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Poll Results: Should JJ Abrams enlist a Muslim in Starfleet?

 
  • 45% (21)
    Yes!
  • 54% (25)
    No!
46 Total Votes  
post #51 of 117
10/26/10 at 1:58am
Heh, and he was genetically superior to everyone.
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post #52 of 117
10/26/10 at 1:59am
Hey, maybe the next one should be about the Romulans wanting to build a Romulan Community Center where Vulcan used to be, and Starfleet ends up being okay with it. That would be relevant, right?
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post #53 of 117
10/26/10 at 2:00am
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Heh, and he was genetically superior to everyone.
Well that's just because we are.

Hey-O!
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post #54 of 117
10/26/10 at 2:31am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Well that's just because we are.
Whoa. I've always pronounced your name like, well a redneck would. But it's more like Ziva's name in NCIS, huh? Daveed? Unless I misread something, then I apologize. Heh.
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post #55 of 117
10/26/10 at 2:42am
No, it's pronounced the "normal" way. And it's actually only three generations old. My grandfather's name got screwed up during immigration, and like a lot of immigrants at the time, he just thought he was being given an American name, and went with it.
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post #56 of 117
10/26/10 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
Therefore the only way to make the point is by casting with an ethnicity that Americans universally identify as "Muslim"
Because FUCK the Hindus and Middle Eastern Jews.

"Brown = Muslim" got a Hindu gas station attendant murdered right after 9/11. You're pissing on that guy's grave, Kate!

Nice Photoshop work on post #1, though.
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post #57 of 117
10/26/10 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
I don't remember Star Trek ever so much as mentioning a specific modern real world religion*, so I sort of doubt they'd start doing it now just for the sake of tokenism. As for having a major character of middle-eastern decent, that would be perfectly fitting. But then that's not the question you were asking...
Apparently no one remembers the episode from TOS when Kirk & Co. end up on a planet reliving the Roman Empire, replete with what they think are "sun" worshippers. Uhuru corrects Kirk and Spock at the end of the episode, telling them it's "Son", not sun. These proto-Christians are being persecuted and sacrificed in the Roman games, IIRC.
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post #58 of 117
10/26/10 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
Apparently no one remembers the episode from TOS when Kirk & Co. end up on a planet reliving the Roman Empire, replete with what they think are "sun" worshippers. Uhuru corrects Kirk and Spock at the end of the episode, telling them it's "Son", not sun. These proto-Christians are being persecuted and sacrificed in the Roman games, IIRC.
Correct. I should have specified that I meant crew members. Spock meditates (and then mostly in the films), but that's about it.
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post #59 of 117
10/26/10 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Because FUCK the Hindus and Middle Eastern Jews.

"Brown = Muslim" got a Hindu gas station attendant murdered right after 9/11. You're pissing on that guy's grave, Kate!

Nice Photoshop work on post #1, though.

Actually, calling him Hindu is pissing on his grave, the guy you're talking about was Indian but he was a Sikh! Brown, bearded, and turbined, Bin Laden really put it to the American Sikh community.

A number of the attacks have been against non muslims, since only a third of Arab Americans are Muslim, most of them are actually Christian. Around the time that Sikh was shot, an American Egyptian Christian was killed, and so was a Pakistani Muslim. I don't think people care if their victim is Arab Christian or Arab Muslim, both are hated. As Kate pointed out, even Christian American Arabs who joined the ground zero mosques were told "Go home." Even though there is no nuance in peoples understanding I don't see why we should scoff at Kates idea. The racist murders and attacks against Muslims, Arabs, Mosques, and ppl caught in the cross hairs in the US is quite serious, and one one really seems to care, so positive media roles is a good idea.
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post #60 of 117
10/26/10 at 10:03am
More graves, more piss!
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post #61 of 117
10/26/10 at 10:21am
LOL. Youz a funny lady. I only remember that so clearly because, at Umich, all the Sikhs were so upset they wore "We're not Muslim" t-shirts. It really warmed my heart. One of my Sikh friends used to get shit from people ALL the time.
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post #62 of 117
10/26/10 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
Apparently no one remembers the episode from TOS when Kirk & Co. end up on a planet reliving the Roman Empire, replete with what they think are "sun" worshippers. Uhuru corrects Kirk and Spock at the end of the episode, telling them it's "Son", not sun. These proto-Christians are being persecuted and sacrificed in the Roman games, IIRC.
I do remember that episode, however developmentally (both intellectually and technologically) they are way behind Kirk & Co. In a few thousand years they too may have outgrown religion. I remember Uhura explaining it as well but it was more of a teacher's explanation, which would add credence to Rath's earlier post about the future using old beliefs to study as philosophies.

There was also an episode called "The Way to Eden" where a bunch of hippies hijack the Enterprise to get to paradise.

So religion isn't completely ignored in the old Trek, but many of the episodes and themes were more about politics than anything else.
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post #63 of 117
10/26/10 at 10:59am
So in order to honor Roddenberry's post-everything vision, we should cast someone specifically for their race, and not their acting ability? A race which won't matter in Roddenberry's vision?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha!

Irony is awesome.
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post #64 of 117
10/26/10 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Because FUCK the Hindus and Middle Eastern Jews.

"Brown = Muslim" got a Hindu gas station attendant murdered right after 9/11. You're pissing on that guy's grave, Kate!

Nice Photoshop work on post #1, though.
Am I missing something? Is the middle east a hot bed of Hindu activity? It seems like people are going out of their way to twist my intention here and suggest absurd things when what I'm talking about couldn't be simpler: casting a middle eastern male as a main character in the next trek. I know that hindus are not muslim, and I'm not suggesting casting someone from India in the role*. I'd want someone of middle eastern descent, preferably a muslim actor, though obviously his character wouldn't have a religion


And thanks! I spent an unreasonably long time on that night

*and just in case people once again think I'm saying something I'm not... I'm aware there are muslims in India. You can't tell from a glance looking at an indian though whether or not that actor is a muslim or a hindu. If you cast an arab in the role, it's clear the statement you're making
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Actually, calling him Hindu is pissing on his grave, the guy you're talking about was Indian but he was a Sikh! Brown, bearded, and turbined, Bin Laden really put it to the American Sikh community.

A number of the attacks have been against non muslims, since only a third of Arab Americans are Muslim, most of them are actually Christian. Around the time that Sikh was shot, an American Egyptian Christian was killed, and so was a Pakistani Muslim. I don't think people care if their victim is Arab Christian or Arab Muslim, both are hated. As Kate pointed out, even Christian American Arabs who joined the ground zero mosques were told "Go home." Even though there is no nuance in peoples understanding I don't see why we should scoff at Kates idea. The racist murders and attacks against Muslims, Arabs, Mosques, and ppl caught in the cross hairs in the US is quite serious, and one one really seems to care, so positive media roles is a good idea.

Thanks, glad you can see what I'm talking about
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Originally Posted by First Class 782 View Post
So in order to honor Roddenberry's post-everything vision, we should cast someone specifically for their race, and not their acting ability? A race which won't matter in Roddenberry's vision?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha!

Irony is awesome.
Rodenberry did just that. Cast people for their race. Are you suggestion there are no good muslim actors? I don't know why you think I'm suggesting they hire an untalented person..
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post #65 of 117
10/26/10 at 12:26pm
Thread Starter 
Oops double post sorry
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post #66 of 117
10/26/10 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
Cast people for their race. Are you suggestion there are no good muslim actors?

Muslim is not a race.
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post #67 of 117
10/26/10 at 1:00pm
I am absolutely suggestion that there are no good Muslim actors. I am also suggestion that there are no good black, brown, yellow, or red actors.

White males, over the age of 40 preferably. Like Gene Roddenberry. And they need to be straight, or capable of playing straight, like Colin Farrell.

Why not do something like Yul Brynner in The King and I or Ted Danson in Made In America?

Then you get the best of both worlds. Like the TNG episodes.
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post #68 of 117
10/26/10 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by Don S. View Post
Muslim is not a race.
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Muslim is not a race.
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Muslim is not a race.
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Muslim is not a race.
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Muslim is not a race.
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Muslim is not a race.
...because apparently someone's autism is getting in the way of their comprehension.
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post #69 of 117
10/26/10 at 8:43pm
While Roddenberry crafted a heck of a lot of good stuff for Star Trek, he also had a heck of lot of crappy ideas. Being completely beholden to what Roddenberry wanted to do, or to use him to justify anything regardless of its actual quality is stupid.
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post #70 of 117
10/26/10 at 8:46pm
To further prove Neoolong's post, I point you to Season 1 of Star Trek: TNG.
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post #71 of 117
10/26/10 at 8:50pm
Of course there are no good Muslim actors. For a Muslim acting in a film is portraying a graven image of Allah's creation and thereby a blasphemy. Why do you think they got Antonio Banderas to be a Muslim in The 13th Warrior. Duh!
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post #72 of 117
10/26/10 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by MrTyres View Post
To further prove Neoolong's post, I point you to Season 1 of Star Trek: TNG.
Most of TNG actually.
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post #73 of 117
10/26/10 at 10:59pm
Roddenberry's idea, which was repeated over and over in TOS , the the 1st and 5th movies, and some episodes of TNG, was that the crew of the Enterprise would actually find God or a God-like super powerful being, only God would turn out to be a child, or a moron. He was pretty clear that the Star Trek universe abounds with various kinds of existence, but no One True God
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post #74 of 117
10/27/10 at 3:03am
Michael Moriarty, star of TROLL, Q: THE WINGED SERPENT, and LAW & ORDER, votes "no".
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post #75 of 117
10/27/10 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
While Roddenberry crafted a heck of a lot of good stuff for Star Trek, he also had a heck of lot of crappy ideas. Being completely beholden to what Roddenberry wanted to do, or to use him to justify anything regardless of its actual quality is stupid.
That's a bingo!
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post #76 of 117
11/7/10 at 2:34pm
Thread Starter 
Well it's been two weeks since I posted my poll so I figured I'd return for a wrap up analysis:

Though discussion on the board indicated mixed opinions, ultimately the voting went in favor of a Muslim (middle eastern actor) being cast in the role. Interesting!
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post #77 of 117
11/7/10 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
Well it's been two weeks since I posted my poll so I figured I'd return for a wrap up analysis:

Though discussion on the board indicated mixed opinions, ultimately the voting went in favor of a Muslim (middle eastern actor) being cast in the role. Interesting!
And you still don't seem to understand the difference between a Muslim and someone of middle-eastern descent.
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post #78 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:00am
Surprising no one.
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post #79 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:05am
I voted no, so now it's a tie again. It's a slippery slope. You cast a Muslim, and suddenly you have to cast a Hindu, and a Mormon, and a Buddhist, and it just never ends. Damned affirmative action.
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post #80 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:11am
I wanna know why it's gotta be an enlisted Muslim. Why can't Abrams commission a Muslim, huh?

Princess Kate, keepin' em down.
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post #81 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
I voted no, so now it's a tie again. It's a slippery slope. You cast a Muslim, and suddenly you have to cast a Hindu, and a Mormon, and a Buddhist, and it just never ends. Damned affirmative action.
Never a Mormon. The Princess has gone on record as hating them.
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post #82 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by Jared Melton View Post
I wanna know why it's gotta be an enlisted Muslim. Why can't Abrams commission a Muslim, huh?

Princess Kate, keepin' em down.
Ironically, enlisted ranks are pretty much nonexistant in Star Trek. Damn near everyone's an officer. Chief O'Brien is one of the few to ever be a recurring/major character I believe.

If there was an enlisted Muslim character, he'd have one line and be working the transporter or be in engineering or something.
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post #83 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Ironically, enlisted ranks are pretty much nonexistant in Star Trek. Damn near everyone's an officer. Chief O'Brien is one of the few to ever be a recurring/major character I believe.
I always assumed the narrative was intentionally focusing on the officers for the purpose of plot.

Like... the people you occasionally see running around in the background with no lines are the enlisted folk just going about their day-to-day.*




*In the new ST, there are a LOT more people running around in the background, however.
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post #84 of 117
11/8/10 at 5:02am
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Never a Mormon. The Princess has gone on record as hating them.
Somebody needs an intervention. I say we dispatch a team of Mormons to her house on a Sunday afternoon to hash this out.
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post #85 of 117
11/8/10 at 5:30am
How did I manage to miss this gem of a thread?

My two cents? Definitely no. Fact one. Muslims don't believe in space. Which leads us to fact two. That due to their non-belief, Muslims implode when exceeding Low Earth Orbit. Having Muslims that far into outer space would instantly break my suspension of disbelief.
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post #86 of 117
11/8/10 at 5:52am
I have the solution. Put one of these guys on the Bridge.

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post #87 of 117
11/8/10 at 10:38am
This thread actually scares me. Not only does it spectaculary miss the point of Star Trek and show a lack knoweledge of the show, it's also displays the same ignorance it's supposed to be railing against.

I'm afraid to say Kate you have dissapointed me.
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post #88 of 117
11/8/10 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
My two cents? Definitely no. Fact one. Muslims don't believe in space.
Here is how far my ignorance goes, I actually don't know if you're kidding or not. I mean, the Amish still believe the world is flat, so....
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post #89 of 117
11/8/10 at 11:53am
It's sciense* Chris, are you going to argue with my vast background in sciense?

*In contrast to actual science, sciense is mostly made up. It's PK's Ph.D.
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post #90 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
This thread actually scares me. Not only does it spectaculary miss the point of Star Trek and show a lack knoweledge of the show, it's also displays the same ignorance it's supposed to be railing against.

I'm afraid to say Kate you have dissapointed me.
I am sorry to hear you feel that way, Ken. I assure you my intentions were only to foster greater fellowship among the people of this green planet
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post #91 of 117
11/8/10 at 12:42pm
This looks like a job for John Rhys Davies!
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post #92 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
This thread actually scares me. Not only does it spectaculary miss the point of Star Trek and show a lack knoweledge of the show, it's also displays the same ignorance it's supposed to be railing against.

I'm afraid to say Kate you have dissapointed me.
Somebody in this thread nailed it, Kate is the opposite of a racist ugly American. She tries so hard to be PC and accepting and tolerant that it comes off as offensive.
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post #93 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:34pm
Yes, it's sort of like saying Kirk should make out with an Asian woman in the next movie because that would show everyone that Asian women are OK.
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post #94 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
Yes, it's sort of like saying Kirk should make out with an Asian woman in the next movie because that would show everyone that Asian women are OK.
I'm offended that there hasn't been anyone in a wheelchair as an active member of Trek!

Also, where are the gays? GENE RODDENBERRY WAS A HOMOPHOBE.
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post #95 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:40pm
Kirk should DEFINITELY do a chick in a wheelchair.

And she should beep once for yes and twice for no.
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post #96 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
Kirk should DEFINITELY do a chick in a wheelchair.

And she should beep once for yes and twice for no.
Her beeps mean no, but her eyes say YES.
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post #97 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes View Post
Somebody in this thread nailed it, Kate is the opposite of a racist ugly American. .
Is this bad? Am I missing something?

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Yes, it's sort of like saying Kirk should make out with an Asian woman in the next movie because that would show everyone that Asian women are OK.
It's nothing like that, because Asian American women are currently not the subject of great fear and racism in America.

My idea draws inspiration from ST TOS where they had a Russian, an American, a Japanese person and a black woman all working side by side

I am frankly stunned people are being so deliberately obtuse about that. My idea is as Star Treky as they come. In the 50s and 60s, generic movie bad guys would often be Russian. Roddenberry sought to combat that by casting someone to play one in a 'hero' role on his show.

The same should go for Muslims (Don't pretend I think all muslims are from the middle east, I already explained what I was talking about at length on this -- long story short, if you cast an Indonesian person no tea bagger would have a clue he was muslim) on the New Trek given how they're currently America's number one boogyman
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post #98 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:47pm
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Is this bad? Am I missing something?
No, you just deliberately deleted the relevant portion of the post you quoted.
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post #99 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:48pm
[QUOTE=Princess Kate;3068447] Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes View Post
Somebody in this thread nailed it, Kate is the opposite of a racist ugly American. .
Is this bad? Am I missing something? /QUOTE]

Read the rest of my post, you ninny.
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post #100 of 117
11/8/10 at 2:54pm
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Is this bad? Am I missing something?



It's nothing like that, because Asian American women are currently not the subject of great fear and racism in America.

My idea draws inspiration from ST TOS where they had a Russian, an American, a Japanese person and a black woman all working side by side

I am frankly stunned people are being so deliberately obtuse about that. My idea is as Star Treky as they come. In the 50s and 60s, generic movie bad guys would often be Russian. Roddenberry sought to combat that by casting someone to play one in a 'hero' role on his show.

The same should go for Muslims (Don't pretend I think all muslims are from the middle east, I already explained what I was talking about at length on this -- long story short, if you cast an Indonesian person no tea bagger would have a clue he was muslim) on the New Trek given how they're currently America's number one boogyman
Gays are also feared and hated in America. How come you haven't started a campaign to put a homosexual in Star Trek?
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