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Is it time for a non-Michael Myers Halloween movie series rebirth?

post #1 of 32
10/15/10 at 10:49am
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I really dig the idea that Carpenter tried to create a (possibly) yearly Halloween movie that had nothing to do with Michael Myers (ie Season of the Witch).
Maybe it was ahead of it's time - but there must be a market for slick but quick creative horror franchises. Films like Saw have proven you can run with a very clever script - give us down and out hack writers a chance! I suppose Tales from the Crypt did something similar with Demon Knight etc, but the idea is a solid one.
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post #2 of 32
10/15/10 at 10:57am
I'd rather see Trick R Treat II: The Treats Get Trickier
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post #3 of 32
10/15/10 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Tundro View Post
I really dig the idea that Carpenter tried to create a (possibly) yearly Halloween movie that had nothing to do with Michael Myers (ie Season of the Witch).
Maybe it was ahead of it's time - but there must be a market for slick but quick creative horror franchises. Films like Saw have proven you can run with a very clever script
That's where you lost me.

But, in essence, I agree. I'm one of the few fans of Halloween 3. I think it's delightfully goofy.
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post #4 of 32
10/15/10 at 11:21am
I have to admit, growing up, I didn't like (or really get) Halloween III. I was with the majority that the extreme left turn the series took was horrible.

But, I rewatched this film a couple of years ago after reading the details behind it here on CHUD. I found myself quite enjoying the film after looking at it through the proper-coloured glasses.

And I'm completely on board with the concept of doing a horror franchise that comes out annually, is fairly cheap to produce, but has slick writing, decent acting and offers a different experience each year.
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post #5 of 32
10/15/10 at 11:30am
Imagine how different that franchise would be if Season of the Witch had been the second film.
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post #6 of 32
10/15/10 at 11:38am
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Films like Saw have proven you can run with a very cleaver script
Fixed.
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post #7 of 32
10/15/10 at 11:44am
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Imagine how different that franchise would be if Season of the Witch had been the second film.
Interesting hypothetical. Question is, would the concept of a different story for each film have been successful, or would the franchise have stopped at two fims?
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post #8 of 32
10/15/10 at 12:15pm
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That's where you lost me.

But, in essence, I agree. I'm one of the few fans of Halloween 3. I think it's delightfully goofy.
Yeah I was only really referring to the first Saw film as an example of an out of the box cheap but well written little horror film... not so much the franchise.
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post #9 of 32
10/15/10 at 12:17pm
Still not well-written.
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post #10 of 32
10/15/10 at 12:24pm
I'm a big fan of Halloween III: Season Of The Witch, so yeah, I'm on board for non-Michael Myers Halloween movies.

Especially if they get Tom Atkins back. Shit, they should just do what they were originally going to do for the third film in the remake franchise and get Patrick Lussier and Todd Farmer to do Halloween III, and instead of somehow continuing where Zombie left off the remake sequel, just go with what Carpenter did in the original series.
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post #11 of 32
10/15/10 at 12:24pm
Tommy Lee Wallace is doing a Q&A after a screening at the New Beverly on October 30.
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post #12 of 32
10/15/10 at 12:29pm
The kid's head seemingly disintegrating into a mass of worms and snakes and bugs is pretty much the only genuinely unsettling moment in the whole run of remakes/sequels/remade sequels.

I'm totally switching to a Silver Shamrock pumpkin avatar for Halloween.
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post #13 of 32
10/15/10 at 1:33pm
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Interesting hypothetical. Question is, would the concept of a different story for each film have been successful, or would the franchise have stopped at two fims?
That's just it, it was a bizarre decision to go in that direction after the franchise had established Myers as the primary antagonist. I'm showing my naivety here but was Myers an instant icon after Halloween? Or was it years later that he became so iconic?
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post #14 of 32
10/15/10 at 1:38pm
He fucking melted in a fire in Halloween II.

I agree they should have gone anthology after the first one but in a way they gave audiences a little more credit in 1981, so the anthology idea was partly born because Myers was hot goo. Probably around Friday the 13th part 3 (or Son Of Frankenstein, if you wanna be a fucker about it) is when they decided to just throw logic out the window and keep bringing back horror antagonists despite all logic.
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post #15 of 32
10/15/10 at 1:42pm
And we would never have had Halloween 5. Or 6. Or 8. I want to live in this hypothetical world.
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post #16 of 32
10/15/10 at 1:47pm
Didn't Dark Castle Entertainment try something like that. Coming out with a different horror pic each year with the only connection being a) same company, and b) low budget horror?

They started with House on Haunted Hill, then 13 Ghosts, Ghost Ship then they went downhill from there.

But calling it Halloween:....(insert brief description here) would only confuse the general public since Mike Myers isn't in it.
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post #17 of 32
10/15/10 at 1:54pm
Yeah. People don't want something new. They want the same old same old in a familiar package. See the Saw movies and every other franchise.
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post #18 of 32
10/15/10 at 1:59pm
Yeah, that's why those Dark Castle films failed, because they were too challenging for modern audiences.
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post #19 of 32
10/15/10 at 2:03pm
I meant the whole "Halloween: insert subtitle" different plot line sans Myers idea. It just wouldn't work. The Dark Castle thing worked just fine with audiences for a while. Not great films by any stretch. But kids still blather on about 13 Ghosts for some reason. I guess cuz it just came on TV the night before.
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post #20 of 32
10/15/10 at 2:11pm
Dark Castle's original plan was just to remake William Castle's films. Although we did get 2 really good remakes: House On Haunted Hill, and House Of Wax, and one mediocre one: 13 Ghosts. I dug Ghost Ship, and even though it's not horror, I dug the shit out of Ninja Assassin.

I'm still hoping for a new body horror take on The Tingler, and for them to make cockroaches fearsome again in a remake of Bug.
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post #21 of 32
10/15/10 at 2:16pm
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I'm still hoping for a new body horror take on The Tingler, and for them to make cockroaches fearsome again in a remake of Bug.
Oooooooh! Now THAT is a good idea!
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post #22 of 32
10/15/10 at 2:22pm
They just need to get back Geoffrey Rush since he's a dead ringer for Vincent Price, and start dreaming up how they're going to start mutating people with The Tingler!

That would certainly be a remake that would surpass the original, and that all of us here at CHUD would appreciate and support.
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post #23 of 32
10/15/10 at 2:34pm
Geoffrey Rush is easily my favorite thing about House on Haunted Hill and he needs to make some more horror flicks. I love that physical resemblance aside he didn't go for a whole hog immitation of his style.
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post #24 of 32
10/15/10 at 2:46pm
Yeah, he really embraced the film and the campiness of it. I think he's the only cast member who's actually having a lot of fun in House On Haunted Hill.

It was also interesting to see Chris Kattan not entirely going Mango in his role and playing it pretty seriously for the most part.
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post #25 of 32
10/15/10 at 2:48pm
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Tommy Lee Wallace is doing a Q&A after a screening at the New Beverly on October 30.
I'm going to try my damnedest to go.
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post #26 of 32
10/15/10 at 3:10pm
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He fucking melted in a fire in Halloween II.

I agree they should have gone anthology after the first one but in a way they gave audiences a little more credit in 1981, so the anthology idea was partly born because Myers was hot goo. Probably around Friday the 13th part 3 (or Son Of Frankenstein, if you wanna be a fucker about it) is when they decided to just throw logic out the window and keep bringing back horror antagonists despite all logic.
The time gap between 2 and 4 was huge. Part 4 was practically a reboot before such things existed.
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post #27 of 32
10/15/10 at 8:28pm
The Tales from the Crypt series was a fantastic idea, I really wish they had done more. I think the suits figured there wasn't a market for them after Bordello of Blood tanked(at least one more was planned after BoB), but that movie bombed because it was fucking terrible.
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post #28 of 32
10/15/10 at 8:33pm
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The Tales from the Crypt series was a fantastic idea, I really wish they had done more. I think the suits figured there wasn't a market for them after Bordello of Blood tanked(at least one more was planned after BoB), but that movie bombed because it was fucking terrible.
Frighteners was originally planned as a Tales from the Crypt movie, actually, until Zemeckis thought the script had merit enough to stand alone.
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post #29 of 32
10/15/10 at 10:29pm
Huh! I never knew that, Patrick. I can kinda see it. Neat.
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post #30 of 32
10/15/10 at 11:36pm
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The Tales from the Crypt series was a fantastic idea, I really wish they had done more. I think the suits figured there wasn't a market for them after Bordello of Blood tanked(at least one more was planned after BoB), but that movie bombed because it was fucking terrible.
Didn't they also release BoB in August? I remember seeing ads for it when I was at my family's summer cabin.

Agreed, it wasn't good. But it probably would have done better if had opened in October.
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post #31 of 32
10/16/10 at 4:23am
Also a potential Crypt film: From Dusk Till Dawn

There actually is a third Crypt movie, called Ritual, starring Tim Curry. It's all sorts of straight to DVD. I'm not sure if it's the voodoo one they were talking up at the time, but it certainly is a voodoo flick. Hopefully I'll finally see it, in about a year or so. Also, I think that franchise could have a terrific second life on DTDVD. I'd spring for some of those.

As to a formalized Halloween series, what would the base similarity be? Because as it is, there's always four or five October horror releases. Usually a couple sequels, but not exclusively. Unless you just mean it would be nice if they released some good horror films this month, which I can sure get behind.
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post #32 of 32
10/16/10 at 7:25am
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Also a potential Crypt film: From Dusk Till Dawn

There actually is a third Crypt movie, called Ritual, starring Tim Curry. It's all sorts of straight to DVD. I'm not sure if it's the voodoo one they were talking up at the time, but it certainly is a voodoo flick. Hopefully I'll finally see it, in about a year or so. Also, I think that franchise could have a terrific second life on DTDVD. I'd spring for some of those.

As to a formalized Halloween series, what would the base similarity be? Because as it is, there's always four or five October horror releases. Usually a couple sequels, but not exclusively. Unless you just mean it would be nice if they released some good horror films this month, which I can sure get behind.
Yeah I realise the Halloween name is pretty much stuck with Myers. I was really only fantasising about the idea that one of the horror gods (Carpenter, Craven, Romero, or even King) collaborating or going solo to produce a series of films that promote young talent and writers. Now that the Saw fanchise has run it's course (and then some) there seems to be a window around Halloween time for a yearly or bi-yearly horror movie event - boosted by the fact that it's produced by a horror legend. Something like a John Carpenter Presents.... (title)
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