The View vs. Bill O'Reilly

Fucking morons kill and get people killed every damn day. 9/11 was no different. Wish people would stop treating it as such.

This show lives for moments like this. Wouldn't be surprised if they planned to walk out in advance. They barely let him get a word in edgewise before they started screeching like fucking harpies. I don't like the guy, but let him say the entirety of his narrow-minded, fear-mongering, ass-backward statement before you demolish it. Anything else is just plain rude.

I can already see the awful SNL sketch that will probably come of this.

Not only that, it's better to let him bury himself with his own stupidity than to give him some kind of misplaced nobility as the poor guy who wasn't allowed to present his argument.

Honestly tho, in todays America does that really matter anyway when the right wing opinion framers are simply going to paint O'Reilly as some terribly put upon victim at the mercy of the evil liberal femi-nazi socialists no matter how he's treated on a show like The View?

The right frames the argument and the interpretation in the US in 2010, what good does playing nice do in the face of that?

Exactly. The video of the incident almost makes him look like a victim as these women interrupt him, scream at him, and call him names. They made themselves look like horrible loudmouth idiots, particularly Behar, and that's usually O'Reilly's job.

That's because they are horrible loudmouth idiots. (Not that O'Reilly's much better...)

That was lame, to the point where it did seem staged.

On a purely selfish sidenote, Elisabeth Hasselbeck is smoking hot, in spite of her brain. It was weird to see her basically on the sidelines for a change, sitting this one out.

This goes right along with other conflicts where the obliteration of both parties would be the optimal outcome. Such as Al Qaeda vs. Nambla and Rupert Murdoch vs. the Pope.

Instead of getting outraged and walking off tell Bill while 70% may agree with this now, 70% of the people also agreed with the Iraq war when it started.

And luckily no SNL this week so maybe it will not get on. The less Keenan the better.

Got to say, O'Reily was right. And so was Whoopi. We were attacked on 9/11 by Muslim Extremists, just like George Tiller was shot by Christian Extremists. The people who attacked us on 9/11 were very much following a valid interpretation of their holy book, I'm not going to pretend otherwise. I have grown tired of the effort to pretend that terrorists have perverted Islam: No, they just focus on the violent parts of their faith, but they're not inventing that dogma wholecloth

Sweet Jesus, Kate. I never thought I'd side with Rath on this issue, but WOW.

Am I missing something? Does the Koran not talk about stoning women and slaughtering infidels? Bin Laden didn't author his own version of Islam's Holy Book: he's motivating people with the crazy hatred already contained in the text.

That's just a fact. If pointing it out means I'm an Anti-Religion bigot, so be it. Sorry

But you're okay with slaughter if it's committed by, say, Colin Farrell in a blonde wig?

Huh? Does he actually DO that kinda shit?

Fun Fact: Alexander is referenced in the Koran as "the horned one", an evil character. This is because he was depicted on coinage at the time with horns (Amon, the Persian god, had horns, and Alexander was promoting himself as the True Son of Zeus/Amon)

That's not what Sura 22-9 says.

Kate have you read the Qur'an? Or do you just take isolated verses you find on the internet out of context?

Fun fact: Alexander slaughtered great swathes of the population of Thebes. But I guess it's okay because he was super-ambitious and it happened a really really long time ago.

No, but does the thing about pouring boiling water on someones head and then punishing them with iron rods sound better in context?

This is getting wildly off topic (I didn't bring up Glorious King Alexander, you did), but for the record Thebes deserved exactly what it got, IMHO. Alexander was the rightful king of Greece. He fought a mysterious 6-9 month war with a retarded half brother to claim the crown after Phillip's death. Thebes rebelled against his rule, refused his envoys offer of a conditional surrender (which would have turned out just fine for them, Alexander was famously magnanimous to those who didn't waste his time with pointless fighting), and threatened to delay the entire Asian invasion with home front instability.

When he took the city, he killed all the men, and sold the women and children into slavery. Tough, but fair by the standards of the time.

For the rest of the campaign, there was never any serious trouble in Greece. By making an example of Thebes, Alexander put a halt to further rebellion and saved lives in the process. Not only did he not have to fight a civil war, but instability could have threatened supply lines and lead to the decimation of the army. Truly he was "the greatest Alexander of them all"*

*IMHO

Child slavery = okay in context
Boiling water & iron rods= UNSPEAKABLE EVIL

Gotcha.

That post is especially hilarious when held against your anti-monarchy spoutings in the Politics forum.

Okay. This now officially has NOTHING to do with the thread topic.

What the hell is this conversation about?

The View and Bill O'Reilly. I think....

My "Ignore PK" circuits must be playing up. I apologise.

I've made my point and will no longer take part in Mr Merriweather's Alexander III of Macedon derail, so there is no reason it should not get back on topic now.

That's what I thought.
Read the book yourself. You don't have the intellectual right to make bold sweeping statements about a religion or what is "already contained in [its] text" unless you've read it. Otherwise you're just fighting on the side of ignorance.

Kate,
next time you do a "wildly off topic" post, it will cost you a few days of time out.
Deal?
Thanks.

hahahaha

when did Joy Behar sell kids into slavery again guys

Is the passage I quoted contained in the Koran? Yes? No? If not, I can point to a bunch of other passages about slaughter from the book.

Let's be clear: I'm absolutely not going to read the Koran. As far as I'm concerned, it's religion and therefore poison. It's made up, and not worth my time. That's just how I feel. The only relevant info as far as I'm concerned is does the book contain stuff about killing people for ridiculous slights against god? If yes, that's all I need to know to condemn it.

Beyond that, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm going to return to writing about the James Cameron CLEOPATRA movie now. Catch you guys on the flip side

Understood loud and clear, Tati. I sincerely apologize for taking Mr Merriweather's bait on Alexander. Next time I'll just say "PM me if you want to talk about him".

Then don't pretend you have intelligent things to say about it.
As far as I'm concerned, ignorance is poison. But it seems you're quite a fan.

Okay, so Bill O'Reilly IS an asshole. He really and truly is. But when his opponents do crappola like the hosts of The View did it weakens their position. Sometimes I listen to Limbaugh while I drive (to get myself riled up. It's better than metal) and his tactic is constantly to point to shit like this as examples of the contempt "the liberal media" have for actual discourse. And he does have a point. We can't walk away from arguments like this when we encounter them. We have to stick through to the bitter end. No matter how stupid or racist/sexist/homophobic we find the opposition's views. We have to be the bigger one in the arguement and not just walk away.

So let me get this straight-- a group of assholes met up with a single, different asshole and, together, they all acted like a bunch of assholes. Is that about the size of it? Behar and Goldberg are assholes for walking away from an argument, O'Reilly is an asshole for being, well, a huge racist and ignorant asshole. Nobody looks good here.

They knew what they were getting into having him on the show.

That's it in a nutshell. Listen to the walrus on this one.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have our new "Eugenics and racism aside."

VERY disappointed to not see a post in this thread yet saying:

"The View vs. Bill O'Reilly: Whoever wins, We lose"

That post works quite well with your profile pic, MM.

Thanks I am sure that is of great comfort to the young Afghan woman who was just stoned to death by her family for eloping last summer

Christianity's holy book is full of mostly equally vile sentiments, and there are plenty of christian bigots and nutcases out there. Remember, I said I was anti religion, not just anti Islam... However, currently at this point the muslim nuts are more violent than the christian ones. There are a billion muslims. Of course most are not violent. However, Islam in many parts of the globe is a system of brutal repression and many of it's followers are intent on bringing a violent holy war to the west*

That's not because Islam is any worse, it's because of poverty and isolation in Muslim countries that allows such ancient beliefs to exist unchecked by an independent legal system, but all the same the religion is still very much the justification used for such barbarism.

*And for the record, I get the feeling many Christians in America want just that.

Okay, is there another thread we can go to to discuss the violent underpinnings of Islam? This IS kinda on topic (ties to O'Reilly) but it really needs its own play space.

I'm not really arguing about whether or not Islam is a violent religion (the idea that there are some religions that are of the sword and some that are not is false, virtually all of them can be used to support violence), I'm arguing about whether or not the people who perpetrated 9/11 were "Muslims" like O'Reily says, or "Extremists" (but not muslims) like Whoopi implied

My point is that the terrorists are not "perverting" Islam, they are just choosing to be a different kind of muslim. Just like the family that stoned their daughter were not "extremists" by the standards of their region -- they were just practicing Islam as they've always known it

The View jumped on O'Reily (who is a racist and a bigot, but for other reasons) because he stated an uncomfortable truth which is that yes, Muslims attacked us. They may have been "extremists" in that they practiced Islam in a way that was very hard core about all the violent passages, but they were not drawing their inspiration out of the blue

I think when you hear that coming from O'Reily though, it sounds offensive because he was the guy chanting "Tiller the Baby Killer" for 10 years before Tiller was shot, and never has a problem with violent Christianity

It's cool, Peter, it's just a meta-reenactment of that kerfuffle on the television: a bunch of people righteously pronouncing on shit they don't know jack about.

Oh! Like cosplay! Kate, you make a very fetching O'reilly.

I met him in real life once, he's really tall. I couldn't pull it off. A brunette Elisabeth Hasslebeck would be the best I can do

http://chud.com/forum/showthread.php...53#post3050953

It's pretty easy to see the meat of what's going on here: no one ever gives a SHIT about The View unless something "outrageous" like this happens. They have to stoke the old ratings fire every now and then.