The 2012 Elections Thread - Page 207

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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ 

Didnt really know where to put this but it appears John Kerry might be the next Secretary of Defense in the Obama Administration as was rumored. Pretty huge news really and hearing they might have Ambassador Rice as the new Secretary of State which I honestly think is a horrible pick, but whatever we'll see. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-considers-john-kerry-for-job-of-defense-secretary/2012/11/12/8a0e973a-2d02-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

So I guess we can get ready for a return of the Swift Boat nonsense again.

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Originally Posted by bigbrother 

 

 

So I guess we can get ready for a return of the Swift Boat nonsense again.

It's already started. 

Romney provides a post-mortem, says dumb shit:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/romney-blames-loss-on-obamas-gifts-to-minorities-and-young-voters/

Mitt Romney, Business Ubermensch:

"Obama totally cheated by providing services to a wide cross-section of the American people, who in turn supported his candidacy.  It's almost like he treated politics as some sort of marketplace."

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Originally Posted by neoolong 

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It's already started. 

It so thoroughly infuriates me that a party that ran a weekend warrior, two draft dodgers*, and a complete career politician** at the top of their last 3 presidential tickets uses this shit to hammer a decorated war veteran. 

Probably more irritating that they pull this shit and then use "SUPPORT THE TROOPS!" as a way to quash any criticism of them sticking our soldiers into a war based on made-up intelligence, and then not giving them the tools to do their jobs. 

* - FWIW I don't blame anyone for avoiding the bullshit that was the Vietnam War; however, I think once you are on record as having done so, you should get punched in the nuts any time you take a chickenhawk position. 

** - again, nothing wrong with this (Obama is pretty much a career academic/politician, as far as that goes) 

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Originally Posted by Schwartz 

Mitt Romney, Business Ubermensch:

 

"Obama totally cheated by providing services to a wide cross-section of the American people, who in turn supported his candidacy.  It's almost like he treated politics as some sort of marketplace."

The market is always efficient. 

Why did Romney want to be president again?   It sounds like he hates 98% of the people who live here.   I'm so much more happy now that he's been defeated soundly than I was last week.   What a cretin that man is.

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Originally Posted by dynamotv 

Why did Romney want to be president again?   It sounds like he hates 98% of the people who live here.  

Yeah, but he TOTALLY lurrrves .5% of Americans. 

Bobby Jindal in 2016? His response to Romney's excuses for why he lost:

"I don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party," Jindal, a potential 2016 GOP presidential contender, said. "If we're going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly: One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream."

I'm very interested to see which Republicans spearhead the move towards sanity and inclusiveness. If Jindal still wants to be president, this is probably his best move.

The big showdown is gonna be with Limbaugh. When someone decides to take him on directly, I think we've got our front runner for the nomination. Assuming it works, of course.

It will be very interesting to see where the GOP goes in the next few years.  There's already two schools of thought emerging from this election on the Right.   On the one hand you have the Jindals and Christies who read the exit polls,  threw up in their mouth a little, and are trying to right the ship and then you have Romney and Ryan and Bill O'Reilly saying "Nothing is wrong with us.   You know how 'Urban' Voters are.   They just want free crap."   Which argument do you think is going to prevail?

Yeah I'm going to say the GOP will continue to do well in the midterms and local elections but they're toast on a national stage.   To right their ship, they have to fail in the midterms and that ain't happening any time soon.

To be fair to the O'Reillys and Ryans in the party, it really would be jumping the gun on any drastic overhauls until we see if this whole "urban population center" fad is actually going to, you know, stick.

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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd 

 

The big showdown is gonna be with Limbaugh. When someone decides to take him on directly, I think we've got our front runner for the nomination. Assuming it works, of course.

I'd be so very tempted to vote for nearly any Republican candidate who tore Limbaugh, Hannity & O'Reilly new ones. I want the far right wingnuts to see how very much a minority they really are.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/when-the-nerds-go-marching-in/265325/

I would recommend any and all tech-lovers read this piece.

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Originally Posted by Schwartz 

To be fair to the O'Reillys and Ryans in the party, it really would be jumping the gun on any drastic overhauls until we see if this whole "urban population center" fad is actually going to, you know, stick.

Right, because Blacks, Latinos, Gays, and Jews are going to really jump ship on this whole Obama thing by 2016, the re-election windfall was just a fluke.

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Originally Posted by MichaelM 

 

I'd be so very tempted to vote for nearly any Republican candidate who tore Limbaugh, Hannity & O'Reilly new ones. I want the far right wingnuts to see how very much a minority they really are.

Alec Baldwin standing up to Hannity is all I need.

"I would never do your show Sean Hannity.  You're a no talent hack.  O'Reilly's show I did because O'Reilly has talent ....Best of luck Sean, you no talent whore"

Hannity needs to be mauled by chimps.

Baldwin doesn't exactly come off as a Rhodes scholar either.
 

  This is old news, but if Fox News and the right wing talk industry really supported the troops, Sean Hannity would be out of a job. The fact that he isn't, is one of the many reasons I don't believe in karma.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/crew-votevets-file-irs-ftc-complaints-agai

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Originally Posted by The Prankster 

Baldwin doesn't exactly come off as a Rhodes scholar either.
 

Good thing he's a television actor famous for monologues where he yells at people and not a political pundit.

"Coffee's for voters!"

http://wonkette.com/489966/anonymous-claims-it-stopped-karl-rove-from-hacking-the-election-by-hacking-orca-we-think

Did Anonymous stop Karl Rove from stealing the election because Rove's vote-stealing methods were lame and easy to foil?  Rove's reaction on Fox News says "Yes"

Sounds like complete and utter BS. Language on that message sounds completely non-technical, it's the type of technical discussion you would hear in an episode of 24.

While what they're describing, even in Hollywood rather than technical terms, sounds doable, I doubt it. First, as far as anyone knows ORCA was meant to track registered Romney supporters rather than doing anything nefarious. Second, this "We're watching you so be nice" does not seem like Anon's MO. If they claimed they crashed ORCA I'd be more inclined to believe them. Third, for some reason this doesn't feel like Anonynous.

Hhahahah fucking Anonymous...

I love their nautical metaphors. 

I really hope the Anonymous story is true.  Of course it makes perfect sense.  I just hope it is.  And if so, we owe them a debt of gratitude.

Anonymous is a roving band of collective assholes. I don't buy any of their "For the people!" bullshit any more than I believe they magically swooped in and saved us all.

Anonymous looks, sounds, and acts like it's made up of mostly white males who spend too much time with computers.

AKA The reason I sometimes wonder if Valerie Solanas wasn't onto something.

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Originally Posted by LaurenOrtega 

Anonymous looks, sounds, and acts like it's made up of mostly white males who spend too much time with computers.

 

 

You think?

Yup.

And those guys tend to suck.

Awww, dammit.

Kind of hard to take any supposed activist group seriously when they spend that much time on post-production effects to make their videos better fit some 90's Hollywood idea of what 'hacker' broadcasts should look like.

Like any group, they seem to be comprised of self-important a**holes and actual motivated non-a***holes.  I don't know if they did this, but they have done some very good things in the past with their hacking skills.  Karl Rove's reaction tells anyone with eyes that things didn't go down as he fully expected them to in Ohio.  He wasn't faking that confidence, he had no reason to doubt Romney would take Ohio.  So I don't know if Anonymous actually did what they said they did or not, but something went wrong in Karl Rove's plan. 

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Originally Posted by yt 

Like any group, they seem to be comprised of self-important a**holes and actual motivated non-a***holes.  I don't know if they did this, but they have done some very good things in the past with their hacking skills.  Karl Rove's reaction tells anyone with eyes that things didn't go down as he fully expected them to in Ohio.  He wasn't faking that confidence, he had no reason to doubt Romney would take Ohio.  So I don't know if Anonymous actually did what they said they did or not, but something went wrong in Karl Rove's plan. 

Like that time Anonymous hacked Sony's PSN servers, crashed the system, stole everyone's credit cards, then hurriedly disavowed the part of the collective that did it when the FBI stepped in? Those rebels!

It's much more likely that Rove was drinking his own Kool-Aid. The whole upper sector of Romney's campaign was SHOCKED when he didn't win; they had built up a bubble of their own reality that shut out any negative information. I buy them doing intentionally biased and logically faulty polling way more than I buy these guys hacking into something that wasn't even an official vote tabulator and merely "standing guard" to make sure nothing fishy happened. And even if it went down how they say it did--who they fuck are THEY that they get to go in and decide what's fishy looking and what's OK? What's to stop them from changing the votes in their decided faction's favor? I don't want anyone watching over my vote who isn't an appointed, trained, accountable official. These guys playing vigilante need to go jerk off to V for Vendetta and leave it there.

You guys should really read that Atlantic piece I linked to a couple days ago. Pretty effectively explains why Orca was a joke and how the Obama IT platform was in a league of its own. Anonymous had nothing to do with it.

Here it is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/when-the-nerds-go-marching-in/265325/

>>> schadenfreude alert!!! <<<

Rep. Allen West concedes to Patrick Murphy

of course, this is going to be gasoline for the crazy fires.

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Originally Posted by LaurenOrtega 

Anonymous looks, sounds, and acts like it's made up of mostly white males who spend too much time with computers.

That sounds a lot like CHUD!

Oh my god...

I agree that Rove probably started believing his own BS and was genuinely shocked by how things were going.   But this is Karl Rove we're talking about and his reaction was one of a person not only expecting a certain result but being assured of a certain result.   It's not out of the realm of possibility that there was a Plan B in place that didn't go into effect for whatever reason.   I would be the least surprised person in the world if something like that came to light.

I still think it's amazing how in the bubble the Romney Campaign was.   I can't believe nobody saw the loss coming even when they've never been ahead in any poll.   That shocks me.

I wouldn't put anything past Rove, but you guys have been reading way too much into that reaction for weeks now.  He just said it was too early to call, and that could just as easily have been denial and sour grapes as false certainty and election rigging.  One might even say more likely.

Rove was freaking out because he was gambling with other (very wealthy, very powerful) peoples money (to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars). Its like watching a guy bet his house on a hand and then praying that he flops a full house.

Disclaimer: my gambling experience is limited to the multiplayer in Red Dead Redemption, I may very well not know what I am talking about.

Yeah, these guys making up PACs and putting up millions upon millions of dollars expected a return on their investement. There were probably quite a few pissed off phonecalls going around that night. 

You don't think all the people "donating" money to Romney did so out of ideology, do you?

Yeah, I think it's much more likely that the denial we saw on election night was the result of the bullshit feedback loop finally swallowing the guys who are in charge of shoveling the bullshit into it than that the group of masked hacker vigilantes thwarted the evil sorcerer's plan to steal Ohio by using foul magicks to turn its bluest counties red at the last minute.

Man, could I possibly be CRUSHING these analogies any harder?  No way, baby.

this is funny, sad (not really) and a tad bit surreal...

...was the showing for "Lincoln" sold out?  :)

Wow... he actually does watch Twilight.

I don't know if that makes me respect him more, or less.

You know, I would kind of feel bad for the guy, except for him always badmouthin me to his richie rich pals. What an asshole.