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RHYS IFANS TO MAKE SPIDER-MAN SUFFER

post #1 of 47
10/11/10 at 3:50pm
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Perhaps making him watch LITTLE NICKY

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post #2 of 47
10/11/10 at 3:54pm
Norman Osborn. Because Sony seem intent on simply repeating everything we've already seen.
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post #3 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:03pm
I'm still going with Electro.
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post #4 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:08pm
He's the Lizard.

For the record, Bruce Campbell would have been the perfect Mysterio.
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post #5 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:13pm
Electro would be perfect actually. Ifans looks like Max Dillon.

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For the record, Bruce Campbell would have been the perfect Mysterio.
I was positive that Campbell was going to be Quentin Beck in Spider-Man 3. I had heard that he was Beck in the first and second film doing odd jobs while trying to be an effects guy. He would have been note perfect you're right.
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post #6 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:15pm
Electro, Mysterio, or Scorpion. One of the three.
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post #7 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:17pm
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Norman Osborn. Because Sony seem intent on simply repeating everything we've already seen.
What gives you that idea?

I don't get that vibe at all.
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post #8 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:19pm
Gotta be Electro or Vulture.
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post #9 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:21pm
How Ironic would it be if he is The Vulture?
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post #10 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:21pm
Yeah, Electro was the immediate impulse when I read the headline. And I don't know why. Any character but Carnage, please.
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post #11 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:25pm
He's Aunt May. He's British, he can do panto.
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post #12 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:33pm
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Any character but Carnage, please.
Hmm....Carnage is Irish. Ifans is Welsh. Could be...
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post #13 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:49pm
He is supposed to be very good as Howard Marks as well. As for this film I suspect Electro is the right answer.
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post #14 of 47
10/11/10 at 4:58pm
Between this and a role in the upcoming Harry Potter movie, Rhys might just be on pace to become a big enough name for some juicy roles in the future. I like it!

He was awesome in the underrated The Replacements
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post #15 of 47
10/11/10 at 5:06pm
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Gotta be Electro or Vulture.
Thinking the same thing.
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post #16 of 47
10/11/10 at 5:09pm
If he ends up as the Vulture, I want to be on record as saying that Rhys is a better choice for the role than John Malkovich.

Malkovich is an amazing actor, nut I never liked the idea of him being the Vulture in Raimi's Spider-Man 4
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post #17 of 47
10/11/10 at 5:26pm
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Malkovich is an amazing actor, nut I never liked the idea of him being the Vulture in Raimi's Spider-Man 4
Agreed. They should have gone back to Ben Kingsley.
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post #18 of 47
10/11/10 at 5:29pm
I hope he plays it with a Welsh accent, no matter who he is, that would be awesome.

I do really like the casting so far, they've gone for actual, decent actors and I hope it continues. However there is no way they can get anyone more perfect than J.K Simmons for Jameson, how are they going to top that?
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post #19 of 47
10/11/10 at 5:36pm
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Agreed. They should have gone back to Ben Kingsley.
I very much agree!

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I hope he plays it with a Welsh accent, no matter who he is, that would be awesome.

I do really like the casting so far, they've gone for actual, decent actors and I hope it continues. However there is no way they can get anyone more perfect than J.K Simmons for Jameson, how are they going to top that?
Maybe they will pull a Judi Dench in Casino Royal and not recast the part.
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post #20 of 47
10/11/10 at 5:48pm
He's the Scorpion I suspect. He's has that working class cocky psycho thing down pat.
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post #21 of 47
10/11/10 at 5:53pm
Lizard toys will fly off the shelf far faster than Vulture and Electro toys me thinks. They've shifted this to a college setting since those initial reports of it being a high school love triangle, correct?

Connors. A slow gradual transformation over the course of the film will allow them to concentrate on the love triangle aspect for most of its running time until the big third act special effects finale.
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post #22 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:00pm
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Lizard toys will fly off the shelf far faster than Vulture and Electro toys me thinks. They've shifted this to a college setting since those initial reports of it being a high school love triangle, correct?

Connors. A slow gradual transformation over the course of the film will allow them to concentrate on the love triangle aspect for most of its running time until the big third act special effects finale.
Hasn't Sony been really anti-Lizard in the past? I seem to recall rumors of Raimi wanting to use him and the studio balking at utilizing an all-CG monster. Given the reduced budget of this flick would Lizard really be a feasible option?
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post #23 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:05pm
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Hasn't Sony been really anti-Lizard in the past? I seem to recall rumors of Raimi wanting to use him and the studio balking at utilizing an all-CG monster. Given the reduced budget of this flick would Lizard really be a feasible option?
I never bought the anti-Lizard thing from Sony. Raimi always wanted Vulture. A third act cg monster reveal isn't going to cost that much. I'm suspecting this is going to be far more character centric romance than even Raimi's films were, and then Spidey and the villain fight at the end for the kids. Not saying that negatively. I'm interested in what they have planned here.
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post #24 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:31pm
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I never bought the anti-Lizard thing from Sony. Raimi always wanted Vulture. A third act cg monster reveal isn't going to cost that much. I'm suspecting this is going to be far more character centric romance than even Raimi's films were, and then Spidey and the villain fight at the end for the kids. Not saying that negatively. I'm interested in what they have planned here.
Raimi clearly was always keen to do the Lizard. You don't cast an actual actor in the role of Dr. Curt Conners for 3 films with out wanting to use him as a villain. I remember reports before Spider-Man 2 AND 3 saying Raimi initially wanted to use The Lizard. It was only the supposed 4th fil where he had his mind set on the Vulture from the get go (again according to reports).

I can see the Lizard angle happening, but I don't by any means think it is a sure thing. I have been guessing the film will focus on gangsters and crime families that use super powered thugs (Rhino, Scorpion, Electro). A concept that can keep the focus small at first and ramp up by the finale, much like your Lizard idea.
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post #25 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:32pm
He'll probably just be the dude that shoots Uncle Ben. They're starting from scratch, right?
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post #26 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:35pm
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Raimi clearly was always keen to do the Lizard. You don't cast an actual actor in the role of Dr. Curt Conners for 3 films with out wanting to use him as a villain. I remember reports before Spider-Man 2 AND 3 saying Raimi initially wanted to use The Lizard. It was only the supposed 4th fil where he had his mind set on the Vulture from the get go (again according to reports).
Sandman and Vulture was originally up to bat for the third film. The making of book confirms that. Since he was pushing Vulture again for the fourth, I think it is safe to say that he never intended to make a film with Lizard as the villain, though that doesn't mean he didn't intend for someone else to do so somewhere down the road.
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post #27 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:37pm
Interesting choice. With the exception of Topher Grace, I've liked the casting of villains in Sony's adaptations of Spiderman, and Ifans is almost as interesting a selection as Willem Dafoe was for Goblin. Can't wait to see who he will be portraying here.
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post #28 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:39pm
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He'll probably just be the dude that shoots Uncle Ben. They're starting from scratch, right?
No one knows exactly how much of a reboot this film is going to end up being. My best guess is that the college age time frame indicates that when the movie starts Spider-Man will already "exist" but will still be a mysterious, new entity for New York. But again, that is just my best guess.

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Sandman and Vulture was originally up to bat for the third film. The making of book confirms that. Since he was pushing Vulture again for the fourth, I think it is safe to say that he never intended to make a film with Lizard as the villain, though that doesn't mean he didn't intend for someone to do so with the fifth film.
I have no source to draw from right now, but I will look it up... but I remember all the way back to post Spider-Man 1 days that the reason Raimi used Dr. Curt Conners (and had him played by Dylan Baker) was to use him as a villain, and he put him into the first film because it would allow some increased emotional impact when it finally happened.

EDIT TO CORRECT MY FACTUAL ERROR:
He didn't put him into the first film, he put him into the second film. I do still recall in the years between Spider-Man 1 and 2 that Raimi teased and discussed the idea of the Lizard, but as has been proven, my memory can be flawed.
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post #29 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:42pm
Dylan Baker wasn't in the first film. The character was only briefly name-dropped.
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post #30 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:46pm
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I have no source to draw from right now, but I will look it up... but I remember all the way back to post Spider-Man 1 days that the reason Raimi used Dr. Curt Conners (and had him played by Dylan Baker) was to use him as a villain, and he put him into the first film because it would allow some increased emotional impact when it finally happened.
And yet he never got around to doing so in 4 films. I include the aborted fourth Raimi film since we already know that Vulture, and not the lizard, was set to be the baddy.

Sorry, but I don't buy that the company and producers that pushed an alien oil slick onto Raimi preferred an old guy in a vulture suit over a merchandising friendly cg lizard monster.

If Raimi wanted to showcase Lizard, then he had ample opportunity to do so.
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post #31 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:47pm
The Lizard will be the guy that kills Uncle Ben, but we won't find that out until the third film of this new series when they exhume Ben Parker's body and the examiner exclaims: "My God, that's not a bullet lodged in his heart! It's a tooth!"
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post #32 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:50pm
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The Lizard will be the guy that kills Uncle Ben, but we won't find that out until the third film of this new series when they exhume Ben Parker's body and the examiner exclaims: "My God, that's not a bullet lodged in his heart! It's a tooth!"
Replace "The Lizard" with "The Spot" and "tooth" with "portable space warp" and you can put me down for 10 tickets.
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post #33 of 47
10/11/10 at 6:53pm
Maybe we'll finally see Jack O'Lantern!
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post #34 of 47
10/11/10 at 7:01pm
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Hmm....Carnage is Irish. Ifans is Welsh. Could be...
What's the deal here... you tryin' to say we Celts are all the same, Mike?

This is definitely interesting casting. Not a guy I'd have even thought would be on the list (in the best kind of way.) I'm not really fussed who he plays as long as he brings the goods. It wouldn't be the first time a superhero film picked a villain I wouldn't have and turned a positive result. In fact, I quite like the surprise element.
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post #35 of 47
10/11/10 at 7:12pm
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Dylan Baker wasn't in the first film. The character was only briefly name-dropped.
Wow, you are right. Never mind the stuff about using him in the first film because I was wrong on that.

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And yet he never got around to doing so in 4 films. I include the aborted fourth Raimi film since we already know that Vulture, and not the lizard, was set to be the baddy.

Sorry, but I don't buy that the company and producers that pushed an alien oil slick onto Raimi preferred an old guy in a vulture suit over a merchandising friendly cg lizard monster.

If Raimi wanted to showcase Lizard, then he had ample opportunity to do so.
Well I am not the only person who recalls reports that the Studio has balked at the concept of the Lizard as the Villain for some time now. I am not in a position to research this out and supply evidence to back my side, so I will have to do that later.

Either way, I don't think the Rhys will be the Lizard, he might not even be a super powered bad guy at all.
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post #36 of 47
10/11/10 at 7:25pm
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Well I am not the only person who recalls reports that the Studio has balked at the concept of the Lizard as the Villain for some time now. I am not in a position to research this out and supply evidence to back my side, so I will have to do that later.

Will you be doing this research on the internet? Because you are on the internet.

Thing is, I know you'll be able to find the reports of Sony not wanting Lizard because I remember reading them as well. But a studio saying one thing and the complete opposite being the actual truth...not unheard of. Raimi pushed for Vulture and lost the gig. But you're right that it could be the Goblin again for anyone knows. Truth is, we got a good Spider-Man film, a great one and an okay one. Cool. I'm only typing in here cuz I'm flipping back and forth between work and the forums. Not because I really care if we're getting a Welsh Lizard in another comic book movie.
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post #37 of 47
10/11/10 at 7:42pm
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Will you be doing this research on the internet? Because you are on the internet.

Thing is, I know you'll be able to find the reports of Sony not wanting Lizard because I remember reading them as well. But a studio saying one thing and and the complete opposite being the truth...not unheard of. Raimi pushed for Vulture and lost the gig. But you're right that it could be the Goblin again for anyone knows. Truth is, we got a good Spider-Man film, a great one and an okay one. Cool. I'm only typing in here cuz I'm flipping back and forth between work and the forums. Not because I really care if we're getting a Welsh Lizard in another comic book movie.
Well I am on the internet... but I am not at home where I can spend 30 minutes mining Google for 30 minutes to find internet reports from 5,6,7 years ago.

I understand your point that you can't trust the studio's word in internet reports all the time. I just don't think Raimi NEVER intended on doing the Lizard... it seems right no his wheel house, and he did lay the groundwork so fully.
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post #38 of 47
10/12/10 at 12:22am
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I do really like the casting so far, they've gone for actual, decent actors and I hope it continues. However there is no way they can get anyone more perfect than J.K Simmons for Jameson, how are they going to top that?


Dennis Farina would have made (and still could make) an excellent Jameson. I like Simmons' portrayal as much as the next guy, but Farina could equal it, especially if they decide to downplay the comedic aspects of the character and focus more on the "old-school newspaperman" angle.
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post #39 of 47
10/12/10 at 2:58pm
That's brilliant, Sherman. I'd have no problem with Simmons pulling a Dench on this sucker, but Farina would be a great choice.
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post #40 of 47
10/12/10 at 4:14pm
Not sure what villain Rhys Ifans can portray in the reboot, but I think he might make a good Eddie Brock/Venom. Maybe they can do Venom justice this time instead of the hack job Raimi did in Spider-man 3.
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post #41 of 47
10/12/10 at 4:44pm
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HA! Back before we all got to see how great JK Simmons was in the role, I always though Farina would've been perfect for the part. Mostly because he looked a LOT like the Jameson I knew from watching the 90s Fox cartoon...
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post #42 of 47
10/12/10 at 10:14pm
Yeah, his appearance is the obvious starting point, but Farina can do cantankerous/principled/threatening in his sleep. Much like Patrick Stewart as Professor X, it's almost the role he was born to play.
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post #43 of 47
10/12/10 at 10:30pm
The problem with Farina is he doesn't really look like that anymore.

He is older now and his look has shifted away from that classic JJ vibe.
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post #44 of 47
10/13/10 at 2:04am
Marc Webb said Ifans has the ability to go from "warmth to rage" that is needed for the villain, which is why most people are betting it's The Lizard.

And I just want to repeat that they should do a Casino Royale and Judi Dench the J. Jonah Jameson role with Simmons. They should absolutely do that.
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post #45 of 47
10/13/10 at 2:58am
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Marc Webb said Ifans has the ability to go from "warmth to rage" that is needed for the villain, which is why most people are betting it's The Lizard.
Yeah, Lizard is definitely the obvious choice given what we know.

Personally, I'm just really hoping that Ifans will deliver an...ELECTROfying performance in Mark Webb's...Spider-Man!
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post #46 of 47
10/13/10 at 3:22am
Discovered a new gripe about Spider-Man 3: JJJ doesn't seem to hold anything at all against Peter for stealing his son's fiancee and leaving him at the altar in the previous film. CONTINUITY RAPE
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post #47 of 47
10/13/10 at 3:27am
He was clearly more concerned with getting the money back for the caviar!

EDIT: Also, I don't think JJ was too crushed over losing MJ as a daughter-in-law. Something about the face he makes when he realizes she's pulled a Runaway Bride on his son looks like he's saying, "I thought so..."

Do we ever know for sure that JJ would even care who Peter is going out with?

I'm looking for all KINDS of excuses up in here!
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