The 2012 Elections Thread - Page 209

Meghan McCain renews my lust-crush on her.

Yeah, but she was perfectly fine with these guys UNTIL now (I know she's spoken out about Rove before, but she sure towed the line this election season to Hannity and company at Fox News). The way the right is running from Rove and Hannity and Rush after Romney's election disaster...it's kind of hard not to just drown in the hypocrisy. Three months ago these were the faces of the party, but now that we've lost, it's "we've NEVER LIKED THESE GUYS FOR REALY YOU GUYS WE'RE HIP WE PROMISE!"

I also hate the idea that all this election boiled down to was Obama just not being white, and all the GOP has to do is not run a white guy next time. 

I also find some disquieting logic behind the idea that the right needs to "stop talking" about rape and abortion. No, you don't need to "stop talking" about those things--you just need to stop saying utterly and morally reprehensible horseshit about rape and abortion. But rather than actually try to reform their beliefs, they'll just elect not to speak about them, all to paint a veneer of being even somewhat electable.

I didn't say it was a rational, logically consistent crush!

(Yes to all your points, in other words.)

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Originally Posted by Greg Clark 

Yeah, but she was perfectly fine with these guys UNTIL now (I know she's spoken out about Rove before, but she sure towed the line this election season to Hannity and company at Fox News). The way the right is running from Rove and Hannity and Rush after Romney's election disaster...it's kind of hard not to just drown in the hypocrisy. Three months ago these were the faces of the party, but now that we've lost, it's "we've NEVER  LIKED THESE GUYS FOR REALY YOU GUYS WE'RE HIP WE PROMISE!"

 

I also hate the idea that all this election boiled down to was Obama just not being white, and all the GOP has to do is not run a white guy next time. 

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Originally Posted by Greg Clark 

I also find some disquieting logic behind the idea that the right needs to "stop talking" about rape and abortion. No, you don't need to "stop talking" about those things--you just need to stop saying utterly and morally reprehensible horseshit about rape and abortion. But rather than actually try to reform their beliefs, they'll just elect not to speak about them, all to paint a veneer of being even somewhat electable.

Even if it's little and even if it's late, these are signs of progress.  Getting people to stop saying horrible shit out loud is a start.  

Of course, for Dems, there's a question of just how much you want to see the GOP sincerely reform vs wallowing in increasing electoral irrelevance.  A less fanatical, more diverse GOP makes for a more formidable opponent.

Meant to post a link to this a week ago when I read it, but I saw an interview with a Tea Party leader who said that he and the Tea Party in general don't give a shit about social issues: their main concern and in fact reason for being is the fiscal situation in the US Government. So yeah, I can see where a lot of Conservatives do in fact want to remove abortion, rape and other social issues from the public agenda.

I don't think it's sunk in yet that the GOP now actually needs to come out and say they do not in fact think there are circumstances where rape is legitimate or illegitimate. As for abortion, I think the pro-lifers are nothing if not consistent. A woman gets pregnant via rape? Too bad lady, you're stuck!

A little anecdote sure to put a smile on your face (http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/110597/exclusive-the-polls-made-mitt-romney-think-hed-win#):

That's the same son who talked about rushing the stage to attack the President at the debate, if only the Secret Service were not there.

I always thought that was such an odd comment, coming from Tagg.  I would have expected it from Axe Romney.

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Even if it's little and even if it's late, these are signs of progress.  Getting people to stop saying horrible shit out loud is a start.  

 

Of course, for Dems, there's a question of just how much you want to see the GOP sincerely reform vs wallowing in increasing electoral irrelevance.  A less fanatical, more diverse GOP makes for a more formidable opponent.

That depends on whether the GOP has learnt the lesson or not. Hint, they haven't.

I'm all for a relevant Republican Party, in fact I am very much FOR it. Especially since I am quite conservative, while still being hardcore Democrat. We need the other side to balance out the Dems, because they can be just as crazy if left in power unchecked for too long.

With that being said however, the GOP needs to be hurt ... alot. The stench of what these guys have done to this country and middle class starting with Reagan is going to linger for quite a while. They need to spend some time in irrelevance to hopefully get the 'poison' out of their system.

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

Meant to post a link to this a week ago when I read it, but I saw an interview with a Tea Party leader who said that he and the Tea Party in general don't give a shit about social issues: their main concern and in fact reason for being is the fiscal situation in the US Government. So yeah, I can see where a lot of Conservatives do in fact want to remove abortion, rape and other social issues from the public agenda.

 

You make that sound a lot more nobler then it actually is. Which in fairness is probably how the tea party tries to make it sound.

When they say they don't care about social issues, that isn't the "we don't care" which means they want to stay out of everyone's business or not have a say in the matter. It means they want to gut all social programs being run by the government, up to and including social security and medicare/medicaid. Because they don't care and the government shouldn't care either according to their agenda.

Also, that whole sentiment is bullshit anyway. When the tea party gained power their first order of business wasn't the budget or the debt, it was trying to enact broad social reform all over the country. I'm pretty the very first bill submitted by them was an anti abortion law.

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Originally Posted by BoatMan 

 

That depends on whether the GOP has learnt the lesson or not. Hint, they haven't.

 

I'm all for a relevant Republican Party, in fact I am very much FOR it. Especially since I am quite conservative, while still being hardcore Democrat. We need the other side to balance out the Dems, because they can be just as crazy if left in power unchecked for too long.

 

With that being said however, the GOP needs to be hurt ... alot. The stench of what these guys have done to this country and middle class starting with Reagan is going to linger for quite a while. They need to spend some time in irrelevance to hopefully get the 'poison' out of their system.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I want a reasonable GOP.  But that is worse for the short term electoral prospects of the Dems, while being better for the nation in the long run.  And while the Dems could go as mad with power as any other party that goes unchallenged too long, I don't think its current incarnation will need as much detoxing time to bounce back from it, unlike the current GOP, which has played wedge politics so hard for so long that they need to sit down, get their head on straight, and reorient themselves as to what the actual American voter looks like and cares about these days.  If only so they can manipulate them more effectively.

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Originally Posted by Schwartz 

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, I want a reasonable GOP.  But that is worse for the short term electoral prospects of the Dems, while being better for the nation in the long run.  And while the Dems could go as mad with power as any other party that goes unchallenged too long, I don't think its current incarnation will need as much detoxing time to bounce back from it, unlike the current GOP, which has played wedge politics so hard for so long that they need to sit down, get their head on straight, and reorient themselves as to what the actual American voter looks like and cares about these days.  If only so they can manipulate them more effectively.

I agree, it's too bad they didn't get the house also.

The mid terms will be very telling this time around. If the GOP doesn't start moving in a more rational direction by at least then, their hopes for 2016 will be very bleak.

I think the midterms may be the last dry heaves of the old style, which can still be very effective on the state level.  But you can bet your bottom peso that the party leadership will be moving things toward the center by 2015.

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Originally Posted by Schwartz 

I think the midterms may be the last dry heaves of the old style, which can still be very effective on the state level.  But you can bet your bottom peso that the party leadership will be moving things toward the center by 2015.

Technically, if the GOP move to the center, they will be occupying the space where the Dems currently are.

This makes me wonder- What can the GOP actually bring to the political table? 

One of their main 'claims' was that they were all about 'fiscal responsibility'.  Given the last 30 odd years of GOP history, they have been shown to be anything BUT fiscally responsible.

Another 'claim' was that they were the party of a 'strong military'....they certainly love to spend money on the military, but when given the 'toys to play with', they have shown that they are unable to use them with any sense of competence.

They used to be the party of 'family values'....yet, have shown, on many occasions, to be incredibly hypocritical when trumpeting their supposed moral superiority.

I'm really starting to think that the GOP is at the end of their political evolution and are unwilling to admit it to themselves. 

GOP. LOL.

I realize that this is just pouring more salt on the wound but....

ATTENTION ATHLETES !!

DO NOT allow Mitt Romney to show up in person to the event you are participating in AND under no circumstances should you to actually meet him in person.

I'm still surprised he's being reported on, why?

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I'm still surprised he's being reported on, why?

morbid curiosity ?

This was originally from a few pages back...

Meet the Stars of "2012: The Movie"

there's more at the link

Guys, for fuck's sake, how many times do I have to remind you that Ted Danson is PERFECT for Mitt (same age too!)?

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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ 

So I just heard that there planning on a Game Change movie based on the next book by Halperin and Heilemann about the 2012 election planned for 2016, the book comes out fall of next year. Not the worst idea but I'd rather it being a miniseries there was so many things that won't be talked in detail or totally glanced over, I feel developing the characters in this way will be much better since mocking of Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich, Paul, Perry and Santorum will be minute at best nonexistent at worse. Plus tv shows have gotten much better lately and as the classic Tanner '88 showcasing political tv can come off well. That's my opinion anyway.

That's what should have happened with the first book too.   The movie we got was fine but the Democratic Primary was the more interesting story.   Maybe we'll get that one now.

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That's what should have happened with the first book too.   The movie we got was fine but the Democratic Primary was the more interesting story.   Maybe we'll get that one now.

'Game Change' - You have a bunch of big name 'stars' dealing with a catastrophe...the film is obviously a tribute to the 70's disaster films (Earthquake, Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, etc).

I'd do her.

Nah, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby 

I'd do her.

Maybe if i was drunk enough because she just annoys to such a deep level, it would probably the angriest angry sex ever, but Christine O'Donnell on the other hand. I guess she is the one conservative girl I've had a crush on. Sure she says insane things and don't want her anywhere near government, but at the same time she is so ignorant and she has no clue what she is talking about so it just makes her really cute in my eyes, I cant hate her, plus she dosen't really seem mean like the other Tea Party so that's a point in her book and she is really hot, and maybe she can teach me some spells. Tell me she isn't really cute in this picture.......

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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ 

 

 

Maybe if i was drunk enough because she just annoys to such a deep level, it would probably the angriest angry sex ever, but Christine O'Donnell on the other hand. I guess she is the one conservative girl I've had a crush on. Sure she says insane things and don't want her anywhere near government, but at the same time she is so ignorant and she has no clue what she is talking about so it just makes her really cute in my eyes, I cant hate her, plus she dosen't really seem mean like the other Tea Party so that's a point in her book and she is really hot, and maybe she can teach me some spells. Tell me she isn't really cute in this picture.......

 

Somewhere out there, there's a home for developmentally disabled adults taking a restraining order out against you.

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Maybe if i was drunk enough because she just annoys to such a deep level, it would probably the angriest angry sex ever, but Christine O'Donnell on the other hand. I guess she is the one conservative girl I've had a crush on. Sure she says insane things and don't want her anywhere near government, but at the same time she is so ignorant and she has no clue what she is talking about so it just makes her really cute in my eyes, I cant hate her, plus she dosen't really seem mean like the other Tea Party so that's a point in her book and she is really hot, and maybe she can teach me some spells. Tell me she isn't really cute in this picture.......

 

I've heard that some Christian youths believe that anal sex preserves virginity, so she may also be a little more open, as it were, to that route (if that's your thing). 

She's a Witch!

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I've heard that some Christian youths believe that anal sex preserves virginity, so she may also be a little more open, as it were, to that route (if that's your thing). 

Ha i'd be fine with that! Lol JK. I mean I cant think of any moderate Conservatives that look attaractive so I'll stick with my silly crush on "I'm a Witch" Christine O'Donnell. If there any others I want pictures! Kidding.

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She's a Witch!

Its a fact that she weights as much as a duck.

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Ha i'd be fine with that! Lol JK. I mean I cant think of any moderate Conservatives that look attractive so I'll stick with my silly crush on "I'm a Witch" Christine O'Donnell. If there any others I want pictures! Kidding.

SE Cupp is smoking hot!

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Its a fact that she weights as much as a duck.

SE Cupp is smoking hot!

Yeah I agree with that love her glasses and legs also as posted earlier Megyn Kelly of Fox News is really hot as well, actually it's harder honestly think of a hot non-hollywood actress liberal the only one i can think of is Krystal Ball and Michelle Obama.

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I've heard that some Christian youths believe that anal sex preserves virginity, so she may also be a little more open, as it were, to that route (if that's your thing). 

I went to high school with a chick that was down like that!  I think she was Catholic.

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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ 

 

Yeah I agree with that love her glasses and legs also as posted earlier Megyn Kelly of Fox News is really hot as well, actually it's harder honestly think of a hot non-hollywood actress liberal the only one i can think of is Krystal Ball and Michelle Obama.

Kris Williams. of Ghost Hunters fame, is right leaning and a beautiful woman. She looks for ghosts, so that makes her cool in my book. Yes I know I'm a weirdo. I know this post is a derail, but the election is over, so why not have some fun.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck. 

Are we getting some attempted re-writing of history now with a big dash of the old "fine, take it...I didn't want it anyway" excuse thrown in.

If he hated running for POTUS so much, why did he do it twice?

If true, IMO, this makes Mitt an even bigger dickweed.

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Originally Posted by VTRan 

Are we getting some attempted re-writing of history now with a big dash of the old "fine, take it...I didn't want it anyway" excuse thrown in.

 

 

If he hated running for POTUS so much, why did he do it twice?

 

If true, IMO, this makes Mitt an even bigger dickweed.

I think Romney wants to be President but hates the campaign process (and really who wouldn't and doesn't?). So I get that his heart wasn't really into running for President and not being self-aware enough to get that.

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My impression was always that Romney totally wanted to be president, more than just about anyone else alive. He just didn't seem too interested in running the country.

Yup. He wanted it as a validation of how wonderful he thought he was. And he didn't want to have to campaign for it, or do anything he found distasteful, like releasing his tax returns. He wanted the masses to recognize his glory and acclaim him president.

He's an incredible narcissist, even for a politician.

I think Paul Rudd's character on the last season of Parks & Recreation is an awfully insightful characterization of a lot of Republican politicians, Dubya AND Mitt in particular. Entitled, clueless rich people who see the office as a prize they deserve, not a job with a lot of hard work involved. Except Parks & Rec, being a warm-hearted, philanthropic show, made Rudd a much more fundamentally decent guy than the assholes they're satirizing.