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Poll Results: Should JJ Abrams enlist a Muslim in Starfleet?

 
  • 45% (21)
    Yes!
  • 54% (25)
    No!
46 Total Votes  
post #101 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:57pm
Sulu...HELLLLLO!?!

And I thought Ensign Crusher was queer.

I say combine the Muslim and the fruit and be done with it.
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post #102 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:57pm
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I'm offended that there hasn't been anyone in a wheelchair as an active member of Trek!

Also, where are the gays? GENE RODDENBERRY WAS A HOMOPHOBE.
We've had some disabled people (Geordi), but in the future spinal injuries and the like can be fixed
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post #103 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:58pm
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Gays are also feared and hated in America. How come you haven't started a campaign to put a homosexual in Star Trek?
There is a whole history to that. There was supposed to be a gay character in FIRST CONTACT, but the part got rewritten at the last minute
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post #104 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
Though discussion on the board indicated mixed opinions
"Mixed opinions" is not the proper nomenclature. They prefer "biracial opinions".
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post #105 of 117
11/8/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by First Class 782 View Post
Sulu...HELLLLLO!?!

And I thought Ensign Crusher was queer.

I say combine the Muslim and the fruit and be done with it.
Progressive!
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post #106 of 117
11/8/10 at 3:17pm
In my defense, it was tonally and intellectually consistent with the thread!

(scuttles away)
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post #107 of 117
11/8/10 at 3:28pm
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Gays are also feared and hated in America. How come you haven't started a campaign to put a homosexual in Star Trek?
To be fair that would be a far less retarded discussion. I can see a lot of people finding it problematic that a show concerned with presenting an inclusive, utopian vision of society would have no gay presence whatsoever, or even have their existence subtly implied.
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post #108 of 117
11/8/10 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
To be fair that would be a far less retarded discussion. I can see a lot of people finding it problematic that a show concerned with presenting an inclusive, utopian vision of society would have no gay presence whatsoever, or even have their existence subtly implied.
No, I agree. It would be much more interesting to discuss.
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post #109 of 117
11/8/10 at 3:35pm
This is where I'd link to that gay-themed fan-made Trek web series but look for it your damn selves.

There was also TNG ep where Riker fell for a unisex race that dealt with a bunch of gay mentaphor, or something, but they changed it.
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post #110 of 117
11/8/10 at 4:34pm
Wasn't there an eppisode with Riker falling for a man/woman charater from a race that wasn't supposed to be ether.
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post #111 of 117
11/8/10 at 4:52pm
David Gerrold wrote an episode featuring a gay couple early on in the TNG run, but Roddenberry told him to remove them. Thus the lack of David Gerrold for the remainder of the series.

I wonder if Roddenberry knew that Gerrold was gay then. Because if he did, that was a bastardly move. If he didn't, it was just ignorant and bigoted.
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post #112 of 117
11/8/10 at 5:07pm
And that story has been novelized as part of Gerrold's "Star Wolf" series.
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post #113 of 117
11/8/10 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
We've had some disabled people (Geordi), but in the future spinal injuries and the like can be fixed
Man, no they can't.

Worf had his spine crushed and it was only through an experimental treatment that he wasn't permanently paralyzed. And even then it was only because he was Klingon that the treatment didn't permanently kill him.

If you're going to make claims about Star Trek, then you should bloody well watch Star Trek.
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post #114 of 117
11/8/10 at 5:38pm
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Wasn't there an eppisode with Riker falling for a man/woman charater from a race that wasn't supposed to be ether.
The Trill race were also introduced in a TNG episode where Beverly Crusher's Trill boyfriend lost his host body. The Trill wanted to continue the relationship after getting a new, female, host body. The break-up was awkward, but about as respectful as 80's television ever got toward handling gay issues.

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This thread actually scares me. Not only does it spectaculary miss the point of Star Trek and show a lack knoweledge of the show, it's also displays the same ignorance it's supposed to be railing against.

I'm afraid to say Kate you have dissapointed me.
This is a point that a few of us have kept repeating, and it's fallen on deaf ears, Kate, but equating Middle Easterners with Muslims is an ethnic slur. It's a slur that you insist on sticking with no matter how many times it's been pointed out, and in the crazy roller coaster that has been your membership on this board, this is the most genuinely offensive goddamn thing you've ever posted here.

I'd love for you to meet the Lebanese family I'm friends with, the Al-Khouris, and keep insisting to those Othrodox Christians that they're really Muslims, and that identifying them as Muslims is your way of promoting understanding.

Your racism isn't what the trolls on the board pick on you for, Kate, but it's damn sure killing any sympathy I might have had.
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post #115 of 117
11/8/10 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post
The Trill race were also introduced in a TNG episode where Beverly Crusher's Trill boyfriend lost his host body. The Trill wanted to continue the relationship after getting a new, female, host body. The break-up was awkward, but about as respectful as 80's television ever got toward handling gay issues.
Actually, DS9 did a similar story with Dax. The episode ended with Trek's first lesbian kiss. Terry Farrell really went all the way with it, too.
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post #116 of 117
11/8/10 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
David Gerrold wrote an episode featuring a gay couple early on in the TNG run, but Roddenberry told him to remove them. Thus the lack of David Gerrold for the remainder of the series.

I wonder if Roddenberry knew that Gerrold was gay then. Because if he did, that was a bastardly move. If he didn't, it was just ignorant and bigoted.
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Originally Posted by Matt Hindmarch View Post
And that story has been novelized as part of Gerrold's "Star Wolf" series.
Also see (or really, don't, it's boring) "Blood and Fire", which was adapted and directed by Gerrold as a two-part episode of the New Voyages fan series.
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post #117 of 117
11/8/10 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Actually, DS9 did a similar story with Dax. The episode ended with Trek's first lesbian kiss. Terry Farrell really went all the way with it, too.
Thing is, these little examples just show how non-committally Star Trek has pussyfooted around sexuality issues. I can understand that they probably didn't want to be seen as adding potentially controversial political and sexual undertones to a mostly politically neutral family tv show. But the truly Trekkian approach would just have been to throw in the occasional same sex couple and have them accepted without comment, and it's disappointing that they're still so reluctant to take a stand on it.

As for Roddenberry, sounds like he went through a change of heart on the whole gay thing, but popped his clogs before anything could make it into the show:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_Star_Trek
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