STUPIDITY TO KEEP MEL OUT OF HANGOVER 2

Totally agree. If you are ok to work with a rapist like Tyson Gibson should be no problem at all.

Why is Ken Leung pissed? Mel never said anything about Asians.

Maybe the stars didn't have the same level of control during the first movie as in the second?

I remember hearing a few days back, that Zach G. was protesting the film due to them wanting Mel to be in it.

I think they should replace Mel, with Sean Connery.. how cool would that be to see him as a drunken tattoo artist.

Get Tom Hardy to do it.

Meta!

Eh.

I'd buy that if I hadn't already read that Tyson is supposed to be reprising his cameo.

I know it's fan dreaming, but I was hoping his cameo would give him some public support, and eventually lead to him returning to Mad Max. Stars were seeming to line up, Mad Max was delayed, Hardy was cast in Batman... but, wasn't meant to be...

Yeah, that's not right. Gibson's not committed a crime.

So I assume they were equally as vigilant about past statements from all the other cast and crew members?

This seems like bullshit. But hey, if they're not comfortable working with the guy it's their prerogative. Even if I feel they're kind of full of shit.

He's not been convicted yet. Making death threats is a crime. And he's under criminal investigation for assaulting Oksana.

That said, I totally agree that this is a hypocritical double standard being applied.

He made death threats? I thought he just told her to smile and blow him.

I don't really get it. It kinda defeats the purpose of this type of cameo when they reject someone for those reasons, which I thought was why they wanted him in the first place just like with Tyson. I thought it was part of the joke. I mean, come one, they do know he's Austrailian right? He almost didn't become an actor because he was afraid people would think he was a fag. The role pretty much writes itself.

The cast had no problem mugging next to Tyson, a convicted rapist. But suddenly they're moralists about doing the same with Gibson? On the other hand, Phillips and the studio should have known including him wouldn't sit well with everyone.

Neither side comes off well.

Roman Polanski to fill in for Mel Gibsons role... I'm calling it now.

Oksana: "I'm not the one to make threats."
Mel: "I'll threaten you; I'll put you in the fucking rose garden, you cunt."

Have you listened to all the tapes? There's like eight of them out there.

I don't really care for HANGOVER ONE, but I will admit there is clear hypocrisy in how Galifianakis and company were buddy buddy with Mike Tyson only to now refuse to work with Gibson. With that said, the fact that hypocrisy exists is not any sort of reason for Gibson to have not gotten the boot. Two wrongs do not make a right. It was wrong of them to work with Tyson, and it would wrong to work with Gibson. I know not everyone agrees here, but I don't want to see Gibson get a third chance. He deserves career death.

Just my take, sorry.

I agree for creative reasons.
The Tyson cameo works because he's playing himself. It's funny to see him riffing on his persona and punching people. Not to mention the fact that Tyson is the kind of celebrity you would expect to find in Vegas. It just works.
But Gibson playing another character and winking at the audience just because he's Mel Gibson? It sounds like a scene that could pull you right out of the movie.

The Tyson thing was a while back. People have very short memories when it comes to these things.

If they don't want to work with him they don't want to work with him. Plus, what Evi said.

Maybe Galifinakis was worried that his beard couldn't stand up to the awesomeness that is Gibson's in that pic?

We need an internet petition to get Nunziata cast in this role!

Mike Tyson got out of prison in 1995. That's 15 years ago. Slowly but surely (not immediately) he's managed to redeem himself and rehabilitate himself into somebody who's genuinely ashamed and sorry for what he did when he was younger and out of control, high on his fame.

Mel Gibson punched and threatened the mother of his child a few months ago, and exposed himself as a gigantic anti-Semitic racist asshole.

I don't see how anybody can compare the two.

ETA: Charles S. Dutton is a convicted murderer. No one complains about him, because he's redeemed himself a million times over.

Might be a double bluff. After his cameo was leaked they just tell everyone he inst in it. Then when he IS in the film everyone will be all OMFG or whatever the appropriate acronym is.

...or maybe Zach G was pissed because Mel is actually cast as the Thai tranny he drunkenly fucks

"Whassyerlassnameagain? Oh, yeah, Garglebargle...that...that fuckin' shitsss Roman or Greek or whatever, right? You're gonna show me how *urp* you Greek boys do it, right? Fatass." - Mel

Better than Homer's drunken love postcard.

Yeah, I think this is a case of "too soon". If or when Mel man's up to his actions, maybe people will be less quick to judge. But right now, his name is filthy, even if he hasn't been convicted of a major crime.

Unless Gibson was playing himself on a bender I don't see the point in the cameo.

The original script called for them to bump into Gary Glitter and Victor Salva in Thailand. Hilarity ensues.

I doubt Galifiakakis's problem is with Mel's personal problems, more that it is a stupid and hacky idea that was pretty much already done with Cruise in Tropic Thunder (which was a decent performance, but pointless and not very funny).

The other thing to remember is that Zach has clout now, even if he had problems with Tyson, he likely wouldn't have been able to do anything about it then.

Gibson now has the free time to get that Mr. Smith Goes to Washington remake going.

Umm yeah I don't see how anyone can compare the 2 either. Rape is WAY worse. And honestly how do you know he truly is sorry for anytihng he has done? How do you know he isn't doing it so you buy that he's sorry. He can be sorry as he wants but that woman is still raped.

Charles S. Dutton was convicted of murder but it was self defense. I guy came at him with a knife and he got it and stabbed him with it. However when he went to court he didn't show alot of remorse and he was black so boom they gave it to him. Anyone else would have walked on that no problem.

I do agree though that it's a time thing. People will apparently forgive anything if enough time passes.

I thought the gag would be the guys stumble on Mike Tyson getting tattooed by Gibson, Gibson recognizes Alan as a one-man wolfpack who raped his pig-in-heat wife, Tyson says, "Did somebody say rape?" and sodomizes them all to Phil Collins' "Sussudio."

This is fantasy, but if Gibson were to star as John Brown in Tarantino's dream project, that'd be a quick one-two to getting his rep & career back.

I am hardly a fan of Tyson, but there were a LOT of questions surrounding the rape conviction, and he paid his debt to society.

So you're telling me that I'm "stupid" if I wouldn't want to work with someone who spewed the kind of things Mel has (not only on that tape but previously, while refusing to be apologetic about it)?

No of course not I wouldn't want to work with someon like that who would? Unless of course you worked with a rapist then you your an idiot.

Also it wasn't just rape. Even if he didn't rape anyone he still beat his wife which is at least equal to what Mel did. And thats forgetting all the other random shit Mike did. Theres a great clip they play on the Stern show where he is getting into it with someone where he calls a guy "a white bitch" a "white faggot" and that "i'll fuck you till you love me faggot".

Look I get it, this is new but you really can't excuse that Mike did things as bad and worse than Mel and use that as grounds with not working with him. Yeah I know he made that documentary where he looked very very sad. My opion? I wouldn't want to work with either one.

I'm of two minds about it. If they felt uncomfortable, they were well within their rights to say something about it. On the other hand, pretty much everyone in Hollywood has done some immoral/illegal shit. By this logic, no one should be getting work.

Frankly, I'm more shocked that crew members rose up and said something. I read that some even threatened to walk off the set if Gibson showed up. I would think that they would be more worried about losing their jobs. Their employment isn't as secure as an actor's, I would think.

mel pays tyson to rape his wife, bam 100mil opening weekend.

Hooray for unions!

Putting Alec Baldwin in league with Gibson seems wrongheaded to me. Baldwin got pissed off and said something he shouldn't have (he said he was pissed off at Basinger and took it out on his daughter instead), but it's not like he went on some 15 minute tirade where he called his daughter a cunt repeatedly or something.

What I also find kind of troubling about the vehemence surrounding this story is that Gibson' situation -- while not exactly defensible -- is pretty suspect. Gibson hasn't been found guilty of anything except being a raging maniac on the telephone. He hasn't been found guilty of assault.

Of course, I agree with the general consensus that this isn't about his alleged battery -- it hasn't been since this shit hit the fan -- but about the racial comments he made. And in itself, combined with the "Tyson's cool!" is just deeply disturbing to me.

IF the cast and crew of the Hangover was taking a stance because he is in the midst of an investigation, I would have a lot of respect for them. But to do it because he's made awful comments is just laughable.

The Gibson situation isn't as clear as Tyson's. At all. You are talking about a private conversation that we have no context for. I'm not saying that Gibson's behavior or his remarks are ok, but listening to that, I honestly don't hear a guy who is in his right mind. I think he's drunk, and I think he's mentally ill. Gibson once claimed to be bipolar -- then backtracked -- and I do think something like that could be the case. And if it is, how do you hold someone accountable for their words? One of my friends is an older bipolar man, who was diagnosed pretty late in life. Even on meds, he has to be baby-sat, and will do or say things that can be pretty shocking.

I actually feel pretty bad for Gibson, because it is clear he does need help, and public shamefests aren't the answer. I'm also pretty shocked and dismayed at the near canonization of Oksana Grigorieva by the press and blogosphere. Again, this is an ongoing investigation, and one which has seen its instigator hire and fired 50 lawyers. That's pretty bizarre for someone who claims to have such tight evidence of being assaulted.

Don't think I'm defending him. If Gibson did hit her, he should be locked up. But if she's lying? Fuck that. I've seen spousal abuse first hand. I have absolutely no sympathy for a nutjob who would cry wolf for the sake of money and an Oprah interview. The damage that can do for the awareness and campaigns for abused women -- it makes me so furious.

Whew. I'm ranting a lot, but there's a lot of ways The Hangover 2 could have spun this. Right now they look just as asinine and childish as they could. There would be a way to make a real statement here -- about violence towards women, racism, homophobia, even urging Gibson to seek help -- and this is just hypocritical. But hey, I guess we shouldn't expect too much out of a movie that make rape drugs a joke anyway.

(For the record, I did think The Hangover and the roofies were funny as hell. I'm not some kind of political harridan.)

Why should someone work with an asshole if they don't have to? Because other people in Hollywood do?

Gibson is an asshole. Some people in this movie who have a say don't want to work with him. What does other assholes like Mike Tyson or Roman Polanski have to do with anything? Because if you'll work with one asshole you should have to work with them all? The entire slant of this article is stupid.

Elisabeth, GET OUT OF MY BRAIN!

It's always interesting to me how the world (including myself) selectively contextualizes the misdeeds of others. What Roman Polanski did was deplorable, but Matthew Broderick killed two people by driving his car into them in 1987. Nobody seems ashamed to work with him. Charlie Sheen continues to get employed, but nobody will work with Lindsay Lohan. The Mike Tyson comparison was made to me back after Paul Reubens was busted for indecent exposure and villified, while Tyson continued his fighting career post-rape conviction.

Mel Gibson is a puzzle to me. He sounds like a racist xenophobe in his rants, but Apocalypto hardly looks like the work of someone who despises other cultures. His ex may or may not have been severely abused but is certainly an opportunist. As usual, something between the two stories is the truth. My take (as if I know shit) is that he's a mostly harmless nasty drunk, and I somehow doubt that he's the last of that species in Hollywood.

This example can be taken to an even higher extreme in commerce and politics... but this isn't the place.

Two things about your examples 1) Matthew Broderick has apologized for that several times and seems truly contrite 2) People won't work with Lohan because she disrupts filming and acts un-professional.

You make good points. There are no perfect control groups for these sorts of things.

Has it been confirmed that the boycott of Gibson was for moral reasons and not because they didn't think the gag was funny?

Right now I agree with the following posts:

I am 80% thinking that it was moral reasons and 20% thinking that they figured that the cat was out of the bag, so it wasn't worth the expense / trouble.

It's interesting to me that, of all the names mentioned here, the ones who aren't shunned are the ones whose misbehavior was not caught on tape for the world to see or hear. It's one thing to hear stories about someone misbehaving, but when it's caught on tape and replayed all over the place, people react differently. Had the Gibson tapes not been leaked, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. There's no video/audio of the Tyson rape or the Broderick accident, and look how often those are brought up now. I didn't even know Broderick had killed someone until your post. I don't think there's any video of Sheen beating his wife or shooting Kelly Preston, so it's swept under the rug.