THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Pre-Release Thread - Page 19

Why does he have to talk like that all the time? In that one scene in TDK  where he was talking to Lucius about the sonar, they were the only 2 people in the room. Why couldnt he talk normally? Fox knows who he is, he doesnt have to hide anything from him.

PS, I have never read the comics or watched the cartoons, so I am not so knowledgeable on the character.

It's a discipline!  He's gotta keep up the facade!

Also, he's insane.

I've harped on this before, but there is voice-distorting component of the suit's cowl. I'm still baffled that they've never taken the beat to mention it. It's how they (conceptually, at least) get away with processing his voice so much. Not all of that gravel is Bale.

Yeah.  I remember you mentioning it in the TDK thread a long time ago.  I think someone even brought up the fact that it was described in some "Technology of Batman" book or something.

That early scene where he's talking to Gordon in the bank is where it just popped out like crazy.  I remember thinking, "Jeez, what is up with that?  It can't be the IMAX sound system amping it up that much..."  Even if it was mentioned in the movie, I still think it was a bit much.  I think it's toned down in the rest of the movie.  But it made its mark.

I hadn't heard that before Renn but it would've been a nice little throw-away to help squash the complaints of some folks.

That said, the whole scene with Lucius... I thought the idea was pretty much that when he's in that costume, he ain't exactly himself any longer. Never really understood the complaint with that particular scene.

Are we STILL talking about his voice??

ALWAYS.

Yep

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

LaBeouf says his last three big films sucked. Hardy says there's little artistic challenge for an actor making a huge blockbuster. The two are barely comparable.

 

Agreed.  Hardy is basically saying that while he is under more constraints creatively on a big picture like The Dark Knight Rises, such a project is still worthwhile to him in a variety of ways (financially, heavier exposure, working with stars, etc.).  While it might sound like a negative comment, he is still being polite and professional about it.  In the end, I don't think it is going to hurt him.  Right now, his career is going nowhere but up.  Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, This Mean's War, The Wettest Country In The World, The Dark Knight Rises, Cicero, the new Mad Max trilogy, etc.  He's on the new Hollywood hot list and will likely stay there for quite awhile.

LaBeouf, on the other hand, is basically flatout calling Transformers 2&3 and Indy 4 pieces of shit.  Considering the fact that practically nothing he has done outside of either franchise has been profitable (with the exception of Disturbia) and the fact that almost every project he has tried to set up for himself post-Transformers has fallen apart (The Associate, Necessary Death of Charlie, Young Republicans, Hell's Angels, etc.), things are not really looking bright for Shia outside of his participation in John Hillcoat's The Wettest Country In The World.  I won't be surprised if he tries to come crawling back to Indy 5 and Transformers 4 if and when they happen.  The question is will Steven Spielberg allow it?

It is kind of irrelevant to judge the situation by which guy's statements are gonna be more damaging to their careers, or by who is more talented, or by who has more upcoming projects. It's the principle that's more important, and both of them are equally guilty of violating it -- despite the fact that Hardy is more overt and I would even say pretentious about his artistic ambitions, which seems to disguise his lack of good common courtesy at first.

Certainly.  I still stand by the Harrison Ford "shut your mouth" school of thought in this regard.  It is disrespectful and unprofessional to disparage the films you are working on.  If you think they are that bad, then you shouldn't sign up in the first place.  Obviously really aren't "too good" to appear in it if you are willing to take the paycheck.  I'm just agreeing that Hardy was a little more tactful in his unprofessional remarks.

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Grant Morrison pointed this out at Comic-Con, but this article is a perfect analysis of Bane

 

http://mindlessones.com/2011/01/25/rogues-review-3-bane/

 

I also continue to be shocked at how my (shaky) theory about the Burton/Schumacher/Nolan movies holds up: each movie is a product of a decade, chronologically, of the comic. Batman '89 is the psychotic, gun wielding killer of mobsters of 1939; Batman Returns is the super villain fighter of the '40s; Batman Forever is the giant typewriter, sci-fi villain fighter; Batman & Robin is the '60s campy tv show; Batman Begins is the Denny O'Neil '70s; Dark Knight is the Frank Miller/Alan Moore era of the '80s; and now Dark Knight Rises is the '90s with Bane and (presumably) Catwoman t&a.

 

That's not a dig, I actually like Knightfall.

Holy shit, you too huh? I've been saying the exact damned thing for years now. Also don't forget the continuity reset at more or less roughly about at the same point (Crisis on Infinite Earths/Nolan reboot and all that: it's a little off if you're gonna equate Begins to the Denny O'Neil stuff, but it still mostly works all the same).

Also great article, and count me in as a huge Knightfall fan as well. Fuck all the Bane detractors, every last one, especially the ones who haven't bothered to actually read Knightfall (and Vengeance of Bane while we're at it) before bitching and rolling their eyes. Whatever future comics and other media adaptations might have done to water down the character (and god knows that pretty much every other piece of non-comics media has done more than their fair share), within the confines of Knightfall/Vengeance of Bane, that 'roided up Luchador from hell was fucking aces and more than earned his place among the Bat's legendary rogues gallery.

"If I didn't want his blood so bad, I would almost pity him."

Leaving work a few nights ago, I saw the Bat Signal on the Highmark/Blue Cross building in downtown Pittsburgh.

I think they'll definitely tone down the Bat-voice in this one, given the amount of flack they've taken for it over the years.  It's basically just about the ONLY complaint that ever comes up about TDK, for the most part.

Ladies and gentlemen....Bane in full wardrobe. Can't wait for this damn movie!

I'm sold. He looks like a monster.

The perhaps ill-advised posting of this picture aside, it appears that he's standing on top of an original desert cammo Tumbler. Interesting.

Hmmm. Kinda reminiscent of the Friday the 13th remake Jason.

Wonder what the militia looking dudes are all about.

I thought it was Modine's "Nixon" character at first. The idea that Bane is rolling in the streets of Gotham in a Tumbler flanked by what appear to be a small army of mercs is really interesting to me. Could be that he's positioning himself as a replacement for Batman, which may sort of imply that Nolan has lifted elements of Jean Paul Valley's character and applied it to Bane. Someone mentioned The Dark Knight Returns and the Mutants and all that, and I sort of get that vibe as well, structurally speaking.

Also, I mentioned the possible Roy Batty / Bane connection a while back, nice to see some of that idea kind of traveling around.

I think Bane having a Tumbler, adds to the speculation that Miranda Tate turns out to be Talia Al Ghul.

We know that Miranda works on the board of Wayne Enterprises, who's to say that she doesn't help Bane obtain a Tumber from their weapons divesion?  Lucious did make mention of "two"tumblers jumping over a river to make a bridge (but that bridge never worked right), so it's not a stretch to say that Wayne Enterprises had another Tumbler.  The one Bruce took for a test drive in BB, was camo too. 

Don't know about the outfit... I could do without the coat.  Makes me think of Highlander: The Source for some reason.  And that's NOT good.

As for posting the pics... as long as they're spoiler tagged, I don't know what the issue is.

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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny 

 The idea that Bane is rolling in the streets of Gotham in a Tumbler flanked by what appear to be a small army of mercs is really interesting to me. Could be that he's positioning himself as a replacement for Batman, which may sort of imply that Nolan has lifted elements of Jean Paul Valley's character and applied it to Bane. 

The first thing Bane does after breaking Batman is present his body to a crowd, and declares himself the new "Ruler of the Night". He's always been showboating, pompous ass. Tearing up Harvey's picture is right in line with the character.

Perhaps he's just a bit chilly. Even big men need to wrap up warm in Gotham!

There's also footage doing the rounds of the Tumblers being used in Pittsburg. All three have the same old camo paintjob but while one looks exactly like the original, the other two have different passenger windows and extra armour plating on that side for some reason. Perhaps a shields feature ala the '89 car's?

Probably more than one was made, that's all.

Bane has studied Batman. And thus, now he builds tumblers!

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Originally Posted by Sentinel Red 

Perhaps he's just a bit chilly. Even big men need to wrap up warm in Gotham!

 

There's also footage doing the rounds of the Tumblers being used in Pittsburg. All three have the same old camo paintjob but while one looks exactly like the original, the other two have different passenger windows and extra armour plating on that side for some reason. Perhaps a shields feature ala the '89 car's?

I am thinking the two oddity tumblers will be used for in vehicle footage. Or perhaps stunt tumblers. Or, knowing Nolan, there will be some strange functionality to them that makes perfect sense in this universe.

Re-watching The Dark Knight now. Ah, these photos and rabid fan speculation bring me back to 2007 for TDK. So many interesting theories. So much fun.

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Originally Posted by Sentinel Red 

Perhaps he's just a bit chilly. Even big men need to wrap up warm in Gotham!

 

There's also footage doing the rounds of the Tumblers being used in Pittsburg. All three have the same old camo paintjob but while one looks exactly like the original, the other two have different passenger windows and extra armour plating on that side for some reason. Perhaps a shields feature ala the '89 car's?

Actually, Nolan is adding in "cgi" snowflakes.  This is supposed to take place in winter, that is why he is wearing a winter jacket.

I think the other two tumblers are for shooting purposes.  They all represent the same one.  One is built for close shots, one is built for speed with lighter parts, and one is built to smash through sets.  Like I said, the Tumbler he is standing on, is probably the one from the first movie.
 

Going back to the voice: didn't Bale, not in costume, use it when he came across the tied up honor guard police in TDK?

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Originally Posted by Walker 

Going back to the voice: didn't Bale, not in costume, use it when he came across the tied up honor guard police in TDK?

 

Sort of....he spoke a little more harshly. But the really weird instance was when the Joker crashed Wayne's party; when he (Wayne) was dragging Dent away, he spoke to Rachel in the full-on Batvoice, with no suit to augment. I have to assume that was on purpose, so I'm guessing it was Nolan's audio cue to tell the audience Bruce had mentally switched over to Batmode.

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Originally Posted by Chaz 

Leaving work a few nights ago, I saw the Bat Signal on the Highmark/Blue Cross building in downtown Pittsburgh.

Nice.

Prit sure the batsymbol seen on the building in Pittsburgh wasn't part of filming, but was the city welcoming the production. Nolan, Bale and some others did a "glad to be here" press conference" the next day.

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Originally Posted by MichaelM 

Sort of....he spoke a little more harshly. But the really weird instance was when the Joker crashed Wayne's party; when he (Wayne) was dragging Dent away, he spoke to Rachel in the full-on Batvoice, with no suit to augment. I have to assume that was on purpose, so I'm guessing it was Nolan's audio cue to tell the audience Bruce had mentally switched over to Batmode.

Why time has never taken to show a plot beat explaining the suit's ability to change Bruce's voice, because it doesn't.

Thanks for the legwork, Michael!

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Originally Posted by Jaquio 

 

Holy shit, you too huh? I've been saying the exact damned thing for years now. Also don't forget the continuity reset at more or less roughly about at the same point (Crisis on Infinite Earths/Nolan reboot and all that: it's a little off if you're gonna equate Begins to the Denny O'Neil stuff, but it still mostly works all the same).

 

Also great article, and count me in as a huge Knightfall fan as well. Fuck all the Bane detractors, every last one, especially the ones who haven't bothered to actually read Knightfall (and Vengeance of Bane while we're at it) before bitching and rolling their eyes. Whatever future comics and other media adaptations might have done to water down the character (and god knows that pretty much every other piece of non-comics media has done more than their fair share), within the confines of Knightfall/Vengeance of Bane, that 'roided up Luchador from hell was fucking aces and more than earned his place among the Bat's legendary rogues gallery.

 

"If I didn't want his blood so bad, I would almost pity him."

Where can you find Vengeance of Bane? The wonders of the internets? I've read the entire Knightfall storyline and quite enjoyed it.
 

It have been years since I saw it so I can't point exactly the scene/moment. It has Bruce seconds after Joker crashed in the party, he is in fullmode Bat voice. It was discussed at the TDK thread back in the old days. Some of us have commented on it as a nice weird touch from Bale.

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It have been years since I saw it so I can't point exactly the scene/moment. It has Bruce seconds after Joker crashed in the party, he is in fullmode Bat voice. It was discussed at the TDK thread back in the old days. Some of us have commented on it as a nice weird touch from Bale.

The post-release thread is why I know exactly where it takes place - I didn't catch the vocal transition when I saw the film in the theater, but it was Diva (I think) who pointed out the change in that thread. It still strikes me as weird, because the official BEGINS guide plainly says the batsuit contains a voice modulator/microphone to disguise Bruce's voice....and yet he's in full Batvoice in that scene in TDK, when he's still in Bruce Wayne clothing.

Very possible Nolan and the team who wrote this guide you talk about never touched base with each other. I don't count stuff like that as anything official. I mean, there were Robin action figures when Batman Returns came out.

Were they black?

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Originally Posted by Walker 

Very possible Nolan and the team who wrote this guide you talk about never touched base with each other. I don't count stuff like that as anything official. I mean, there were Robin action figures when Batman Returns came out.

Huh - didn't know that, but then again, I'm not an action figure guy. Wasn't then, either (I was 24 when RETURNS first came out).

I've submitted the original pix as a scoop, but among the images and videos that have surfaced this week from TDKR filming in Pittsburgh, a pretty big damn spoiler seems to have been let loose, but it won't come as much of a surprise to many here:

voice modulator?  first I've heard of that.

Robin was pasty white.

Poor, poor Marlon Wayans.

yeah, the makes shit up all the time.  I remember Lizard and Kraven figures for Spiderman 3

Holy crap, I had that Robin action figure.  I feel old.  Sorry for the derail.  Carry on...

Getty Images has posted a set of photos snapped during a pretty big fight scene. Beware that some of these could constitute MAJOR spoilers, so click at your own peril.

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-GB&family=editorial&p=batman&assetType=image

My favorite:

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Originally Posted by MichaelM 

Sort of....he spoke a little more harshly. But the really weird instance was when the Joker crashed Wayne's party; when he (Wayne) was dragging Dent away, he spoke to Rachel in the full-on Batvoice, with no suit to augment. I have to assume that was on purpose, so I'm guessing it was Nolan's audio cue to tell the audience Bruce had mentally switched over to Batmode.

What? I didn't think he spoke at all while he was dragging Dent away. It was only Rachel talking, exclaiming "What are you DOING?". I like how, after The Joker drops Rachel out the window and Batman saves her, he talks normally. When she asks him about Dent, Batman says, "He's safe" with just the Bruce Wayne voice. At least for once he didn't use that lame put-on voice. He should at least talk in his normal voice to people like Rachel and Lucious.

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Originally Posted by Naisu Baddi 

What? I didn't think he spoke at all while he was dragging Dent away. It was only Rachel talking, exclaiming "What are you DOING?". I like how, after The Joker drops Rachel out the window and Batman saves her, he talks normally. When she asks him about Dent, Batman says, "He's safe" with just the Bruce Wayne voice. At least for once he didn't use that lame put-on voice. He should at least talk in his normal voice to people like Rachel and Lucious.

 

Go back and watch the scene. After Rachel yells at Bruce, he replies - in the Batvoice - "They're here" or something like that. Unmistakably the Batvoice, out of costume.

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Originally Posted by MichaelM 

Getty Images has posted a set of photos snapped during a pretty big fight scene. Beware that some of these could constitute MAJOR spoilers, so click at your own peril.

 

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-GB&family=editorial&p=batman&assetType=image

 

My favorite:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 

Is that a SMILE I see?

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Is that a SMILE I see?

 

He looks so happy!

Also:

Could this be before Bane gets the chemical treatment? Cause, he ain't very big, and ol' Bats seems to handling himself pretty well. In the teaser it's pretty clear Bane towers over Batman at some point.