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post #1 of 42
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I've been pretty vocal about how sick I am of zombies in my movies and games. Nevertheless, the genre has been going strong for a few years now, longer than I would have expected from a "fad"; long enough that it may actually qualify as a cultural movement, or at the very least, the current "zeitgeist". Clearly, something about this is speaking to our culture at this point.

I was talking with a friend about it a while ago (after watching [REC], I believe), and we hit on something.

In the 70's and 80's, we were treated to a lot of post-apocalyptic visions in popular fiction, almost always of the post nuclear war variety. It wasn't hard to understand why. That was what was on our minds at the time; one of the superpowers could launch at any time, and that would be that.

Zombies are obviously the new post-apocalypse. Most of the entries in the genre are not the standard horror in which the threat is isolated, and once defeated, leaves us going back to life as normal. It's almost invariably depicted as a growing threat, something that's spreading at an alarming rate. Some, like Zombieland, show us a world that's already been overrun.

Obviously, the culture isn't afraid of zombies in the way that it feared nuclear war. Nobody seriously believes that the dead will rise up and start eating us. This leaves two possibilities for what the zombie trend symbolizes:

One: disease. Every year, the media shrieks warnings of a new, deadly contagion, no really, even deadlier than last, this time we really mean it. The link here is pretty straightforward.

Two: basic distrust of our neighbors. This is the more insidious possibility. As our culture becomes increasingly divided, and public discourse becomes ever more shrill and driven primarily by anger, the possibility of an all-out culture war, perhaps even of the violent variety, becomes ever more believable. The idea that the guy down the street who you wave to occasionally might be going for your jugular next week is a pretty scary spectre to begin with. When you think that it might actually happen, it becomes downright terrifying.

Possibly, it's a combination of the two.

Thoughts?
post #2 of 42
Pretty much!

Pandemic, collapse of society, abandoned cities, slow death of society-type chatter puts it out there. Plus an innate but politically force-fed fear of "the other", and on top of that the harder to quantify aspect of filmmakers who grew up on the first-gen zombie wave getting their chance to play in the sandbox.
post #3 of 42
My pet theory is that post 9/11 there's a perception of the Western World being underthreat from something completely culturally alien. The perception of Jihadists et al is of dogmatic fanatics, who can't be reasoned with and have little sense of self. They're willing to die for an ideology and I think that taps into this fear of an unknowable, unstoppable, mass.
post #4 of 42
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My pet theory is that post 9/11 there's a perception of the Western World being underthreat from something completely culturally alien. The perception of Jihadists et al is of dogmatic fanatics, who can't be reasoned with and have little sense of self. They're willing to die for an ideology and I think that taps into this fear of an unknowable, unstoppable, mass.
That is a really cool reading there, Spike. Bravo.
post #5 of 42
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Pretty much!

Pandemic, collapse of society, abandoned cities, slow death of society-type chatter puts it out there. Plus an innate but politically force-fed fear of "the other", and on top of that the harder to quantify aspect of filmmakers who grew up on the first-gen zombie wave getting their chance to play in the sandbox.
The collapse of society scares me most. The idea that you're completely on your own and there's no one coming to help is terrifying.

I think it was Simon Pegg who said zombies are essentially death. They're slow-moving, relentless and unavoidable. You can't escape zombies, they'll eventually break down any barrier and make their way to you. I think the idea of being closed in on is a very basic and primitive fear. I know it scares me.
post #6 of 42
I think quite a number of people crave the freedoms of a post-apocalyptic society (or lack thereof - the previously-verboten things you could do, eat, drink, smoke, inhale, and fuck), and creating one's own little sheikdom would be a lot easier fending off a zombie infestation than aliens, demons, plague, plate tectonics, solar flares, nuclear warheads, or manitou.
post #7 of 42
I think there is also the conscious and unconscious fear of losing one's individuality, one' soul, to the group, whether that group be your boring, repressed neighbors, the clique at school/the playground/work/the bar/the golf course who is always pressuring us to buy what they buy, listen to the music they listen to, watch the TV shows and sports etc they like, etc. On one level we crave to be accepted; on the other, in the US at least, the social pressures seem to be almost ferocious these days.
post #8 of 42
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I think there is also the conscious and unconscious fear of losing one's individuality, one' soul, to the group, whether that group be your boring, repressed neighbors, the clique at school/the playground/work/the bar/the golf course who is always pressuring us to buy what they buy, listen to the music they listen to, watch the TV shows and sports etc they like, etc. On one level we crave to be accepted; on the other, in the US at least, the social pressures seem to be almost ferocious these days.
My favorite take on this subject is Kaufman's 1978 remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Although that's not a zombie movie unless you stretch the definition really thin.
post #9 of 42
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I think quite a number of people crave the freedoms of a post-apocalyptic society (or lack thereof - the previously-verboten things you could do, eat, drink, smoke, inhale, and fuck), and creating one's own little sheikdom would be a lot easier fending off a zombie infestation than aliens, demons, plague, plate tectonics, solar flares, nuclear warheads, or manitou.
I don't think these scenarios are being portrayed as something attractive, though. They're not intended to be something that people watch and think "Man, that would be great". They're nightmarish.
post #10 of 42
I think all of the reads here are legitimate, but--at this point in history--I agree with Cylon Baby's take. I think we're all living on the edge of this spectacularly technological age that actually makes us fearful about the loss of our individuality. On some subliminal level, I think we're terrified of becoming part of one mindless collective. The last decade or so of zombie flicks really speaks to this.
post #11 of 42
Yeah, losing one's identity, and even humanity. The reality-show-watching public demands blood/schadenfreude. We're becoming numb to the tragedy around us and losing contact with our fellow man, despite having more ways to communicate than ever before. Technology as a barrier. Isolation amongst the swarm. See also KAIRO/PULSE.
post #12 of 42
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I think all of the reads here are legitimate, but--at this point in history--I agree with Cylon Baby's take. I think we're all living on the edge of this spectacularly technological age that actually makes us fearful about the loss of our individuality. On some subliminal level, I think we're terrified of becoming part of one mindless collective. The last decade or so of zombie flicks really speaks to this.
...or is it a slight tangent from that idea, that if this technology/progress is taken away, we'd be fucked, a nasty death would be unavoidable. Most zombie plots have us having to rely on one another rather than technology to survive, which in 2010, is a scary prospect.
post #13 of 42
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Yeah, losing one's identity, and even humanity. The reality-show-watching public demands blood/schadenfreude. We're becoming numb to the tragedy around us and losing contact with our fellow man, despite having more ways to communicate than ever before. Technology as a barrier. Isolation amongst the swarm. See also KAIRO/PULSE.
<derail>Read The Machine Stops by E.M. Forster if you haven't for a great take on this idea from 1909.</derail>
post #14 of 42
Dude predicted the internet.
post #15 of 42
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I don't think that the fear of loss of identity has anything to do with the technological age we live in, really. American culture has always had that fear. For a long time, it manifested itself as a fear of communism. But individual achievement has always been the thing most valued in American culture, and the loss of it is a common theme when storytellers want to disturb Americans.
post #16 of 42
I think it's the fear that the whole world is out to get you, and that the threat is an insurmountably one. Which plays into the culture war. You even see it in the group of survivors. Even when they really need each other, the spoiled rich guy will act greedily and fuck the group over, the survivalist redneck will act to rashly and make things worse, and on and on until the reasonable hero is left by himself, to be the last person on earth and get a close up look at how his reason and faith in humanity has failed completely.

The Mist is pretty much a zombie movie without the zombies. Similar fears tapped into(including the one that everyone around you has stopped thinking for themselves, it's just that in this case those people are on the inside not the out) and same survivor dynamic,
post #17 of 42
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I don't think these scenarios are being portrayed as something attractive, though. They're not intended to be something that people watch and think "Man, that would be great". They're nightmarish.
True, but I do agree with Black_Dahlia that the idea of that freedom is at least part of the appeal of the zombie fantasy. As horrific as the situation would be it's hard not to think of the silver lining of not having to obey any rules anymore and being able to take whatever you want, that's why almost every zombie film has had at least one scene where people raid grocery stores/steal cars/grab junk from the mall/etc.

I think any of the reasons given in this thread would work to explain our current zombie obsession, but come on, who hasn't fantasized about all the stuff they would be able to do if the world came to an end and there were no laws? I know I have plans to secure and fortify a mansion and fill it with a bunch of weapons and food and cool stuff if all hell breaks loose and I'm not eaten first
post #18 of 42
Great topic. I think this speaks to why I personally am in no way sick of zombie horror yet.

I think the ideas of culture wars and losing ones identity and individuality to the mass is a fear that is deeply embedded in some people. Combine that with things like the partisan polarisation of political and social ideas throughout the west, innate fears about the homogenisation of culture through mass media saturation and modern technological advancements in the way we communicate and relate in general and the general globalisation of the world that's been at work socially and economically for the last few decades and a mindless zombie plague becomes a pretty prescient metaphor for many of our innate fears in the 21st century.

As for myself personally, the genre has a powerful sub-conscious effect. I have a natural distrust of established groups ('the mob') and power structures generally. There's a cynical misanthropic streak in me that cuts deep.

I've watched enough horror as an adult and had the vast majority of it not touch me in any way - I may enjoy it or not but it doesn't get under my skin as a rule. Every time I watch a zombie film tho or involve myself with any kind of zombie media, it's almost a sure thing that that night I'll have dreams involving zombies, shuffling, biting, screeching - all after me. People I know or don't know may suddenly become them and we're away. This will happen every time without fail. There is nothing else in horror that has this direct and consistent effect on me as a grown man - and I think that can only be attributed to the genre having the very deepest hold on my sub-conscious fears and concerns.
post #19 of 42
I'm always a little wary of doing the pop psychology thing. More movies being made in the same genre reflecting some sort of new cultural epoch is something that has always been overemphasized. Saying that...

I think I might have to take the opposite tack from Cylon Baby. I think the one thing that has been occurring for people of means in western developed countries has been a rise in individuality. Everyone has their niche movies, music, sources of news, clothes, etc. Culture is splintering, something that technology, with its incentives to not cross barriers irl, only accelerates. I think in that environment, the traditional fear (growing from ignorance, maybe) of others has exponentially grown. People are too afraid to let their kids to trick or treat, waves of "outsiders" taking control of 'their' country grip significant portions of our population, etc. A world where, except for a small dusting of people spread over large sections of territory willy nilly, all other human beings are bent on your dismemberment fit in this milieu.

Now how's THAT for pop psychology?
post #20 of 42
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I think it was Simon Pegg who said zombies are essentially death. They're slow-moving, relentless and unavoidable. You can't escape zombies, they'll eventually break down any barrier and make their way to you. I think the idea of being closed in on is a very basic and primitive fear. I know it scares me.
Thinking more on this bit. Since death is a constant for us biological beings, it explains why (for as long as there has been culture), there has been folklore about some undead creature returning to feed on the living. Even scarier/more upsetting that it might be a family member that you may need to put down.

Vampires are charismatic and hypnotic and sexual (in modern pop culture), but you can't negotiate with zombies. You can't talk yourself out of an attack and there's nothing appealing about becoming one. They're decaying (gross!) and cannibals (taboo!) and relentless (run!) and legion (run faster!).

Hordes are always scarier. A cockroach by itself is nasty, but a swarm? Skin crawling.
post #21 of 42
Really cool discussion here. I won't jump right into the philosophical conversation you guys are having, but I will say that I have yet to tire of the zombie trend. It's a genre that I have always loved, and now I have pretty much limitless options at my disposal from great games (Dead Rising 2) to great TV programs and comics (The Walking Dead) to great movies - - well, it's been a little while since there has been a great zombie movie, but you get the picture.
post #22 of 42
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Two: basic distrust of our neighbors. This is the more insidious possibility. As our culture becomes increasingly divided, and public discourse becomes ever more shrill and driven primarily by anger, the possibility of an all-out culture war, perhaps even of the violent variety, becomes ever more believable. The idea that the guy down the street who you wave to occasionally might be going for your jugular next week is a pretty scary spectre to begin with. When you think that it might actually happen, it becomes downright terrifying.
This. The genre as a whole has such a grim outlook for humanity in general, with just about every entry being super-saturated with pessimism. What's scariest about Romero's zombie universe (which is essentially the template) isn't the actual zombies; its how the remaining population handles themselves amidst the chaos. Guys like Romero seem to think that when presented with the freedom in a world without laws, the human race just won't be able to get it together, and thats a frightening thought.

This is probably the main reason I dug Zombieland as much as I did. There's so much optimism there - the notion that people are inherently good, and will come together and look out for one another. Its a refreshing take. I suspect this is also why the silly thug twist in the last episode of The Walking Dead worked for me.
post #23 of 42

this zombie craze -----

As with the past decades of genre films reflecting the fears of the world, like the 'giant creature' movies when we all worried about the effects of atomic radiation, the 'enemy among us' fear that propagated the Body Snatcher type films, I always thot this zombie trend was people feeling trapped in a bland, repetitive environment, not being fulfilled, feeling like another nameless drone in society.
Another thing, I'm a big fan of practical makeup, and the Walking Dead makeup crew have been knocking it out of the park with every episode. There seems to one or two 'hero' zombie shots every show, cool close up zombies with unique disfigurements. And tho I love seeing what they come up with, surely the majority of zombies in this show's world wouldn't be malformed or torn apart, just gnarly looking. Bodies staggering along with jaws ripped off or stomachs trailing entrails would be the exception to the rule. Has there been any mention of what exactly caused this epidemic? Was it a violent event, which would explain mangled bodies? How long was our sheriff out of it in hospital, how long did it take for the contagion to take hold? Is that just sloppy writing, or don't really need to establish that, or 'buy the concept and shut up, what does it matter?'
I gave up buying the comic somewhere after the prison locale, not caring for the human interaction of it. Kirkman said not every issue would have zombie-goodness in it. And I guess you need to start caring about the characters to have the loss of them mean something in the long run/ I simply had to make monetary decisions and stopped following it.
The show has been fun tho. It's not Shakespeare but not intended to be, just really well done escapist fun.
But i'm taking notes.. ya know, just in case...
post #24 of 42
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This is probably the main reason I dug Zombieland as much as I did. There's so much optimism there - the notion that people are inherently good, and will come together and look out for one another. Its a refreshing take.
Yes. I was really reluctant to watch the film, but was finally worn down by positive reviews. I was surprised by the optimistic tone of it, something unique in the genre.
post #25 of 42
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This is probably the main reason I dug Zombieland as much as I did. There's so much optimism there - the notion that people are inherently good, and will come together and look out for one another. Its a refreshing take. I suspect this is also why the silly thug twist in the last episode of The Walking Dead worked for me.
You know, I never really thought about it before, but you're 100% correct. Huh. I think we could throw Shawn of the Dead in there as another example of the elusive optimistic zombie movie, as well.
post #26 of 42
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There seems to one or two 'hero' zombie shots every show, cool close up zombies with unique disfigurements. And tho I love seeing what they come up with, surely the majority of zombies in this show's world wouldn't be malformed or torn apart, just gnarly looking.
Feeding on another one of man's fears. Ugliness. We're vain creatures at heart.

Let's see... I can become a sexy vampire with stylishly gelled hair or... a rotting shambling corpse with green/blue/grey skin, dangling entrails, and a missing eye?

Considering how much anti-aging stuff is on the market, I know which undead "lifestyle" most people would choose.

Fear of mortality? Sure. But also a FEAR O' FUG.
post #27 of 42
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Fear of mortality? Sure. But also a FEAR O' FUG.
To that extent, there's a bit of good old body horror at play in the zombie genre. From Dawn of the Dead to 28 Days Later to, hell, the Halloween episode of Community, we see that trope play out time and time again: one of our heroes becomes infected, usually hides it from the rest of our survivors, and then watches in quiet horror and helplessness as his body slowly succumbs to the infection.
post #28 of 42
Threads like this are why I love this place. Unfortunately I don't really have anything to add other than, when done right, zombies combine the fear of the other and the fear of our neighbors and loved ones turning against us with the primal fear of being eaten alive.
post #29 of 42
All of the thoughts here are completely valid, but for me, the answer is much less complicated. It's just about the loss of control. This is, IMO, the root of all horror, and the zombie sub-genre is a really good delivery system for this idea. The reason is twofold -- 1) The post apocalypse element being a clear illustration of what a society becomes without proper "control", and 2) the zombies themselves being a direct reflection of humanity "out of control" and reduced to its basest elements. I think the idea of a world that is completely out of our control is something we all find seductive and terrifying on both a conscious and subconscious level.
post #30 of 42
My theory: all horror zeitgeists occur because somewhere in the infinite megascape of all possible universes, they're actual, 100% real phenomena. They're so traumatizing for that universe's inhabitants that the effects bleed into our universe in the form of fiction. This also explains asteroids, volcanoes, and vampires.

In some other universe, Pearl Harbor is just some guy's dumb movie. Well, only just a dumb movie.
post #31 of 42
I wonder if living in a post-AIDS world also creeps in there with regard to the fear of infection. The media loves a good pandemic story.

It's ironic that Serpent and the Rainbow - a film about "real" zombies, doesn't actually fit the usual zombie criteria.
post #32 of 42
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Random thought about the genre:

The idea of zombies being human beings boiled down to their basest instincts is a flawed one. Human beings at their core are not just about violence and eating and survival, but also about procreation. Shouldn't zombies be fucking everything that moves too?

I think there's a movie there, but I ain't writing it.
post #33 of 42
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My favorite take on this subject is Kaufman's 1978 remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Although that's not a zombie movie unless you stretch the definition really thin.
Watching it now, it plays as a prophetic vision of the Reagan years and the rise of the Yuppie. One by one the characters stop smoking pot and start wearing a suit and tie.

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I think quite a number of people crave the freedoms of a post-apocalyptic society (or lack thereof - the previously-verboten things you could do, eat, drink, smoke, inhale, and fuck), and creating one's own little sheikdom would be a lot easier fending off a zombie infestation than aliens, demons, plague, plate tectonics, solar flares, nuclear warheads, or manitou.
This reminds me of an old review of Red Dawn, which opined that John Milius's supposed worst-case-scenario was something he'd probably welcome, with all the libertarian opportunities it would afford.

So there's a variety of films portraying lawless post-collapse societies, with the causes ranging from viral outbreak to biblical apocalypse to all of the scenarios Dahlia mentioned above. The question remains, why have zombies caught on so specifically? I don't think it's just because they're theoretically easier to fight.
post #34 of 42
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I wonder if living in a post-AIDS world also creeps in there with regard to the fear of infection. The media loves a good pandemic story.

It's ironic that Serpent and the Rainbow - a film about "real" zombies, doesn't actually fit the usual zombie criteria.
I think the AIDS comparison definitely applies to the new generation of Zombie flicks.....28 Days Later being the most obvious.

Looking at Night of the Living Dead you can see how obvious the social metaphor is....I mean there's like one Black guy who survives do to his individualism who then gets shot by the Redneck.

Also, in the Romero films the cause of the zombies is never explicated beyond "oh yeah the radio said something about radiation from a space probe" while 28 Days Later shows us the virus getting into the gen pop.
post #35 of 42
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Random thought about the genre:

The idea of zombies being human beings boiled down to their basest instincts is a flawed one. Human beings at their core are not just about violence and eating and survival, but also about procreation. Shouldn't zombies be fucking everything that moves too?

I think there's a movie there, but I ain't writing it.
DEAD ALIVE had zombie-sex, zombie-birth, and zombie-baby getting soccer-kicked!
post #36 of 42
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I've been pretty vocal about how sick I am of zombies in my movies and games. Nevertheless, the genre has been going strong for a few years now, longer than I would have expected from a "fad"; long enough that it may actually qualify as a cultural movement, or at the very least, the current "zeitgeist". Clearly, something about this is speaking to our culture at this point.

I was talking with a friend about it a while ago (after watching [REC], I believe), and we hit on something.

In the 70's and 80's, we were treated to a lot of post-apocalyptic visions in popular fiction, almost always of the post nuclear war variety. It wasn't hard to understand why. That was what was on our minds at the time; one of the superpowers could launch at any time, and that would be that.

Zombies are obviously the new post-apocalypse. Most of the entries in the genre are not the standard horror in which the threat is isolated, and once defeated, leaves us going back to life as normal. It's almost invariably depicted as a growing threat, something that's spreading at an alarming rate. Some, like Zombieland, show us a world that's already been overrun.

Obviously, the culture isn't afraid of zombies in the way that it feared nuclear war. Nobody seriously believes that the dead will rise up and start eating us. This leaves two possibilities for what the zombie trend symbolizes:

One: disease. Every year, the media shrieks warnings of a new, deadly contagion, no really, even deadlier than last, this time we really mean it. The link here is pretty straightforward.

Two: basic distrust of our neighbors. This is the more insidious possibility. As our culture becomes increasingly divided, and public discourse becomes ever more shrill and driven primarily by anger, the possibility of an all-out culture war, perhaps even of the violent variety, becomes ever more believable. The idea that the guy down the street who you wave to occasionally might be going for your jugular next week is a pretty scary spectre to begin with. When you think that it might actually happen, it becomes downright terrifying.

Possibly, it's a combination of the two.

Thoughts?
Another thing, as people have touched on before, there's the appeal of being able to shoot zombies (who were people) without consequences. If it's someone you knew (and didn't like), added bonus.

Also, with the end of society as we know it, that secretly appeals to a lot of people. No more worrying about debts, mortgages and the like. Plus a lot of people like picturing themselves trying to make it in survivalist scenarios.

I hasten to add, as an escapist bit of fantasy of course, not for it to really happen. Well, for most people anyway.
post #37 of 42
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Random thought about the genre:

The idea of zombies being human beings boiled down to their basest instincts is a flawed one. Human beings at their core are not just about violence and eating and survival, but also about procreation. Shouldn't zombies be fucking everything that moves too?

I think there's a movie there, but I ain't writing it.
David Cronenberg's Shivers.
post #38 of 42
Zombie procreation is the spreading of the virus through biting.
post #39 of 42
Hey I just saw that Netflix Instant has added the Chuck Heston Horror movie THE AWAKENING.

"English archaeologist Matthew Corbeck (played by the emphatically-American Charlton Heston) undertakes an expedition to find the tomb of the Egyptian princess Kara, despite his awareness of a nefarious curse that is said to befall anyone who disturbs the tomb. Eighteen years after Corbeck's discovery of the burial site, his teenage daughter (who was born at the very moment of the tomb's violation) begins to behave strangely. Turns out she's been possessed by Kara's malevolent spirit, carrying out the princess's revenge by causing several deaths and developing a less-than-healthy obsession with Daddy. Based very loosely on Bram Stoker's novel The Jewel of Seven Stars (itself the inspiration for Hammer's superior Blood from the Mummy's Tomb), this is basically Warner Brothers' attempt to jump on the big-budget horror bandwagon in the wake of The Omen's staggering success. The result is a good-looking but artistically hollow film -- with elaborate sets, lush cinematography and a sweeping musical score, but little in the way of logic or suspense." --AMG

A stodgy big budget studio horror movie that as it escalates, thanks to the presence of Heston, threatens to cross just enough into camp to stay fun. It's silly, but I remember it fondly.
post #40 of 42
??? Wrong thread maybe ???
post #41 of 42
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I'm thinking so. I kept waiting to hear how that dovetailed into the conversation.
post #42 of 42
I don't think I'm smart enough to come up with a general reason that zombie movies resonate so well these days, but I know that I find the idea of the complete loss of modern technology to be very creepy, personally. As the upkeep of all our technological marvel becomes more transparent and behind-the-scenes, it becomes easy to forget how much all of our transportation, communication, medicine, and economy increasingly depend on what I consider to be a delicate infrastructure.

In many of the zombie movies I can think of off the top my head, technology usually plays a big role in the rescue of the characters. Helicopters in Dawn and Day, armed soldiers/law enforcement in Night (not really a rescue, I guess, but they do clean up the surrounding area) and Shaun, Jet fighters in 28 Days, armored vehicle in Land, etc.

This is why when Romero plays around with zombies trying to act like they used to pre-death, I find it extra creepy. Zombies play-acting at pumping gas at a broken pump... yeesh. Anyone else feel this way?

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All of the thoughts here are completely valid, but for me, the answer is much less complicated. It's just about the loss of control.
Missed this somehow. I think what I'm saying lines up with this, because technology is how we exert all of this modern control over our environment.
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