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post #1 of 27
11/1/10 at 12:30pm
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Massive Mo-Cap feature gets an Empire feature, and some new images.

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post #2 of 27
11/1/10 at 12:43pm
It looks like...Tintin. *shrug*
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post #3 of 27
11/1/10 at 12:44pm
I'm waiting for footage as I'm still very cold to this whole thing. I don't really know anything about the property and sadly am suspect of those involved based on their ability to do action adventure in the past 5 years.
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post #4 of 27
11/1/10 at 12:52pm
I have a friend who is very in to Tin Tin. I never really bothered to try it, it just didn't seem like my thing. With that said, these images are.... CGI Tin Tin. They don't look at all exciting to me, and as others have stated, I don't even have faith that the action will be good given the fact it's Spielberg involved.

Seems like a big waste of money* given how expensive these improbable blockbusters reportedly were to finance

* a waste artistically, perhaps Europe will make it a success financially
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post #5 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:02pm
don't understand why the art style is so far removed from the beautiful clear line art from the books. I'm sure it would be easier to use the mo-cap stuff as the basis for a more stylized look than this. Why do american film makers/studios have such a fascination with rendering everything "realistically"?
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post #6 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:11pm
It's insane that there are still Americans who can't see past the ends of their own noses when it comes to source material. And who also can't see past CRYSTAL SKULL, as if it's some defining statement on Spielberg's ability to do action. Spielberg, the man who did WAR OF THE WORLDS less than three years before INDY IV, and MINORITY REPORT three years before that.
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post #7 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:15pm
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don't understand why the art style is so far removed from the beautiful clear line art from the books. I'm sure it would be easier to use the mo-cap stuff as the basis for a more stylized look than this. Why do american film makers/studios have such a fascination with rendering everything "realistically"?
I'm with you. These shots look like they could just as easily have come from A Christmas Carol, or The Goon. I was hoping for something a little more unique (even though Tin Tin has always looked too much like a young Dagwood to me).

I think that Spielberg's team was so preoccupied about whether or not they could do something that they didn't stop to think about whether or not they should. Wow... that sounds so familiar.

Slightly off topic (but only slightly) I'm finally watching Secret of the Kells and loving the way they disregard perspective and depth in favor of keeping the artwork conspicuously 2-D.
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post #8 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:17pm
Also, I can't believe that they built the ship on land! Obviously, this movie is going to suck.
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post #9 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:51pm
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It's insane that there are still Americans who can't see past the ends of their own noses when it comes to source material. And who also can't see past CRYSTAL SKULL, as if it's some defining statement on Spielberg's ability to do action. Spielberg, the man who did WAR OF THE WORLDS less than three years before INDY IV, and MINORITY REPORT three years before that.
Yes ,yes I'm a white trash Git R' Dun American because I don't know much about this property..fine

That withstanding are you really shooting for the quality level of War of the Worlds for this thing? It is a non-offensive but middle of the road at best movie. I'm still a fan of the man but his quality has been all over the map from great to embarrassing in the last decade. Also Peter Jackson put the same kind of campy BS in King Kong that Lucas convinced Speilberg to put in Crystal Skull so yes I have reservations that there might be a lot of stupid BS in this movie.

I am negative about this film, as I said I don't really have an option and am waiting for footage. Jackson and Steven are powerhouse names trying something ambitious I hope it works out but I have no vested interested so I am an outsider looking in till I see something that hooks me.
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post #10 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:55pm
Looks amazing! Can't wait for this. I really hope they turn out to be B.O. hits (and being by far the best around these boards to predict Blockbuster B.O. I say they will be pretty huge) so we'll get a whole series of great adventure flicks.
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post #11 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:56pm
Spielberg's Last Decade:

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

Munich

War of the Worlds

The Terminal

Catch Me If You Can

Minority Report

Artificial Intelligence: AI


Outside of Crystal Skull (which, while by far the worst Indy film, is overhated on the internet), every one of those movies is GOOD.
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post #12 of 27
11/1/10 at 1:59pm
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That withstanding are you really shooting for the quality level of War of the Worlds for this thing? It is a non-offensive but middle of the road at best movie. I'm still a fan of the man but his quality has been all over the map from great to embarrassing in the last decade. Also Peter Jackson put the same kind of campy BS in King Kong that Lucas convinced Speilberg to put in Crystal Skull so yes I have reservations that there might be a lot of stupid BS in this movie.
I've heard lots of criticisms of WOTW, quite a few of which I agree with, but "middle of the road" it is not. Compare Spielberg's version of an alien invasion with Emmerich's then tell me it's MOR. And the action in it is superb.

I'm also struggling to see any camp, INDY IV-style nonsense in KING KONG,a movie that's far superior to CRYSTAL SKULL in almost every way. It's bloated and melodramatic, but it's not the cinematic warcrime that the subsequent release of the very poor LOVELY BONES has seemingly transformed it into.

In the past decade, these two men have been responsible for the LOTR trilogy, MINORITY REPORT, A.I., CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, WAR OF THE WORLDS, and MUNICH as directors. Take it back to the '90s and '80s and the hit-rate gets higher. Somehow I just doubt that the naysayers would be naysaying so strongly if this property was a beloved American classic. That's not on you specifically, just a wider observation.
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post #13 of 27
11/1/10 at 2:31pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLgFp-qpTQ0
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post #14 of 27
11/1/10 at 2:37pm
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I'm also struggling to see any camp, INDY IV-style nonsense in KING KONG,a movie that's far superior to CRYSTAL SKULL in almost every way.
In the middle of destroying this city Kong and Watts ass skate around central park.

I also find a lot of terrible comedy in the movie. I think he went slap stick too much in LOTR but never to the point of harming the movie. He didn't hold back with Kong.
I'll admit I was a little hard on Speilberg. Munich, Catch Me, and Minority Report are great films. Terminal and AI are good films and WOTW is alright but I'd never watch it again.

I am curious as to how this will all look in action since the stills look kind of robert zemeckisy
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post #15 of 27
11/1/10 at 2:37pm
I was hoping for something a bit more stylized as well, to warrant the approach.
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post #16 of 27
11/1/10 at 2:44pm
My first reaction was: I don't like it.

Now I want to see it in motion to harden my stance!
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post #17 of 27
11/1/10 at 2:49pm
Have to agree that a stylised look would've been more interesting. This looks uncomfortably close to that hideous 'uncanny valley of the dead eyed dolls' look that Zemeckis has spent a decade completely failing to transcend.

As for the movie, Catch Me If You Can showed that Speilberg can still do a light fun adventure. But in this case I'm just not sure I personally need to see him do it. If it gets a great response I'll check it out, but it's not an automatic must see.

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In the middle of destroying this city Kong and Watts ass skate around central park.
Err that scene wasn't camp or comedic at all, it's supposed to be poignant if anything.
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post #18 of 27
11/1/10 at 3:32pm
Overdetailed, at the very least.
The original comics aged far better than most others of similar age because of Herge's highly-stylised, clean artwork.
This won't necessarily sink the film, by any means, but it will prevent it from aging as elegantly as its source material.
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post #19 of 27
11/1/10 at 3:36pm
Are people really suggesting that they trust Jackson more than Spielberg? Cuz that would be all kinds of dumb.

ETA: I can only hope that the backgrounds and props are highly stylized in order to warrant mo-cap.
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post #20 of 27
11/1/10 at 4:44pm
I'm no expert, but wouldn't it be harder/less efficient to use mo-cap for more stylized character designs? Seems to me that if you want to do that, key-frame animation is the way to go, like they did with The Goon. Mo-cap makes it possible to bring the character designs closer to the look of the books than any human actor could be, while still giving a "life-like" performance... which isn't necessarily a good thing, mind you.

So I guess I get why they wanted to do it this way, but we'll have to wait for footage to see if it actually works.
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post #21 of 27
11/1/10 at 4:46pm
I can't remember for certain, but wasn't the Zemeckis-produced Monster House done with mo-cap on stylized characters? I think I would've preferred that for TinTin.
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post #22 of 27
11/1/10 at 4:58pm
Looks great to me. And I really don't get why people can't understand that a series of stories based around a globe trotting adventurer is such a perfect fit for Speilberg.
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post #23 of 27
11/1/10 at 5:02pm
I'm in, despite knowing less than nothing about Tintin and its legacy. Those two guys still get a lifetime pass for me, despite CRYSTAL SKULL and THE LOVELY BONES.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to hearing John Williams' score for this already.
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post #24 of 27
11/1/10 at 5:08pm
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I can't remember for certain, but wasn't the Zemeckis-produced Monster House done with mo-cap on stylized characters? I think I would've preferred that for TinTin.
Huh, so it was... I never realized that.

Well, I haven't seen it, so maybe it's something that you get used to after a while, but the trailer makes the performances look kinda off. If my theory holds any water, that's because I expect the characters to move and emote differently based on their designs and the kind of movie it is. It's the other end of the Uncanny Valley, with characters that look like they should be animated, but move too realistically!

Or maybe it's just that I don't want to admit I'm wrong ;-)
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post #25 of 27
11/1/10 at 5:10pm
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Spielberg's Last Decade:

Outside of Crystal Skull (which, while by far the worst Indy film, is overhated on the internet), every one of those movies is GOOD.
Exactly.
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post #26 of 27
11/1/10 at 5:36pm
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aWhy do american film makers/studios have such a fascination with rendering everything "realistically"?
Realism is the poor artist's and audience's fallback for when there is no art direction and imagination.

Just look at the keypose of Tintin running in front of the spotlight.
Original artwork has much more exaggerated poses for the legs and arms, the mocapped stuff is dialed down and shading is way more detailed. It is just not as interesting as the original image and kind of creepy.
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post #27 of 27
11/1/10 at 8:58pm
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Looks great to me. And I really don't get why people can't understand that a series of stories based around a globe trotting adventurer is such a perfect fit for Speilberg.
It may be perfect fit, but in my experience, I'd rather be Han/Indy than Ani/Tintin.
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I'm no expert, but wouldn't it be harder/less efficient to use mo-cap for more stylized character designs?
Nope. It's all in the rig/skeleton. These guys are mocapped...



It saves some animator time and gives a more "realistic" performance.
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