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post #1 of 23
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Because somebody mentioned it and I thought it sounded like a great idea.

Carlito's Way - This is probably my second favorite De Palma, after Blow Out. It'd make a fantastic triple feature with Prince of the City and American Gangster. I was a big anti-De Palma guy on the boards for a while, but this film, yet again, proves what a fool I was. Pacino is so good here, as is Penn. It's one of the great late-period Pacino performances, and I like the poor man's Michelle Pfeiffer, Penelope Ann Miller.* That end set piece (even though I recognized the profile when the film started) is better than the train sequence from The Untouchables, and I really liked the film's use of voice over.

Barton Fink - Eh. I liked parts of it, but overall, it felt more like an exercise than anything. Considering that's how the project got started (while the Coens were writing Miller's Crossing, a far superior film), I can see how Barton is everything the Coens were going through at that time. I liked Goodman a great deal, and I thought the visuals were stunning, but this is one that I appreciated on a technical level rather than really connecting with. As a fan of Lynch and Mulholland Drive, I am all about the "What's it all about, Alfie?" school of filmmaking, but I didn't feel like this film challenged me enough to make me want to think about it further. The Coens have done far better.

*She's Carmine Sabitini's daughter Tina.
post #2 of 23
For shaaaaame. They've made some fantastic movies since, but Fink remains my favourite Coen Bros film.
post #3 of 23
In terms of their more over the top films, I think Barton Fink is easily their best. There's more thematic complexity there, the ideas are seemingly disparate, but all super focused, in the tale of this struggling writer living his Hollywood nightmare.
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I can't think of a single scene in Barton Fink that isn't completely brilliant. Except for maybe the restaurant scene in the beginning, which is necessary for exposition. It's not Mulholland Drive. It's a film that gets more surreal towards the end, but it doesn't really have any interest in figuring out WHAT'S IN THE BOOOOOHHHHX.

I understand it not connecting with you, but "eh" is the wrong word to use. Fact.
post #5 of 23
Barton Fink is fantastic.

Agree with you on Carlito's Way. I'm not sure I can rank Carlito past Carrie or Sisters (which I have a soft spot for), but it does feature my favorite Sean Penn performance.

EDIT: In keeping with the thread's theme, I recently saw Zero Effect for the first time. So glad I did. Bill Pullman is incredible.
post #6 of 23
Carlito's Way has grown on me considerably.

The entire sequence of events that lead to Sean Penn's comeuppance is great storytelling. The payoff, with Pacino dumping the bullets into the trash - cut to the look on Penn's face... Just tremendous.

I can see Barton Fink leaving some people cold. But, as has been mentioned, the Coens were more interested in exploring ideas than entertaining an audience. They do manage to do both. But you have to be on the wavelength.
post #7 of 23
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EDIT: In keeping with the thread's theme, I recently saw Zero Effect for the first time. So glad I did. Bill Pullman is incredible.
I quite adore this film, even though I've only seen it once. Pullman's a terribly underrated actor, and this was back when Ben Stiller was taking interesting roles. It's a shame Jake Kasdan turned out to be such a shitty director. Like father, like son, I guess.

Keep in mind that I am one of the few people that count Hudsucker Proxy among their favorite Coens (for years it was the only one of theirs I was allowed to see, so I watched it quite a bit), so maybe Barton just didn't connect with me. Keep in mind that I'm not saying it's a bad movie -- because it isn't -- but it's one where I went into it with high expectations that I didn't feel were met. It's definitely a film that I'd be interested in reading a little bit more on. And I forgot to mention that I loved John Mahoney's Faulkner riff. Good stuff there.

A film that I had seen before (see "watched it a lot when I was younger"), but hadn't seen in years until this past weekend was The Fifth Element. Plot-wise, the film makes no sense, but it's bright, colorful, fun, and it has more going on visually than most summer blockbusters being made today. It's one where it's clear Besson was just given a fuckton of money and allowed to pursue his vision. I got to give it props to that -- and the girlfriend, who is a big fan, pointed out that Oldman was doing W. before we even knew who W. was. Also, "Leelo Dallas multipass."
post #8 of 23
For years, whenever somebody asks about underrated movies, my stock suggestions are Exotica and Zero Effect.
post #9 of 23
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Keep in mind that I am one of the few people that count Hudsucker Proxy among their favorite Coens
I think it's one of their best films as well. It's an homage to the films of the 30s and 40s, and they do a great job in capturing that whimsical spirit. Great fun, and one of the few times where I can tolerate Tim Robbins.

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A film that I had seen before (see "watched it a lot when I was younger"), but hadn't seen in years until this past weekend was The Fifth Element. Plot-wise, the film makes no sense, but it's bright, colorful, fun, and it has more going on visually than most summer blockbusters being made today. It's one where it's clear Besson was just given a fuckton of money and allowed to pursue his vision. I got to give it props to that -- and the girlfriend, who is a big fan, pointed out that Oldman was doing W. before we even knew who W. was. Also, "Leelo Dallas multipass."
I saw this in the theater and a couple of times on video. I honestly can't understand how ANYONE can be a fan of this thing. It's excrutiating to sit through...visual and auditory vomit that absolutely will not stop until the credits roll.
post #10 of 23
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I quite adore this film, even though I've only seen it once. Pullman's a terribly underrated actor, and this was back when Ben Stiller was taking interesting roles. It's a shame Jake Kasdan turned out to be such a shitty director. Like father, like son, I guess.
I frankly can't remember the central mystery of the story, but Pullman and Stiller are both excellent.

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Keep in mind that I am one of the few people that count Hudsucker Proxy among their favorite Coens (for years it was the only one of theirs I was allowed to see, so I watched it quite a bit), so maybe Barton just didn't connect with me. Keep in mind that I'm not saying it's a bad movie -- because it isn't -- but it's one where I went into it with high expectations that I didn't feel were met. It's definitely a film that I'd be interested in reading a little bit more on. And I forgot to mention that I loved John Mahoney's Faulkner riff. Good stuff there.
I think like many of their films ("Man Who Wasn't There" for me), it's a grower that will only improve upon rewatch. Barton Fink might be their most esoteric work (save for maybe A Serious Man, which I prefer), so I can understand if a first-time viewing would leave you cold.

Mahoney's terrific, and I also enjoy Lerner as the studio mogul.
post #11 of 23
Try watching Fifth Element as a drinking game, Judas. Drink a shot each time she says Leelo, Dallas or multipass.
post #12 of 23
Perhaps we should start these threads for the other Decade drafts?
post #13 of 23
The Butcher Boy was the movie I drafted that no one has seen, and it's a really good time. It's a golden nostalgic coming of age story for a serial killer. But the movie everyone needs to see from this draft is Mother Night. Check it out.
post #14 of 23
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The Butcher Boy was the movie I drafted that no one has seen, and it's a really good time. It's a golden nostalgic coming of age story for a serial killer. But the movie everyone needs to see from this draft is Mother Night. Check it out.
I picked that off the shelf at Blockbuster at a time when I was too young to get it (Because of the cool cover with the pig head). If I had thought of it I might have picked it up for my theme though.

I was surprised that not a lot of people have seen The Comfort of Strangers. It's a pretty solid movie that uses Walken to a strange perfection.
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
I forgot about one of my favorite parts of Carlito's Way: the soundtrack. I'm a disco fan, so I liked that it was almost wall-to-wall dance music, but Patrick Doyle's score was awesome and I dug how De Palma used some of those dance tunes in creative ways. I'm thinking about the use of "Backstabbers" when Viggo shows up.
post #16 of 23
Due to Anderson's bonus round pick I'm watching Julie Taymor's Titus. I have seen it before, but not in years. What a sumptuous visual film. It is not perfect, but when it works it works incredibly well, and there is always something beautiful about the film, whether it be the score (It's either inspired by jazz or Orff at any given moment . . . wut?) the acting, the costume and production design or just the composition of the film, it's continuously gorgeous. For such a brutal film, that's quite a feat.
post #17 of 23
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The girlfriend is a big Titus fan, and she decided it would be a great idea to start watching it late one night. I didn't get too far with it, but here's my review:

What the fuck is this motherfucking crazy movie? Harry Lennix is great, though.
post #18 of 23
Yeah, he is. He makes breaking the fourth wall so cool.
post #19 of 23
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Barton Fink is fantastic.

Agree with you on Carlito's Way. I'm not sure I can rank Carlito past Carrie or Sisters (which I have a soft spot for), but it does feature my favorite Sean Penn performance.

EDIT: In keeping with the thread's theme, I recently saw Zero Effect for the first time. So glad I did. Bill Pullman is incredible.
The Zero Effect is awesome. Beat me to it. I want a proper DVD!
post #20 of 23
So I finally got around Miami Blues. Great one! I now understand the Kirby pick.
post #21 of 23
It's wonderful.

I've always found it strange that with the combined punch of that and Hunt For Red October, Baldwin couldn't sustain his momentum. He made shitty choices, yes. But those two movies together are about as potent a star-maker as you'd be likely to have.

I like that he matured into a fantastic character actor. But his career could have gone places that it unfortunately didn't.

Much as I like Patriot Games, I've always preferred Baldwin's take on Jack Ryan and would have enjoyed the movie even more with him in it.
post #22 of 23
Gore Verbinski's The Mexican and Mouse Hunt.

The Mexican is just a great little crime comedy with a very funny performance by Brad Pitt as a not very smart criminal and a great B-Plot with James Gandolfini and Julia Roberts. I recommend it to everyone. It's no frills, just very well-made and feels like it could fit comfortably in the world of Justified, Out of Sight, Jackie Brown, and Get Shorty.

Mouse Hunt is a great modern screwball comedy. It just keeps escalating until you think the brothers might just nuke the house to kill the mouse. Fantastic Christopher Walken cameo.

Edit: Just realized The Mexican is from 2001. Will write about it in the other thread.
post #23 of 23
LOVE Mouse Hunt. It's as close as you'll ever get to a live-action Chuck Jones cartoon. Lane and Evans have such great chemistry.
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