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No right to an attorney in Canada!

post #1 of 27
10/8/10 at 10:29pm
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http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/c...entid=25878131

This is just fucked up! I would have expected this kind of thing from the Bush administration but to have this happen in Canada is unbelievable.
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post #2 of 27
10/8/10 at 10:42pm
Stephen Harper has now been prime minister for four years with a minority government. I have no illusions about Canada being a right wing country.
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post #3 of 27
10/8/10 at 11:02pm
People like Cheney/Bush distort society as a whole, not just their own local systems.
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post #4 of 27
10/8/10 at 11:07pm
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People like Cheney/Bush distort society as a whole, not just their own local systems.
Oh fuck that. Canadians are quite capable of going hard right by themselves. The seat of power has shifted from Ontario (and to some extent Québec) to the Prairies since the tar sands become Canada golden goose egg. Canada's got plenty of rednecks, homophobes, christian extremists and just plain old people to make the shift without needing the american bogey men.
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post #5 of 27
10/10/10 at 2:47am
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Canada's got plenty of rednecks, homophobes, christian extremists and just plain old people to make the shift without needing the american bogey men.
Not to mention poll-obsessed, money-worshipping, power hungry politicians.
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post #6 of 27
10/13/10 at 10:24am
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Oh fuck that. Canadians are quite capable of going hard right by themselves. The seat of power has shifted from Ontario (and to some extent Québec) to the Prairies since the tar sands become Canada golden goose egg. Canada's got plenty of rednecks, homophobes, christian extremists and just plain old people to make the shift without needing the american bogey men.
This.
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post #7 of 27
10/13/10 at 7:38pm
Sad, but I do find some tragic form of comfort in the fact that my country is no longer alone among the first world nations of this continent when it comes to betraying our principals and belief in human rights
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post #8 of 27
10/14/10 at 4:33am
its funny cause this story has had NO play up here at all. All people are bitching about right now is the fact that we didn't get on the security council.
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post #9 of 27
10/14/10 at 4:36am
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Sad, but I do find some tragic form of comfort in the fact that my country is no longer alone among the first world nations of this continent when it comes to betraying our principals and belief in human rights
Are you familiar with a country called Mexico?
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post #10 of 27
10/14/10 at 4:42am
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Are you familiar with a country called Mexico?
I specified first world countries
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post #11 of 27
10/14/10 at 11:48am
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Sad, but I do find some tragic form of comfort in the fact that my country is no longer alone among the first world nations of this continent when it comes to betraying our principals and belief in human rights
Ok, isn't that a little too far. I mean Canada being its own country has laws that will be disagreed with.

- No Miranda rights upon being arrested (only the right to know what you being arrested for).
- Doesn't Canada give police the right to take a reporters camera and never give it back.
- Media bans on court cases.
- The crown rights to appeal a verdict.

I image quite a few people would consider those rights above as ones that the police/prosecution should not have.

I can also name cases that "betray our principals and beliefs" well before this one. The Guy Paul Morin case is a prime example.
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post #12 of 27
10/14/10 at 1:34pm
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No Miranda rights upon being arrested (only the right to know what you being arrested for).
Wait... so... if you remain silent... then what?
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post #13 of 27
10/14/10 at 1:38pm
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its funny cause this story has had NO play up here at all. All people are bitching about right now is the fact that we didn't get on the security council.
And Canada didn't deserve it. Ever since Harper got there, and didn't give a shit about Foreign Relations beside the US. That's it. Saying it,s Ignatieff's fault is even more retarded than the retarded shit the Reform Party keep saying. The UN delegates aren't juniors politicians that will take the words of the opposition of a country into account when a vote like that happens.
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post #14 of 27
10/14/10 at 2:09pm
Terrific. Now where are American progressives supposed to run away to when some fascistic teabagger gets elected president in 2012?
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post #15 of 27
10/14/10 at 2:18pm
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Wait... so... if you remain silent... then what?
Well one has the right to not be compelled to be a witness.

However the police are allowed to continue interrogating a suspect that has stated he wishes to remain silent (Jagrup Singh supreme court 5-4 ruling in 2007).

The lesson, when being interrogated by police, be silent.
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post #16 of 27
10/14/10 at 2:33pm
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Terrific. Now where are American progressives supposed to run away to when some fascistic teabagger gets elected president in 2012?
Two words: secret moon bases.
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post #17 of 27
10/14/10 at 3:33pm
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- No Miranda rights upon being arrested (only the right to know what you being arrested for).
not true. working as a security guard i had a miranda card to use if i arrested someone. most of the time we just waited for the cops because if we fucked it up then that was grounds for the guy getting off.
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post #18 of 27
10/14/10 at 3:40pm
Yeah, I had a card with the rights I was supposed to inform drunks and anti-abortionists of as well.
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post #19 of 27
10/14/10 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Jarvie View Post
not true. working as a security guard i had a miranda card to use if i arrested someone. most of the time we just waited for the cops because if we fucked it up then that was grounds for the guy getting off.
What did the card have on it?

There are three basic rights a canadian has upon being arrested

1) Right to be told what your being arrested for
2) Right to an attorney and to be informed of that right
3) to be released if the arrest is not lawful

I was trying to state that the warning is different in Canada then the US. Notice at no point is the right to remain silent nessecary to mention. Once an officer has mentioned the right to an attorney all statements made by a suspect are considered voluntary.
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post #20 of 27
10/14/10 at 5:23pm
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Terrific. Now where are American progressives supposed to run away to when some fascistic teabagger gets elected president in 2012?
Our Right-wingers are like your Left-winger.
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post #21 of 27
10/14/10 at 6:08pm
I don't know about that. Our right-wing is getting worse and worse.
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post #22 of 27
10/14/10 at 6:11pm
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Our Right-wingers are like your Left-winger.
Except they admire the American Hard Right and wish Canadians would accept that shift.
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post #23 of 27
10/14/10 at 8:08pm
And it ain't gonna happen. Maybe the fucking Prairies won't mind, but BC, Ontario and Quebec will. No clue about the Maritimes. Nor the 2 Northern shithole "provinces".

Still, fuck the Reform Party (no despite the name, they're not the Conservatives).
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post #24 of 27
10/14/10 at 10:20pm
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And it ain't gonna happen. Maybe the fucking Prairies won't mind, but BC, Ontario and Quebec will. No clue about the Maritimes. Nor the 2 Northern shithole "provinces".

Still, fuck the Reform Party (no despite the name, they're not the Conservatives).
There are a lot of right-wing rednecks in BC outside of the big cities, same for the maritimes. And we have the capital region here in Québec.
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post #25 of 27
10/15/10 at 9:27am
Those voted Conservative back then. The Reform hijacking the Conservative Party made sure anyone who voted right voted for those religious freaks.
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post #26 of 27
10/15/10 at 9:56am
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Those voted Conservative back then. The Reform hijacking the Conservative Party made sure anyone who voted right voted for those religious freaks.
Those voters could've easily rejected the new religious and bigoted platforms when the new party came into it's first elections. They didn't. Many, many canadians are closeted homophobes and racists.
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post #27 of 27
10/15/10 at 10:11am
They are, but I know some people voted "Conservative" despite having no religious/homophobic beliefs. They wanted to vote for" fiscal responsability", harsher prison terms, etc.

A lot of people vote for a party without endorsing the whole program. And without seeing the agenda the party has.
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