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post #51 of 63
10/17/10 at 1:15pm
Because to the larger public, Superman is a difficult character to grasp (costume, tone, etc.). The most popular incarnation of the character at the moment is one that bares only the slightest resemblance to what comic fans know.

Edit: That reminds me, the costume, I strongly suspect some changes in the costume for this new film. I've made some comments regarding my thoughts on the costume before, but it's going to be strange if they do indeed alter it. Messing around with that iconography is a slippery slope.
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post #52 of 63
10/17/10 at 1:22pm
Exactly why WB should go in this direction. Not to make comic fans happy, per se. (Though that's a nice byproduct.) But because oftentimes -- and despite what studio execs think -- the general public is keen to support something they've never seen before (or haven't seen in a really long time).
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post #53 of 63
10/17/10 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by zak chase View Post
Exactly why WB should go in this direction. Not to make comic fans happy, per se. (Though that's a nice byproduct.) But because oftentimes -- and despite what studio execs think -- the general public is keen to support something they've never seen before (or haven't seen in a really long time).
Burton's Batman is a good example of this. A darker, more serious version of the character was not at all new to comic readers/fans, thanks to both Frank Miller's success and anyone with a knowledge of the 70s-era Batman comics (O'Neill) that gave the character a more serious edge. But to the vast majority of moviegoers, Batman = Adam West + campy tone. And yet the "new" version of the character was and has been embraced by the public.

I think they could retool Supes some, to allow for more interesting stories and more drama/tension, without sacrificing public interest and box office.
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post #54 of 63
10/17/10 at 5:17pm
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Didn't Goyer and Nolan have BATMAN doing essentially the same thing? Wayne traveling the world anonymously, trying to find himself? Doesn't seem that far fetched IMHO
Superman IS NOT Batman.
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post #55 of 63
10/17/10 at 5:27pm
True, Superman doesn't need to go around the world caving in the heads of random brown people, but it's not like there's anything wrong with Superman getting a look at the world around him, getting a look at what we need, what he can offer, etc. (although I suppose he could just telescopically view that shit from space). It's all in the doing.

Edit: This makes me think of Pauline Kael's review of the Donner film and how she bemoaned what she saw as Star Wars inspired infusion of mythology in the text. If you look at the 40's comics, Krypton is fucking window dressing, no one even gave a shit about it until the 50's and the increased interest in science fiction. Krypton can and has been used quite well across all media, but I'm much more interested in the Kent's being the driving force behind what Clark does than his dead space father.
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post #56 of 63
10/17/10 at 5:34pm
There's nothing wrong with it, but I don't think it's what you want to do when you're on your second attempt at re-launching the franchise.
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post #57 of 63
10/17/10 at 5:53pm
I'm not saying I want to see that, but I think a lot of ideas being shot down are being shot down because some people lack the imagination to see how one can do these things in very exciting ways. At their core, the Spider-Man films are not terribly dissimilar to Nolan's Batman films, there are structural similarities, but it's all about tone and execution.

Superman and Batman are very different characters, so Superman travelling the world and Batman travelling the world should, by virtue, reflect that difference.

I don't know what this movie is going to be, I don't know what Goyer wrote, I don't know if Snyder will suddenly become not tone deaf to directing actors, or how hard Nolan will lean, I just want a Superman film that's romantic, and fun, and bright, and bombastic, just big, but I don't need anything as specific as say...punching a robot or something.
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post #58 of 63
10/17/10 at 5:54pm
I feel like this film franchise (since 1 & 2) is a analogue for this hypothetical Supes. Wandering looking for purpose. It's sad, really.
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post #59 of 63
11/15/10 at 2:54am
Hoping Nolan takes a page (page one, specifically) from Morrison in getting the origin out of the way:

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post #60 of 63
11/15/10 at 3:01am
Sounds good to me. I mean, even most of the youngest viewers probably know the origin of Superman.
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post #61 of 63
11/15/10 at 3:33am
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
I feel like this film franchise (since 1 & 2) is a analogue for this hypothetical Supes. Wandering looking for purpose. It's sad, really.
Good call.

Maybe that's what inspired the approach. If his relevance is in question in the culture at large (beyond shifting merch), why not use that as a starting point.

Douglas Adams called that kind of move a form of writer's Judo, where you use the nature/force of the problem against itself.

I can't imagine that pages of Allstar Supes aren't pinned up all over the production office, whatever approach they decide to take.
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post #62 of 63
11/16/10 at 5:12pm
TIMOTHY OLYPHANT FOR SUPERMAN!
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post #63 of 63
11/16/10 at 6:07pm
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Hoping Nolan takes a page (page one, specifically) from Morrison in getting the origin out of the way:
See also: The beginning of MEGAMIND.

If a kid's animated flick can parody it, it's recognizable enough for the masses to not need a fleshed out version.
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