MELT YOUR EYEBALLS WITH A NEW SUCKER PUNCH TRAILER - Page 2

I concur. If I want to watch beautiful pieces of shit I could always rent THE CELL or SILENT HILL.

This looks completely brain dead - I'd expect nothing else from Snyder, to be fair - but I'd be lying if I said that the trailers aren't getting me interested. Hotties fighting robots, dragons and samurais in a trench warfare filled kitchen sink fantasyland? I'm in.

I actually switched off the trailer halfway through because, well, if you've already seen all the pretty visuals I'm not sure there'll be any other reasons to watch the film.

It warms my heart to know that there are pretty girls out there who dream of Scott Glenn as their spiritual mentor. I was sure that only happened to me.

Fixed that for you. It's much clearer now, right?

Looks amazing visually. Love the images. Just hope the whole movie lives up to the visuals.

Also, Scott Glenn is a very nice sub for David Carradine.

Could it be be that those "making excuses" are in fact giving an opinion on why they like it? You make excuses for something that is bad or wrong. You can like stuff for very particular reasons you know. Not every movie has to be top to bottom universally acclaimed before you can say you like it.

Personally, I think that Snyder is among the best directors working today in terms of visuals and probably the absolute best in staging and shooting action. Therefore I tend to be excited about his movies. Others don't think so. It's all good.

It means I think I love you. Which some women would argue is a fate worse than death... so... yeah?

*Really*? He's good, but too reliant on the slomo and speedcranking. QT's only done one balls-out action movie - the car sequences in DEATH PROOF - but I think they're better than anything Snyder's ever done. Ditto Raimi's stuff in SPIDER-MAN 2. Others are way more subjective - Paul Greengrass, for instance - but still. That's a lofty claim.

Put me in the minority that thinks this looks like an absolute blast. It could be completely terrible, but I was sold after the first trailer, and am willing to remain more than just cautiously optimistic until I see the final product.

Visually stunning like all of Snyder's films, but I'm dubious of any movie that quotes Aaron Tippin lyrics.

I'd take The House of Blue Leaves over anything in 300 or Watchmen, and the weird, implausibly awesome, Guttenberg shootout from The Internal as well. Or any of the stuff in Kick Ass. I've always felt that Snyder is good at the visualisation of stuff, but his own style often feels incompatible with an actually exciting action sequence.

giant robot samurai with a Gatling gun.


just leavin that out there.

Haha holy crap how did I miss that one in QT's oeuvre. Agreed.

I'll see your giant robot samurai with a Gatling gun and raise you said robot being punched in the face by a hot chick wearing thigh highs.

Everybody's got their visual stylists that push their buttons. If you're telling me that everything you watch is deep and meaningful, I might have to call you out on that.

That's the weird thing about his style. His pictures are probably some of the most beautiful in the biz, but I've never once been made to feel any sort of emotion by them. Not sadness, exhiliration, nothing... It's quite a talent.

Yeah, really. What I like the most about him, is that he has enough trust in his actors/stuntmen and in his ability to shoot the scene well that he doesn't feel the need to conceal what is happening. When he shows people fighting he knows that what he's come up with is exciting even when viewed from further back. He doesn't put the camera up his actors' noses and cut every millisecond to hide the fact that the 'fight scene' consists of two guys slowly waving their hands at each other's general direction.

And I know I'll probably fuck up the wording but there's another thing I like about him. He's really good at shooting the human body mid-motion. That's the reason the speed-ramping doesn't bother me. It complements the character's motion really well. It plays with the scene's rhythm much in the same way a really good DJ can play with an already good song and create something else equally good or better.

Despite all that if the script is bad enough to distract me from the visuals my opinion can and will change. It's not like I have stocks in Snyder Inc.

I'm disappointed this isn't Terms of Endearment with robots. Less explosions and attractive women, more long heart-felt conversations please!

Yes, this has to be either Transmorphers or Terms of Endearment, because nothing exists in between.

Surprised to see LZ getting less stingy with their music licensing. SCHOOL OF ROCK had to plead to use Immigrant Song and here's a tune of their's used in a commercial.
But I thought you liked AVATAR... ZING!

Anyone got a link to an HD version of this trailer?

I hope Glenn's video game cutscene exposition sounds less clunky in the film. "Baby Doll, you're the master of unlocking..."

Fair enough. One man's meat and all that. I feel like Snyder's shortcomings in other areas let him down as an action director. For me action is another dramatic tool, rather than the endgame of the entire film. Snyder's characters tend to disappear when he shoots action - they're all suppressed in favour of accentuating the same visual tics in each of his movies. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre brawling through a prison is good taken as a context-free beat 'em up scene, but dramatically speaking there's nothing separating it from numerous Spartans versus Persians dust-ups in 300. Putting it simply I don't think he's learnt how to integrate his action into a larger narrative just yet.

Are you trying to tell me that John Lithgow is not an attractive woman? Dammit, man, did you not see The World According to Garp?

I didn't say that.

I already said, to each their own. I truly meant that.

I just think it's amusing that even his biggest fans pretty much admit through their praise that there's little to nothing going on "upstairs" with a Snyder film.

Stuff like this really does appeal to that Beavis and Butthead side of the brain. I mean, seriously, almost every bit of praise is "heh heh heh, hot chicks fighting Samurais! Cooooooooool."

If you like it, great. Really.

It's just always interesting to see what people will lower the bar for and what they won't. If anything, this all just speaks to his skills as a visual director that he's able to snag so many people along for the ride when intellectually, there isn't much going on at all in his films aside from very base, juvenile themes and ideas.

I won't begrudge anyone for looking forward to this, it's just not my cup of dumb.

I lower all kinds of bars. I might like the most visually bland movie ever if the script is strong enough to carry the movie. I'll like a movie with a perfunctory script if the visuals are strong enough. I'll like a movie that's mediocre both visually and in the script if the story engages me. And I'll have zero problems saying so about any of them. Would I love it if every movie was like Inception, operating at the top in every level? You fucking bet. I'd float around on a happiness cloud.

Sorry, this just needs to be re-posted.

No, but you certainly post with the attitude.

This is what I'm talking about. I mean, I get your point, but you're making these huge, sloppy leaps comparing Snyder's work to Beavis and Butthead? Why stop there-- why not compare it to porn or pro-wrestling to really make your point? If you're gonna come in here and condescend, at least do it with the proper ammo.

ETA:
Not trying to come off as lashing out at you because we disagree. But your surprise that people would be forgiving of a really strong visualist is tough to swallow since there are plenty of examples of this happening all the time, maybe just not as an extreme example. How else does one explain the sheer dominance of Michael Bay, James Cameron or George Lucas? The literary elements from their work might be lacking in varying degrees but what is true between all of them is that their sense of visual storytelling way outshines their other skills as directors.

I think it is Verhoeven's fault that I am optimistic about how self-aware Snyder is. Verhoeven really has understood how to use the extreme nature of his movies to add to deeper themes instead of only supplying eye-candy. I want to think that the person who made 300 understands why that movie is wall to wall hilarious... but a growing part of me thinks that he is only accidentally achieving this effect. To use another metaphor, I think he's a little more of a Frank Miller than a Garth Ennis.

Giant Nixon Nose agrees with you.

But what says Zombie Pig-man Soldier with Sword For Hand? My friend's straight-faced reaction to 300 afterward: "I suspect... suspect... that one or two liberties were taken with historical fact in this case..."

Except I don't think I'm lowering my bar for it. I genuinely really dig his visual style, and find it rich and entertaining enough to compensate for granted lack of characterization or depth. Not every film I love has to be THE FOUNTAIN, SOLARIS or CASABLANCA.

And I frankly prefer 300 to WATCHMEN.

No, but every film you love could at least try to have a script worth a damn. This isn't about Snyder not making the new CASABLANCA, it's about him not making the new TERMINATOR. Genre films aren't just one droning level of quality - there's good and bad, well-written and poor.

To me...Watchmen is Snyder's best film, and likely will remain so, even after...Superman: The Man Of Steel.

Looks like a video game I wouldn't play.

those chicks have nice hair and make up, it's nice they can have that in a 50s asylum.

Love the nitpicks about makeup and dancing. You could focus on the million other stupid things about this fantasy movie than things that are unrealistic.

Touche sir, touche.

They could, I suppose, but it's not a requisite for me liking (or anticipating) a film.

Ridley Scott's LEGEND has an awful script, if the finished film is anything to go by. Even for a stylized fantasy, the dialogue is alternately (or simultaneously) wooden, cheesy, or clumsy. And yet, visually it's a feast, and I'm able to accept the film for its flaws and dig the sets, makeup, cinematography, wonderful scenery chewing by Tim Curry, and a delicately beautiful Mia Sara.

I was thinking of this very subject, and this very film, recently. Throw in Coppolla's DRACULA in there with LEGEND. I love both, but mostly for atmosphere and lush visuals.

This looks like it would be better as a video game than as a movie. As a video game, it would probably be considered a masterpiece, but as a movie? It looks fairly numbing. I think a movie has to have something beyond AWESOME VISUALS for it to be worth it. And the kind of perverted "it's feminist but look at all them in short skirts" thing makes me queasy. It's probably going to be another wildly irresponsible, hollow thing, because that's what Snyder does, left to his own devices.

The trailer is not selling me on anything. I actually kind of grimaced when, in a flashback nod to Watchmen, they played yet another classic rock song for mood. It's an unoriginal and cheap ploy, but the whole trailer feels derivative anyway.

If I see another shot of coffin dirt hitting the camera lens, I just may volunteer to be buried myself.

Still, it's just a trailer. The final film will be what matters.

I'm not so psyched for it, though. I need more than explosions and pretty women. I just hope the trailer is aiming low for "money shots", in spite of the movie's actual story.

This film looks like it came from the imagination of a 12 year old boy. It also seems to prove the old saying that you can have to much of a good thing.

Now I am a guy that will defend the 1986 Transformers movie till I'm blue in the face but even I can't seem to connect with this one.

I posted this elsewhere, but: it's pretty clear from interviews and such that Snyder isn't the racist homophobic chest-thumper that you would infer from 300. He intended that movie to be more or less ironic--note that, within the film, the story's being told by the Spartans, so it's meant to comment on their viewpoint (i.e. a bunch of militaristic fascists who think people from outside Greece are subhuman).

The problem is that, having achieved this angle, Snyder does nothing with it. He thinks that, having put quote marks around the movie, it's OK to be homophobic, racist, etc. It's sort of like how some movies insert self-aware jokes about formulaic storytelling to hide the fact that they're falling back on those exact formulas. It's self-awareness, but the laziest kind of self-awareness.

Putting aside the fact that I don't understand the praise Snyder gets for his visuals and action sequences--I find his movies ugly-looking and his action stagy--there is something to be said for a movie that's just a batshit, over-the-top confluence of crazy, cool stuff. But there's a fine line there--surely it's not too hard to just throw everything KEWL in a blender and put it on screen? "This movie has SAMURAIS and DRAGONS and ROBOTS and YOU GUYS IT'S SO AWESOME SPOOOOOGE". A movie needs to have a strong voice and a certain amount of originality, even if it's just going to be a beautiful wankfest. Legend and The Cell have both been mentioned, which is what this movie smells like, except those movies at least had truly unique worlds, visually. This movie just looks like a collage of videogame cutscenes.

This movie will stand or fall for me in the way it grounds those fever fantasy dreams in the girl's character and past experiences - or doesn't.
If the WWI nazis would be an actual psychological scar something or someone has caused her and if the ancient dragon Japan thing would be connected to her family or the bad scientist running the asylum etc... I could give it a pass, but I suspect it will literally feel like someone found a bunch of videogames, took some notes and cool shot ideas and made a sizzle reel to push his upstarting vfx studio.

Just watched the trailer. Snyder's EXTREME filmmaking obscured the very existence of Hamm. Is he in the trailer?

Is that like a mind vacation?

Spoilers, jackass!!

Gold.

Silver.

Bronze.

I think the movie looks, well, kind of retarded. So I'm going to get good and retarded before I see it.

Ha! Yeah, I am excited, but I can see my brain going on a two hour vacation for this. I don't mind though.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Did that really hurt your feelings or something?

Ha ha... no, just being a twerp. No big deal. I'm totally over... it... wait a second... WAS THAT YOU!?

Yeah, I'm totally sick of it.

I think the rest, other than Glenn's awful line-readings, looks pretty awesome. I was sold when I saw the Brazil samurai with a minigun in the teaser. Who knows if the movie will be worth a damn, but visually I'm already kind of loving it.

I loathe speed-ramping, but on the bright side a lot of the speed-ramping in the trailer seems to be just that, shots sped up for the trailer.