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Trading Places (1983)

post #1 of 24
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I'll start with an opinion that may not be widely shared: Dan Aykroyd gives a funnier and more well-rounded performance than Eddie Murphy. His Louis Winthorpe III has a much more interesting arc that you can see bubbling below the surface of this tightly wound character from the start. He feels just outside of his group of awful, cheeseball, cocksucker "friends", they're better looking than him, more athletic, and so on, and the character of Todd clearly (sharp-looking playboy) has designs on Louis' fiancee. He needs the Dukes to make that bet, not to simply teach him a lesson, but to get him out of a life that'll probably turn to shit in a few years. He's going to get married to the wrong woman who will likely be banging one of his "buddies" behind his back in the not-too-distant future, and his continued "support" from and future among that group feels tenuous at best.

When everything gets started I love how every potentially dark moment for Louis walks right into a laugh, attempted suicide has rarely been funnier. Also, Aykroyd in blackface with a terrible Jamaican accent is great, it's really silly and kind of a bald laugh, but it kills me everytime.

Murphy is very good, and I would say it's more the writing than him, but aside from learning that he has the aptitude to succeed in this world in an honest and straight-forward manner, he never gets the 180 that Louis does, but I suppose that's because Louis has the largest personality flaws and is the guy most in denial about his position.

Jamie Lee Curtis is great in a cliched role. She's always radiated an enormous amount of intelligence, so much so that she makes the thinnest roles credible (it's why there's never been a better Scream Queen, she makes non-characters work). Her strength and presence as a performer is also what makes the more exploitive aspects of her character work as well. I think I appreciate the sexuality of her performance more now as an adult than I did as a thirteen-year-old kid whacking myself dry over it, certainly more than when I was six or seven and didn't know quite what to do, but knew that I liked what I saw.

Denholm Elliott, Paul Gleason, Don Ameche, Ralph Bellamy, all those guys have fabulous, winning moments, even miniscule, one-and-done characters like the Duke's black limo driver and sardonic butler are fucking hilarious.

Maybe it's because I haven't seen Animal House in a very long time, or maybe it's a generational thing, or a taste thing, but I prefer Trading Places over it, I really do.
post #2 of 24
I'll take the piss and blaspheme: I've never liked Animal House.

Trading Places, on the other hand, is a perfect comedy, and definitely, for the three leads, some of their best work. For Aykroyd, I go back and forth between this and Dragnet for his best work. Though I probably need to see Grosse Point Blank again.
post #3 of 24
Some great thoughts.

I would say that Murphy is playing the easier role here, whereas Aykroyd has a lot more heavy lifting to do.

I would also agree that he goes through the bigger transformation in the flick and plays that transformation very well. And I know we are supposed to believe Murphy also goes through a transformation I always felt that he simply became a more successful conman.
post #4 of 24
I'll give Eddie this much: He could've oversold way more of that film than he did, though. For that stage of his career, there's a pretty considerable amount of restraint.
post #5 of 24
Oh I totally agree, but even so his charater somehow seems less redeemed at the end of the film than Aykroyd does.
post #6 of 24
Still one of the funniest movies ever. The "one dollar" gag is such a perfect little capper.

Kind of surprised there hasn't been talk of remaking it yet.
post #7 of 24
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Still one of the funniest movies ever. The "one dollar" gag is such a perfect little capper.

Kind of surprised there hasn't been talk of rema--
post #8 of 24
I need to watch Animal House again, but I do think it's better than the incredibly bloated, mostly unfunny Coming to America, which I watched and was astonished anyone enjoyed.

The fourth-wall break when the Dukes are explaining bacon is perfect. It's also remarkable how grungy and disgusting Aykroyd gets when he's dressed up as Santa. It's terrible to watch bits of the beard go in when he's eating that fish on the bus.
post #9 of 24
Coming To America is a romantic comedy first and foremost and it's paced as such. It's actually incredibly sweet in that context, and still one of the few black romantic comedies that objectively works.

And completely disagreed on it being unfunny. It peters out in the 3rd act (except Arsenio's amazing scream take when James Earl Jones shows up at his door), but the laughs are strong for the other two.
post #10 of 24
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Coming To America is a romantic comedy first and foremost and it's paced as such. It's actually incredibly sweet in that context, and still one of the few black romantic comedies that objectively works.

And completely disagreed on it being unfunny. It peters out in the 3rd act (except Arsenio's amazing scream take when James Earl Jones shows up at his door), but the laughs are strong for the other two.
My recollection is that the romance doesn't even start until 2/3 of the way in, and I couldn't believe it was 120 minutes rather than 90.

The only things I found funny: Murphy and Hall picking NYC off the map, the landlord yelling at the unconscious dude who falls down the stairs, the classic "Fuck you!" gag when Murphy gets up in the morning, and...that's it, I think.
post #11 of 24
"Queens!"

Is Coming To America where Murphy started playing multiple characters?
post #12 of 24
Yes but they were actually funny in this one.
post #13 of 24
Random thoughts

I don't think Animal House is that great either. It has its moments, but its not as funny as its supposed to be.

Gross Point Blank is Ayroyd's best role.

Before anyone criticizes Coming to America too hard; I have two words for you: Sexual Chocolate!
post #14 of 24
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Some great thoughts.

I would say that Murphy is playing the easier role here, whereas Aykroyd has a lot more heavy lifting to do.

I would also agree that he goes through the bigger transformation in the flick and plays that transformation very well. And I know we are supposed to believe Murphy also goes through a transformation I always felt that he simply became a more successful conman.
I think this speaks to what Landis said about Murphy's true talent being mimicry. Murphy's spontaneity is a lot of fun and he brings a lot of energy to the proceedings, but what you get with Aykroyd (his gift for huge, breathless line readings and for playing stiffs that are somehow never boring) really lends itself to the life of the character.

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Before anyone criticizes Coming to America to hard; I have two words for you: Sexual Chocolate!
I have two more words for you: Soul Glo.
post #15 of 24
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I'll take the piss and blaspheme: I've never liked Animal House.
Let's not go crazy here people!
post #16 of 24
Well, I'll take the other end of the blasphemy equation: Trading Places really falls apart in the third act. Once they get on the train, the movie completely loses its way and turns into a vaudeville sketch.
post #17 of 24
Yet another comedy from the 'family library of beloved funnies' that I essentially grew up with as it was so loved by my dad.

I'd actually go so far as to call this my favourite Murphy film but to be fair, everyone in this is brilliant. Don Ameches meltdown at the films conclusion never ceases to make me wet myself ("Mortimer, your brother's not well. We better call an ambulance.","Fuck him!"), Ackroyd is truly fantastic - maybe as good as he's ever been and Curtis is the perfect balance of loveable charisma, smarts and deep fried sex.

One of my favourite scenes may be the one on the train. The forced overdone laugh Murphy does disguised as the African combined with him almost shouting his lines leaves me on the floor ("I do not drink, it is against my religion!").

There's just so much thats good about this film that it surprises me that your Beverly Hills Cop's (and yes even Animal House's) and the like still get so much love but this film seems to be somewhat forgotten these days.

Love love love.
post #18 of 24
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Well, I'll take the other end of the blasphemy equation: Trading Places really falls apart in the third act. Once they get on the train, the movie completely loses its way and turns into a vaudeville sketch.
I kind of agree with this. It sort of becomes a different film on the train, what with the improbably broad disguises and the antics with the gorilla. Plus Jim Belushi shows up, which knocks the comedy quotient down automatically.

And put me down for membership in the "don't love Animal House as much as others" club. It plays like a disjointed sequence of gags that ultimately don't go anywhere.
post #19 of 24
Not since Die Hard 3's "Four Gallons" puzzle has a movie scheme perplexed me so much. Can someone explain to me, briefly, what Valentine and Winthrop actually did to bankrupt the Duke's, how the fake/real crop reports factor into it, and would it actually work?
post #20 of 24
In a nutshell, the false crop report stated that the cold had damaged the orange crop, which would affect the ability to make orange juice. This would cause orange juice futures to be more valuable, since orange juice would be harder to come by. The Duke's trader, acting on this incorrect information, starts buying tons of orange juice futures. Billy Ray and Louis, on the other hand, start selling shares when the run begins. Once the actual crop report is read, it's obvious there won't be a big leap in the value of orange juice futures, and everyone who paid a ton to get in needs to get out, as the value of the futures they just bought is going to plummet. This is where Billy Ray and Loius make their money -- having sold shares they didn't have at top dollar, they now buy back those shares at an extreme discount from traders desperate to get out of the position and avoid a larger loss. The problem the Dukes have is they bought most of those shares on margin -- borrowing money you don't have to buy stock. Most brokerages allow this, and allow you to carry a balance as long as your portfolio maintains a certain value (usually a percentage of what you borrowed). When the orange juice futures market crashed, the Dukes had borrowed huge sums of money to buy what turned out to be relatively worthless shares, and immediately went into a margin call, where you have to pay back what you borrowed. And here's how the Dukes went broke -- if you don't have the money, the exchange liquidates your assets until you have enough money to pay back the balance, and since they'd leveraged so much, they pretty much wiped out all their assets to pay the margin loan back.
post #21 of 24
As for whether it would actually work, there's an extra on the DVD that points out that, while it could work, it's very unlikely you'd see such a herd mentality on the exchange floor.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Cigam Retah View Post
Not since Die Hard 3's "Four Gallons" puzzle has a movie scheme perplexed me so much. Can someone explain to me, briefly, what Valentine and Winthrop actually did to bankrupt the Duke's, how the fake/real crop reports factor into it, and would it actually work?
There are also two different solutions to the gallon puzzle, if you need to know them.
post #23 of 24
Now you're just showing off.
post #24 of 24
God, I love this movie. I've been wanting to change my user title to "Is a big Barry White-lookin' motherfucker" for years but it doesn't fit.
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