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post #51 of 328
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If that was ever going to work, it should have been done decades ago. Someone creating a new property that carried on the spirit of the Indiana franchise, instead of just replicating it, would be a better idea.
I definitely wouldn't say no to that either.
post #52 of 328
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Originally Posted by Ali View Post
Someone creating a new property that carried on the spirit of the Indiana franchise, instead of just replicating it, would be a better idea.
They tried with 'the Mummy'.
They tried with 'Tomb Raider'.
Hell, they even tried with 'King Soloman's Mines'.

Nobody has gotten it right.
post #53 of 328
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
They tried with 'the Mummy'.
They tried with 'Tomb Raider'.
Hell, they even tried with 'King Soloman's Mines'.

Nobody has gotten it right.
They came closest with the first "Mummy", but that whole sub-genre doesn't lend itself well to CGI creatures and whatnot. It would be like doing a remake of Lawrence of Arabia with all digital camels.
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post #55 of 328
Choices are a bit obvious.
post #56 of 328
Q: Who's Joseph "Cotton"?
A: The enemy of automated spellcheckers everywhere.

Seriously, though. There's another important reason Third Man can't be remade, and that's the time and place in which it was filmed. Postwar Vienna is the third star of the film.
post #57 of 328
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It's hard to have most sacred cows that aren't obvious. But some won't be. And I still think it needs to be said, even if it's for the more casual film fans that read the site.
post #58 of 328
It'd be nice if someone, ANYONE, offered a rebuttal to these.
post #59 of 328
The choices ARE obvious, but the write-ups have made for some great reading material.
post #60 of 328
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
It'd be nice if someone, ANYONE, offered a rebuttal to these.
Soon, sir. Soon.
post #61 of 328
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
Q: Who's Joseph "Cotton"?
A: The enemy of automated spellcheckers everywhere.

Seriously, though. There's another important reason Third Man can't be remade, and that's the time and place in which it was filmed. Postwar Vienna is the third star of the film.
GAH - I caught one of them, I guess I let another slip by. And you're dead-right about the Postwar Vienna thing, I touched on it a bit here and there but it is certainly a relevant point.
post #62 of 328
Be cool if someone wrote a well-reasoned piece on why a Raiders remake would be awesome, even if — especially if — they themselves don't actually believe that. No joking, no obvious irony, just a straight-faced defense of the indefensible. A modest proposal, as it were.
post #63 of 328
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
Postwar Vienna is the third star of the film.
The zither is the 4th. There's no way that a remake would ever keep that wonderful score.
post #64 of 328
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
The zither is the 4th. There's no way that a remake would ever keep that wonderful score.
I'm trying to find a link to Victor Borge's spoof of it. It takes a couple of bars for one to realize he's just playing the first phrase over and over-- "It's all I know!"
post #65 of 328
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
The choices ARE obvious, but the write-ups have made for some great reading material.
The write-ups are always great. Even when some of the You Got It All Wrong choices bugged me they were good reads. The Man That Would Be King was one I'd never peg for this list and I added it to my viewing que.
post #66 of 328
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Originally Posted by Martin Blank View Post
Actual remake of Raiders: no.

Raiders: The Adaptation: hell yes. Still the best remake I've ever seen.

The main reason? Eric Zala and company had the same filmmaking zeal and passion that Spielberg did. There's a ridiculous magic in waiting to see how they're going to redo whatever scene's coming up.
Nobody commented on this post, but I agree that adaptation was special. Guess it proves that the most important thing is the right spirit of the filmmakers. Maybe why I'm an apologist for Van Sant's PSYCHO and Jackson's love letter to KONG.
post #67 of 328
At first I thought this column was a great idea. Not so much right now. The mere mention of remakes of these movies really puts me in a bad place, mentally.
post #68 of 328
Just have to applaud the choice of RAIDERS as the number two entry in this list. It's one of my favorite films of all time, and dare I say it? A perfect movie. Raiders and Indiana Jones have had an enormous influence on my life, and I've been something of an Indy super fan since age five. Some sequences, like the truck chase, are as well constructed and edited as any action scene ever put to film. The way the Williams music kicks in when you see the shot of Jones pulling his leg up onto the truck (shot from underneath the truck, after we'd just cut from a confused expression on Belloc's face as he tried to figure out where Jones went) is just perfect, and is to my mind an example of movie making brilliance

Ford's iconic portrayal can never be topped or matched, but in the wake of the IJ5 abomination, I began to wonder if I'd ever accept someone else in the role. Could a Daniel Craig or someone, if paired with a young energetic film maker with a passion for the craft of making movies (As in, NOT Steven Spielberg circa 2010), turn in a unique and worth while take on a 1930s era Dr Jones?

My answer is yes. At least until Lucas fucks with them, the original Indiana Jones films still exists untouched for us all to enjoy. Ford's Indy is immortal, and will never be forgotten. Indeed, his jacket hangs next to that of The Fonz in the Smithsonian.

Is that reason enough though to never outfit another charming, ruggedly handsome actor in a Fedora and set him loose on 30s treasure hunting nazi fighting adventures? I say no

I just wouldn't want Spielberg or Lucas involved, because at this point they've proven themselves to be foolish and self indulgent old men who've forgotten why Jones is special in the first place


EDIT: I guess I should be clear: I am NOT for remaking RAIDERS. That's hella retarded. I'm for new Indiana Jones movies made by people other than Lucas and Spielberg and starring people other than Ford (unless they wanted to digitally deage him, which would actually be my first preference)
post #69 of 328
Interesting First Three choices.
"The Man Who Would Be King" is a late bloomer. When it came out in 1975, it got lukewarm reviews;the feeling was that for a project that was John Huston's dream project,and which he had been thinking about and planning for 30 years it was a bit underwhelming,but since then it has established it place as a classic. I wonder if the very thing that a lot of people like about the film nowdays...that it was one of the last examples of classic Hollywood filmaking in the grand tradition..was what turned a number of 70's critics off since "traditional" movie making was held in a certain contempt at that time.
A remake would be an abortion..not so much because of the casting but because you w on't have Huston directing.
BTW,when Huston was trying to get this mounted in the mid 1940's, his choices for the leads were Cary Grant (who I could see as Peachy) and..beleive it or not....Bogart.

Indy One is simply untouchable

ANd the Third Man is untouchable because, as someone said, Post War Vienna is as much a star as the film as Cotton or Welles. And Carol Reed as a director is very much underappreciated today.
post #70 of 328
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
They tried with 'the Mummy'.
They tried with 'Tomb Raider'.
Hell, they even tried with 'King Soloman's Mines'.

Nobody has gotten it right.
Outside of movies, I'd say the Uncharted series has actually come pretty damn close. Whether that could make the jump to the big screen is a whole different story.
post #71 of 328
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Be cool if someone wrote a well-reasoned piece on why a Raiders remake would be awesome, even if — especially if — they themselves don't actually believe that. No joking, no obvious irony, just a straight-faced defense of the indefensible. A modest proposal, as it were.
The only approach I can see would be damage control in the form of "the remake is 100% happening, here's how we could make it not awful." Actually providing a reasonable impetus for such a remake, that I can't picture, but as you said it would be cool if someone took a stab at it.
post #72 of 328
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post #73 of 328
Nice rebuttal. The film is excellent but those cliches are worn as hell. If the remake brought some freshness to the genre (not gonna happen) than I would be for it.
post #74 of 328
I gotta say, Elisabeth, since you came to CHUD, you've become my favorite writer on the site. That SERPICO write-up is outstanding. Just stellar work.
post #75 of 328
And Nick, gotta disagree with your rebuttal, my man. You're right that it sets the standard, but I think setting the standard is enough for most movies to not be remade. Also, like Elisabeth says, there's a lot in SERPICO that happens off camera. It's streamlined that way that we rarely see Serpico actually working cases because that's really not what the movie's about. I have real difficulty believing that a remake would go this route. SERPICO's long, but in a good way. Anything added would just be bloat.
post #76 of 328
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I gotta say, Elisabeth, since you came to CHUD, you've become my favorite writer on the site. That SERPICO write-up is outstanding. Just stellar work.
Aww, thanks buddy.

ETA: I realize how egotistical this sounds. It's just that Nordling and I go way back. We have a great crew here, I'm happy to be a part of it. And I think they're all better than me
post #77 of 328
Yeah, it's not the movie's fault that the things it pioneered became standards and even easy outs for less talented people. We don't as much need a remake of Serpico in the traditional sense. Rather a remake in spirit. The movie that will provide the shorthand for the next 30 years of police fiction.
post #78 of 328
The best write up yet. Enjoying this, guys.
post #79 of 328
Love Serpico. I would fawn all over the article, but that seems a little cliche, so let me just say that it made me look at a favourite film in a new way.

Also, Nick appears to hate everything I love and love everything I hate.
post #80 of 328
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I love Serpico. Did I not mention that I love Serpico?
post #81 of 328
Both sides present a convincing case but final say should belong to the world's foremost Serpico expert: 1981 STALLONE
post #82 of 328
Can you start linking the other articles at the bottom of the current ones?

I was trying to find the first day on my phone last night and had to wade through several news pages to get to it when clicking the current link would have been faster. Thanks!
post #83 of 328
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post #84 of 328
I prefer YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN, but it's good to see Mel Brooks getting some love. Surprised no one offered a rebuttal on this, it seems to me that this would be an easy to find fault with if you really got picky.

The lists are great, but it feels like Chud has something of a hive mind right now*. You could do with someone playing Devil's Advocate. Still all the articles have been amazingly well written thus far.

*As much as I like your Boardwalk Empire analysis it feels like the multiple writers are pretty much agreeing on the same points.
post #85 of 328
This is off the top of my head, but isn't the musical number called The French Mistake?

Anyway, excellent choice and a movie I love more than Young Frankenstein to be honest. And it is good that there isn't a rebutal. I'd have to put anyone who'd argue that Blazing Saddles should be remade on ignore.
post #86 of 328
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I prefer YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN
I do too and called that a masterpiece in the article but it's sort of a remake in its own right.
post #87 of 328
Day late, but unless your name is Max Fisher stay away from Serpico.
post #88 of 328
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Anyway, excellent choice and a movie I love more than Young Frankenstein to be honest. And it is good that there isn't a rebutal. I'd have to put anyone who'd argue that Blazing Saddles should be remade on ignore.
Agreed. Young Frankenstein is a better directed and modulated movie, but Blazing Saddles is way funnier. Nick hits it dead on with the sheer variety of different types of humor the movie encompasses.

A remake of this would be watered down to pointlessness. Exhibit A: Rustler's Rhapsody. Remember that one, children of the 80's?
post #89 of 328
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
The lists are great, but it feels like Chud has something of a hive mind right now*. You could do with someone playing Devil's Advocate. Still all the articles have been amazingly well written thus far.
A Rappe on the Knuckles

There's your new "contrarian" voice/column.
post #90 of 328
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I gotta say, Elisabeth, since you came to CHUD, you've become my favorite writer on the site. That SERPICO write-up is outstanding. Just stellar work.

That was eye-poppingly good writing. Just fantastic.
post #91 of 328
The town car driving off into the sunset will always remind me of how proud I am that this film exists.
post #92 of 328
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Blazing Saddles should never be remade. Come on Smokey and the Bandit!
post #93 of 328
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And the Third Man is untouchable because, as someone said, Post War Vienna is as much a star as the film as Cotton or Welles. And Carol Reed as a director is very much underappreciated today.
I am as big a cheerleader for THE THIRD MAN as anybody you'll find, but I do think the film touches on a lot of pretty relevant themes for today, and that you could very easily see the ruins of Baghdad or Kabul or Sariejvo standing in for Vienna.*

And Elisabeth Rappe definitively stakes her claim as the best writer on the site today, one whom I will read, even if I'm not interested in what she's writing about. Not too many others I can say that about.

*With Ed Westwick as Harry Lime.
post #94 of 328
Oh, man, Blazing Saddles is a great pick for this list, because it's so indelibly of its time. Not that it's dated, but that it does things that no modern studio would approve of, or that the MPAA would go ballistic on. I don't see any comic genius out there who can do what Mel Brooks did at his prime; that is, pushing the limits of comedy without coming off as "edgy".
Favorite line that would never make it into a modern comedy:
"We'll take the chinks and the niggers, but we don't want no Irish."
post #95 of 328
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Originally Posted by Admiral Shark View Post
Favorite line that would never make it into a modern comedy:
"We'll take the chinks and the niggers, but we don't want no Irish."
I wish I was able to use this line more in everyday life.
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post #97 of 328
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Will Smith cast in the lead as a action-inclined palatable badass. Hackman returns in winking cameo.

The technology would all be heightened to the point of magic, and be aimed at the protagonists.

Car chases and cell phones!

Instead of just the paranoid tearing down of his walls and floorboards, Harry would blow up his goddamn house.

Oh, wait. Shit. Well, barring all of that...
Awesome.
post #98 of 328
One of my favorite shots is THE CONVERSATION's camera panning back and forth at the end. Love this movie.
post #99 of 328
Great entry. Hackman's best work and I might take shit for this, Coppola's. I loved Godfather as much as everyone but this is a personal favorite.

Enemy of the State was elevated by Hackman. Movie was far too boring for something so stylized.
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