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post #1 of 67
10/13/10 at 8:40pm
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post #2 of 67
10/13/10 at 8:44pm
What is that 'roided out image on your article, lady? Ditko like dis:



And (hopefully) that kills the Killer Crock of Shit Batman 3 rumor...
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post #3 of 67
10/13/10 at 8:50pm
Dylan Baker got robbed! Poor guy. Looking forward to the Lizard though.
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post #4 of 67
10/13/10 at 8:52pm
While I couldn't really care less about this new Spidey film, I really like Ifans and have done ever since Twin Town (a film I unashamedly enjoy in all it's twee kitsch twistedness). This is a great turn for his career and he'll be a pretty fucking great Lizard I reckon.
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post #5 of 67
10/13/10 at 8:54pm
2012 will feature:

Little green men in Battleship and Men in Black III, The Lizard in Spider-Man (2012), The Hulk and (maybe) Skrulls in The Avengers, Killer Croc (again, maybe) in Batman 3, Tars Tarkas in John Carter of Mars, Gorns in Star Trek 2, and a friggin' Godzilla movie.

"Green is in", no?
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post #6 of 67
10/13/10 at 8:57pm
I bet he's all emo and brown and shit
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post #7 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:05pm
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I bet he's all emo and brown and shit
Emo Lizard is emotional.
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post #8 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:10pm
Great character for a first installment. Too bad if they tie his origin to Parker. We won't only get a full transformation until the third act, right?
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post #9 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:12pm
Wow, not the direction I expected this film to take, but an interesting one none the less.

Kudos goes to all you guys who called it back when Ifans was announced.
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post #10 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:14pm
It's such a weird set of developments. They got rid of Raimi and then went on to make good decisions at every turn. Seems like this was closer to the comics bullshit reset buttons than anything creative. They could have easily made this Spider-Man 4 (which this is absolutely going to seem like to casual moviegoers); feels like they just got tired of the Peter MJ soap opera.
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post #11 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:16pm
As I told ya three days ago, Ifans is Lizard. OWNAGE

Today, I don't want to be Dylan Baker.
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post #12 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
It's such a weird set of developments. They got rid of Raimi and then went on to make good decisions at every turn. Seems like this was closer to the comics bullshit reset buttons than anything creative. They could have easily made this Spider-Man 4 (which this is absolutely going to seem like to casual moviegoers); feels like they just got tired of the Peter MJ soap opera.
I really like this turn of events for the reboot. Now if we can avoid a retelling of the origin this film might actually be pretty awesome.

I love the concept of a Gwen Stacy relationship, I love the concept of college age Spider-Man (the best era for the character IMO) and I love the casting. So far I might even be more excited for this then a Raimi Spider-Man 4.
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post #13 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:22pm
I'm not afraid to take a shit right on this news and say: Man, sucks to have the character built up over three movies only to have the series get rebooted and the character re-cast as someone else. Lame. At the same time, yeah, it's Ifhans, he'll probably be great-- but what a kick in the balls to the set-up for Connors done over Raimi's films.
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post #14 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:22pm
I'm not a fan of the Raimi films at all and every piece of news I hear about this new film makes me more and more excited. My only connection to the Spider Man character is the early 90's cartoon series I used to watch as a little kid, but even after becoming a fan of Raimi's Evil Dead films I could never get on board with his take on the material or the cast he assembled. I loved Garfield in Red Riding 1974 and thought he was pretty great in Social Network and Never Let Me Go, and I think he's going to be a really terrific Peter Parker, combining that with Emma Stone who I enjoyed in Superbad and Zombieland, and Rhys Ifans who've I've always been a fan of playing one of my favorite villains from the cartoon, I think this is actually going to be pretty great and I don't get the preemptive hate. The only unknown quality for me is Marc Webb as I've yet to see 500 Days of Summer, but he seems to be making all the right calls. This is the rare superhero movie I'm looking forward to.
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post #15 of 67
10/13/10 at 9:27pm
What a difference a year makes...

In October 2009 the prospect of a Raimi-less psuedo reboot of Spider-Man and another X-Men prequel would have been looked on as blights on the film schedule. Now after both studios put talented filmmakers/actors into the mix these might represent 2 of my most anticipated Super Hero movies in the coming years.
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post #16 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:05pm
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Originally Posted by agracru View Post
sucks to have the character built up over three movies
Bit of an overstatement? They mention him in one line of dialague in the first film, and he has two small scenes in the second film, and only one in the third. He was built up in our minds (guilty), but really nowhere else. It's almost like saying they were building up to Man-Wolf in Spider-Man 4.
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post #17 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
They could have easily made this Spider-Man 4 (which this is absolutely going to seem like to casual moviegoers); feels like they just got tired of the Peter MJ soap opera.
I will add the disdain from the two leads to be into those movies and the increasing budget.
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post #18 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:18pm
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Originally Posted by BTSMGL View Post
and a friggin' Godzilla movie.

"Green is in", no?
Godzilla isn't green, he's dark grey! [/nitpicky nerd mode]

I have very little emotional investment in this but I like everyone they're casting so I'm tentatively thinking maybe it will actually turn out okay.
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post #19 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:19pm
God, I get so fucking pissed off at the bitching and moaning over "Poor Raimi, never got to use the Lizard" bullshit. He was going to use Vulture in SM 4 and by all indications, he had no plans on ever using the character on film. Yeah, including Dylan Baker as Connors was a nice "wink wink nudge nudge" to the fanboys, but it was never going to happen. Come the fuck on, people. Apparently Sony is not afraid of a villain "without a face." I'm sorry, but the fact that Sony is keen on getting Lizard on the big screen should (in a world without morons) stop the "Poor Raimi" horseshit. Raimi didn't "get to" use him because he didn't want to.
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post #20 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:30pm
I am looking forward to...Spider-Man vs The Lizard! I fully expect...Spider-Man (2012), to be the...Best of the films about...The Wallcrawler!
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post #21 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:32pm
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What is that 'roided out image on your article, lady? Ditko like dis:
Blame Google Image. I typed in "Spider-Man Fighting Lizard" and took the first one that came up.

Lizard was kind of a cute little critter back in the day, wasn't he?
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post #22 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:34pm
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While I couldn't really care less about this new Spidey film, I really like Ifans and have done ever since Twin Town (a film I unashamedly enjoy in all it's twee kitsch twistedness). This is a great turn for his career and he'll be a pretty fucking great Lizard I reckon.
Twin Town is hilariously twisted. It's the one movie I always point to as proof that Dougray Scott truly should have been a contender. "But I want ta watch Serpico...."

If you told me back in the day Ifans would be the castmember who became a really recognizable star, I'd have called bullshit.
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post #23 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by Elisabeth Rappe View Post
Blame Google Image. I typed in "Spider-Man Fighting Lizard" and took the first one that came up.

Lizard was kind of a cute little critter back in the day, wasn't he?
What's funny is The Lizard was the first Spider-Man "villain/victim" type that Raimi turned Norman Osborn, Otto Octavius and Flint Marko into for his films. This was the original villain that actually fit the mold Raimi seemed so hellbent on using for his villains.
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post #24 of 67
10/13/10 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by Elisabeth Rappe View Post
Twin Town is hilariously twisted. It's the one movie I always point to as proof that Dougray Scott truly should have been a contender. "But I want ta watch Serpico...."

If you told me back in the day Ifans would be the castmember who became a really recognizable star, I'd have called bullshit.
I've always thought of it in terms of 'Twin Town is to Trainspotting what Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead was to Pulp Fiction'; that is, the only one of many films to come out in the wake of a very popular original movie considered to be one of its many copycats that's not only actually worth a damn, but a great little movie in its own right.

If that makes sense.

...and to be honest Ifans was always my favourite thing in it by a long shot - but Scott was pretty fantastically slimy ("I'm on mah fookin way")
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post #25 of 67
10/13/10 at 11:14pm
I hope when Spidey corners the Lizard... after a killing spree... the Lizard says... "It wasn't me... It was the one armed man." [/fleed]
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post #26 of 67
10/13/10 at 11:50pm
Dan beat me to the "Godzilla isn't green" Marvel No-Prize. I will have my vengeance.

I'm a little surprised that we haven't heard a ruling from on high concerning the nature of Peter's web shooters (Ooh, that sounded pornographic). That was such a big point of contention in the warmup to Raimi's run. Personally, I've never liked the mechanical ones. If you're going to magically give a guy spider powers, go all the way.
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post #27 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:02am
Greg David, Definitely, there should be...Web-Shooters. That alone will be a step up from the... Sam Raimi Spider-Man Films. Part of the brilliance of, Peter Parker is that he is...Brilliant. I never liked how, Sam Raimi said that, Parker would be working at 3M, if he could design his own tech. Parker didn't want to reveal his identity, and this is why he remains with less money than he could have.
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post #28 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:07am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Dan beat me to the "Godzilla isn't green" Marvel No-Prize. I will have my vengeance.

I'm a little surprised that we haven't heard a ruling from on high concerning the nature of Peter's web shooters (Ooh, that sounded pornographic). That was such a big point of contention in the warmup to Raimi's run. Personally, I've never liked the mechanical ones. If you're going to magically give a guy spider powers, go all the way.
I actually agree with Raimi's point about the web shooters. In the context of a comic it's believable that Parker is this science nerd that invents web shooters and commiserates with Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

But to put that up on the screen, the audience would be wondering, 'Wait why is this scientific/engineering super genius not richer than Bill Gates? He doesn't even NEED spider powers.'
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post #29 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Dan beat me to the "Godzilla isn't green" Marvel No-Prize. I will have my vengeance.

I'm a little surprised that we haven't heard a ruling from on high concerning the nature of Peter's web shooters (Ooh, that sounded pornographic). That was such a big point of contention in the warmup to Raimi's run. Personally, I've never liked the mechanical ones. If you're going to magically give a guy spider powers, go all the way.
Agreed. But if they REALLY want to go all the way they should follow VENTURE BROS' lead and have the web come out (near) his ass
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post #30 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Tremaine
I actually agree with Raimi's point about the web shooters. In the context of a comic it's believable that Parker is this science nerd that invents web shooters and commiserates with Reed Richards and Tony Stark.

But to put that up on the screen, the audience would be wondering, 'Wait why is this scientific/engineering super genius not richer than Bill Gates? He doesn't even NEED spider powers.'
Yes, exactly. That's always been my problem with it, and I don't think it even works in the comics. There's no reason on god's green earth for him to be a poor, struggling newspaper photographer. In fact, with his godlike skills in biochemistry, and his motivation to help people, it makes no sense not to pursue a career in it. He might have cured cancer by now. That beats the shit out of pulling people from burning buildings.
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post #31 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:12am
Johnny Tremaine, Parker doesn't want to reveal his...Identity. That is why, he is not rich like Bill Gates. He doesn't want to endanger anyone he knows and loves. He also feels guilty, about letting the bad guy escape from police. That guy would...Murder, Ben Parker, and he, Ben's nephew was concerned about himself, more, than doing the right thing.
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post #32 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:14am
Greg David, But if Parker didn't become...Spider-Man, it wouldn't be that interesting a comic. It is definitely time to...One Up Sam Raimi, and give Parker his Mechanical Web Shooters.
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post #33 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Yes, exactly. That's always been my problem with it, and I don't think it even works in the comics. There's no reason on god's green earth for him to be a poor, struggling newspaper photographer. In fact, with his godlike skills in biochemistry, and his motivation to help people, it makes no sense not to pursue a career in it. He might have cured cancer by now. That beats the shit out of pulling people from burning buildings.
I actually liked what Cameron's screenplay did with that concept and played with it; he gave Parker organic web shooters, but out of Peter not wanting to look like a freak, he placed TV-show-Spidey type mechanical seeming bracelets shooters on his wrists.

At the end, there's the pivotal scene where Electro has Spidey at his mercy and rips off the bracelets to show him that they're both alike, freaks of nature.
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post #34 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:22am
Dylan Baker is off getting drunk with Billy Dee Williams and Paul McGann. They're keeping a barstool warm for Daniel Craig.
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post #35 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:26am
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They're keeping a barstool warm for Daniel Craig.
OT, but that's the one that's really a pity. One of the best Bonds since Connery, and he gets one great movie and one 'meh'-ish one.

By the time MGM works out their finances, or they sell off the character, we're looking at possibly almost a decade before another re-booted Bond flick.
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post #36 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:52am
I was really hoping to see The Lizard in this movie, so this is great news.
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post #37 of 67
10/14/10 at 12:56am
I'm with Fleed. By the time Peter realized just how smart he was, it was too late. He was already Spider-Man. The young man probably didn't realize how smart he was when he created the web shooters. What he did realize was that it was his responsibility to keep the rest of the people he loved safe by keeping his identity secret. Could he do both? Probably (definately), but the first lesson he learned early with the wrestling (trying to get easy money) and the robber and Uncle Ben set him off that path. My take anyway.
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post #38 of 67
10/14/10 at 3:48am
It's a tad amusing that just two hours after a major Batman 3 casting announcement breaks, this news hits the web*. Was Sony worried that Nolan's flick was taking the buzz away from their Rhys Ifans casting announcement? Or was it all just coincidence?

*Yes, I realize The Wrap broke the story but, if Devin is to be believed, it's been known by some film bloggers since Monday. Why choose today to break it? Especially after Sony kept the Thomas Haden Church as Sandman reveal a secret for months.
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post #39 of 67
10/14/10 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by Episode29 View Post
It's a tad amusing that just two hours after a major Batman 3 casting announcement breaks, this news hits the web*. Was Sony worried that Nolan's flick was taking the buzz away from their Rhys Ifans casting announcement? Or was it all just coincidence?

*Yes, I realize The Wrap broke the story but, if Devin is to be believed, it's been known by some film bloggers since Monday. Why choose today to break it? Especially after Sony kept the Thomas Haden Church as Sandman reveal a secret for months.
And yet someone in the comments is STILL bitching we ran the story.

Apparently back in the good old days, no one would have, but this punk ass Rappe comes in and bam! No standards....

But yes, plenty of film bloggers were commenting that the old Marvel/DC rivalry still seems to hold. Whenever one side makes an announcement, the other does too. Big or small. It's kinda cute.
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post #40 of 67
10/14/10 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Teitr Styrr View Post
I'm with Fleed. By the time Peter realized just how smart he was, it was too late. He was already Spider-Man. The young man probably didn't realize how smart he was when he created the web shooters. What he did realize was that it was his responsibility to keep the rest of the people he loved safe by keeping his identity secret. Could he do both? Probably (definately), but the first lesson he learned early with the wrestling (trying to get easy money) and the robber and Uncle Ben set him off that path. My take anyway.
How is being a good/great biochemist/scientist a secret identity? There is no reason he can't be scientist by day, Spider-Man by night.

Personally, I'm a fan of the Ultimate Spidey route, where the web shooter technology was pretty much already invented by Peter's Dead-Dad, and he just found the plans and appropriated it for his own use.

Also, can we get more Rappe articles? Lady's great.
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post #41 of 67
10/14/10 at 11:35am
Nice. Like many others, I had a feeling that it would be Connors/Lizard after reading Webb's comments in the press announcement about why Ifans was deemed ideal for the role. I'm still not sure about the reboot as a whole, but I can't deny that the cast, as it's been assembled thus far, is really impressive.

However, as much as I like Ifans as an actor, I've never seen him act in a project in which he had to entirely abandon his Welsh accent. Is he capable of doing a complete American transformation, or will we be seeing a foreign-born Connors?
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post #42 of 67
10/14/10 at 11:48am
Last villainous Ifans turn: HANNIBAL RISING

OH SHIT
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post #43 of 67
10/14/10 at 1:18pm
Alternate article title: "SPIDER-MAN IS OFF TO SEE THE LIZARD.'

Yeah, weird that this is finally happening in the reboot. Just please let him wear the labcoat in lizard form. That's part of the awesomeness.
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post #44 of 67
10/14/10 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Dan beat me to the "Godzilla isn't green" Marvel No-Prize.
You can't. Cause Marvel printed him green back in the day. Oops.



Wait. If the budget is low on this Spidey reboot, and it's feared there won't be much action in this due to that fact, how are they going to afford a monster? Save it for the 3rd act showdown? Keep the lizard in shadows?

I wonder if it will be practical or CG...
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post #45 of 67
10/14/10 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers View Post
Today, I don't want to be Dylan Baker.
Dylan Baker probably knew all along he wouldn't get his shot at being The Lizard; he's not exactly enough of a name to be the villain in movies like these. He still got paid and possibly dodged quite a bit of time in the makeup chair. Obviously, if he's a geek, he's probably sad... but otherwise, maybe not as much as some people think.

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Originally Posted by Misfit View Post
Yeah, weird that this is finally happening in the reboot. Just please let him wear the labcoat in lizard form. That's part of the awesomeness.
It's so annoying we even have to talk about the possibility of this happening. It's the very definition of "should be a given."
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post #46 of 67
10/15/10 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by Bobby Bear View Post
Dylan Baker probably knew all along he wouldn't get his shot at being The Lizard; he's not exactly enough of a name to be the villain in movies like these. He still got paid and possibly dodged quite a bit of time in the makeup chair. Obviously, if he's a geek, he's probably sad... but otherwise, maybe not as much as some people think.
Alfred Molina was probably even less of a name than Baker is now when he was cast as Doc Ock. I don't think Raimi would've cast Baker if didn't intend to use him at some point.
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post #47 of 67
10/15/10 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post
Alfred Molina was probably even less of a name than Baker is now when he was cast as Doc Ock. I don't think Raimi would've cast Baker if didn't intend to use him at some point.
I don't know about that, man. Sure, Baker's worked a lot, but so has Molina and he's a genre vet, too (Ladyhawke, Raiders... Species.) I like to think I'm, hopefully, a little better at knowing somewhat obscure types than the average film-goer and Baker only really caught my attention because of the Spider-Man movies. Whereas, plenty of people doubtless saw Molina in Spider-Man 2 and thought "oh, man! The guy who impregnated alien Natasha Henstridge is Doc Ock!"

For my money, Alf was definitely more of a "name" or at least known face than Baker was at the time. I'd like to think Raimi wanted to use Baker, too, but having Connors in the background the whole time could've just been a nod to fellow Spidey fans all along. Hinting at a bigger world beyond just the story at hand.
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post #48 of 67
10/15/10 at 4:30pm
Molina might be 10% more well-known than Baker. That doesn't make him a movie star. Raimi clearly wasn't casting for recognition factor in either case, so it's a moot point.
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post #49 of 67
10/15/10 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Bit of an overstatement? They mention him in one line of dialague in the first film, and he has two small scenes in the second film, and only one in the third. He was built up in our minds (guilty), but really nowhere else. It's almost like saying they were building up to Man-Wolf in Spider-Man 4.
Late to the responding party, but anyways: Perhaps a bit of an overstatement, I'll admit. At the same time Connors has been a presence in two of the three films (not sure why I thought it was all three) and been established as someone who cares about Peter even if Connors is a minor character and their connection reflects that.

The films haven't been building towards an epic Spider-Man vs Lizard showdown but there's been some emotional groundwork laid that now won't get to be mined. It's too bad, is all.

Reading over the thread I'm forgetting something really important, which is that at the end of the day Baker or no, we're getting the Lizard. Which is really fucking cool.

So I guess I'm kind of looking forward to this for now.
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post #50 of 67
10/15/10 at 4:58pm
And just like that...I'm back in. Fuck.

And wait...what's the batman news? I can't find it.
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