10/7/10 at 4:03pm
Is this a new Road Warrior Blu-ray or the one that's already in release?
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post #14 of 60
10/7/10 at 4:05pm
To corroborate the "Humungus and his boys are Cruising", I read online that with the subtitles on, and when Humungus is yelling at them, he refers to some of them as "Smegma Boys."

I haven't seen my old Warner dvd (it was one of my first dvds that I picked up in November of 2000 along with Excalibur and True Romance!) in a while, so I can't say for certain, but I wouldn't past Miller, especially since he's pretty much confirmed it.

I need to pick up the Blu-ray of this excellent movie that I've loved since seeing it on A&E back in the mid 90's.
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post #15 of 60
10/7/10 at 4:15pm
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I wouldn't past Miller, especially since he's pretty much confirmed it.
And yet...(NSFW)
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post #16 of 60
10/7/10 at 4:29pm
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Would that really be enough? Obviously so, or people wouldn't be doing it, but it always seemed insane to me to run one's car radio off the battery for 90+ minutes.

I left my headlights on for two hours a month ago and it killed the battery. Even with recharging between movies, it seems a daunting task...especially staying for all five features.
Yeahhh, actually, last year, my car was dead after IL TOPO, BLUES BROTHERS, and ZARDOZ, and I'd cranked it once or twice between films. I got a jumpstart, and headed home before FROGS! Disappointed to miss it, but I was pooped.

It's usually not a problem when I stay for a regular double feature though.

Sorry for the derail!
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post #17 of 60
10/7/10 at 4:33pm
This and The Departed were the first Blu-rays I ever bought back in '07.

It's amazing how awesome this and Mad Max are, and the AWESOME first 45 minutes of Thunderdome before it descends into complete poppycock.
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post #18 of 60
10/7/10 at 4:35pm
Even if the film doesn't paint them as 100% homosexual, there's no arguing that there isn't a healthy dollop of sexual 'deviancy' signifiers used to convey the threat and menace of Humungus' crew.
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post #19 of 60
10/7/10 at 4:37pm
And we all know Vernon Wells would go on to gayer things...

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post #20 of 60
10/7/10 at 5:22pm
I like all of the Mad Max movies, but The Road Warrior is my favorite. It's got Lord Humungous- the Ayatollah of Rock'n'rolla- as the villain, for crying out loud!
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post #21 of 60
10/7/10 at 5:42pm
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And we all know Vernon Wells would go on to gayer things...
I don't know, assless chaps are pretty hard to beat.
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post #22 of 60
10/7/10 at 5:46pm
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Here's a draft of the script. Not final but not the one with Goose.

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WEZ is followed by TWO MORE MOHAWKERS on bikes, THREE
GAYBOY BERSERKERS in road racers and FOUR SMEGMA CRAZIES
in bizarre dune buggies.
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post #23 of 60
10/7/10 at 6:42pm
Wow, those character descriptions have been absorbed right into the BORDERLANDS enemy creation process, more or less.
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post #24 of 60
10/7/10 at 7:20pm
I almost want to go back and replay Fallout 3 as a Gayboy Berserker now.
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post #25 of 60
10/7/10 at 7:30pm
Humungus as The Goose would have been pretty interesting. I never noticed it until Phil pointed it out in his initial post that most of his crew are former MFP officers. I know there were a few, because there was even a "Bad Cop" Road Warrior figure made.

Never got it, but I do have the ones of Max and his dog, Max and The Feral Kid, The Gyro Captain, and Humungus.

I believe it was on the IMDB that I read, that when Humungus loads up his pistol, that you see a picture of a family in the gun case, and that's a hint at his life before the apocalypse.
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post #26 of 60
10/7/10 at 7:43pm
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Nexus - only one cut on the disc. According to DVDAF.com, they refer to it as the "Uncut International Version"; maybe they just mean the title screen?
Nah that would be the original Mad Max 2 Miller originally made for domestic Australian audiences. At the very least the name, the montage of what happened to society at the beginning and the accent of the grown feral kid as the narrator should all be different.

This film is just about my favourite ever made in this country. Its a textbook case of lean, perfect storytelling.
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post #27 of 60
10/7/10 at 8:21pm
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I don't know, assless chaps are pretty hard to beat.
Assless chaps are gay, but he wasn't lusting for Arnold Schwarzenegger while wearing them. A bondage mask would seal the deal though.
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post #28 of 60
10/7/10 at 10:16pm
Watching this again now. The flipper DVD sucks(but is widescreen), damn I wish they'd double-dip this one, if only for the new transfer and commentary.

I'm way too hard on the score. It's not really bad at all, just overdone in parts.
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post #29 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:04am
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Watch Road Warrior and Thunderdome back to back. The former's score will sound like having your ears' cock sucked.
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post #30 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:05am
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Nah that would be the original Mad Max 2 Miller originally made for domestic Australian audiences. At the very least the name, the montage of what happened to society at the beginning and the accent of the grown feral kid as the narrator should all be different.
How different?
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post #31 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:15am
I never got the impression some of Humungus' guys were former cops, I just figured they killed some MFP guys and stole their vehicles and uniforms. Is there any mention of that in the script?
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post #32 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:26am
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Dunno; read it you lazy bastard.

This guy is convinced.
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post #33 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:44am
Well maybe I WILL!

This site has some cool Mad Max-related info as well. I found it last year when looking for photos of that badass Fury Road car. http://www.madmaxmovies.com/
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post #34 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:47am
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Holy shit, I didn't know the Road Warrior blu was one of those combo-dealies with the DVD included. Hello, second blu ray purchase!
It is? Mine isn't.
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post #35 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:49am
I'm an idiot my bad. Multitasking and got confused seeing the blu Mad Max release. I was all excited for a second there. Damn.
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post #36 of 60
10/8/10 at 2:53am
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There's a goddamn Mad Max convention in SoCal this month.
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post #37 of 60
10/8/10 at 3:31am
WEZ has a boyfriend riding with him and he acts all bitchy when he gets boomeranged in the head. And the assless chaps. Where's the discussion here?

I'm not saying ALL of them were gay, but yeah. S&M party.


I just watched Mad Max and The Road Warrior back to back. It's 3.30 am. I have to work in 5 hours.
I'll post my thoughts tomorrow. Let's just say i'm a fan. Specially of The Road Warrior.
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post #38 of 60
10/8/10 at 8:56am
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WEZ has a boyfriend riding with him and he acts all bitchy when he gets boomeranged in the head. And the assless chaps. Where's the discussion here?
And when Wez flips out after they kill his boy toy, Humongous tells him "We've all lost someone we love" when he's trying to calm him down. Seemed pretty obvious.
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post #39 of 60
10/8/10 at 9:45am
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Vernon Wells wishes we didn't think that.
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post #40 of 60
10/8/10 at 9:57am
He didn't explain the ass less chaps.
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post #41 of 60
10/8/10 at 10:00am
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How different?
I've only ever grown up with the domestic version but not super different as I understand it. The narrator/grown feral kid should have an aussie accent rather than a yank one and the opening montage has more visual references to the first Mad Max.

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post #42 of 60
10/8/10 at 10:24am
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I've only ever grown up with the domestic version but not super different as I understand it. The narrator/grown feral kid should have an aussie accent rather than a yank one and the opening montage has more visual references to the first Mad Max.
Okay, I'm a little confused here, because every version of Road Warrior I've seen has exactly that.
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post #43 of 60
10/8/10 at 10:32am
Well then I'm just as confused.
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post #44 of 60
10/8/10 at 10:33am
One of my all-time favorite movies. It is the work of a demented genius, and the blu-ray is top notch. If you haven't seen this - you need to. It really is all that and a bag of chips.
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post #45 of 60
10/8/10 at 10:36am
Let me clarify that I don't have a clear memory of the theatrical viewing I had waaaaay back in the 80s, so I may have simply forgotten seeing an Americanized version after years of watching it on home video.
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post #46 of 60
10/8/10 at 11:07am
I never knew there was an Americanized version. The VHS to Mad Max, however... woo boy.
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post #47 of 60
10/8/10 at 11:16am
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And when Wez flips out after they kill his boy toy, Humongous tells him "We've all lost someone we love" when he's trying to calm him down. Seemed pretty obvious.
Yeah, I must have been 10 or 11 when I first saw this movie but even then I sensed that these dudes were not All About The Ladies (and I was a fairly stupid child. I thought Humungus was also slicing people up at Crystal Lake)

If Bennett was Wells' Freddie Mercury, I wanna know the inspiration for his Wez. Rob Halford maybe?
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post #48 of 60
10/8/10 at 11:21am
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I think Rain Dog is taking the piss, or having us on, or jerkin' a wallaby, or whatever they call it down there. American opening is identical except for the title.
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post #49 of 60
10/8/10 at 11:25am
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I never knew there was an Americanized version. The VHS to Mad Max, however... woo boy.
God, I still cringe thinking about that. "MAAAAX!!! WEEE'RE GIVIN' 'EM BACK THEIR HEEROOOOES!" Ugh.
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post #50 of 60
10/8/10 at 11:31am
Captain Fifi is the unsung Hero of Mad Max.

He looks like he was a boxer from the 1920's. A gay one.

Toecutter, gay or not gay? Nightrider = Brother or lover?
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