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post #201 of 10455

Ron Paul always steals the show in these debates because he doesn't parse his words.  I loved him in GOP primary debates of old, which they let him participate in until it gets to the final stretch, then they usually cut him loose. 

 

His policies are total lunacy but you have to love his brutal honesty.  I'll have to find this debate online. 

post #202 of 10455

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I'm for all this.

 

No.  Just no.  I've already had an endless argument with The Closer about this so I don't want to repeat myself, but the short version is: it's penny wise and pound foolish.

 

So, the Constitution is calcified?  Is that before or after slavery was abolished?

 

It would be a much better country if that were true.  But "make their products safe" and "turn a profit" most often contradict each other, and in this post-Reagan era, monopolization has destroyed the odds for small businesses, so oftentimes if you like the way Restaurant X does it, when it's sold to Monopoly Y, you're never told, and then you have to start over.  Kids believe that if something is on the supermarket shelves, it can't kill you.  It's like believing in the Tooth Fairy these days.  And by the way, the safety inspector is a public job, paid for by taxpayers, and often overburdened and understaffed.  How does your philosophy play for the energy in your house.  Do you know how it's generated?  Do you know how you get your natural gas and if anyone's groundwater was destroyed finding it?  Do you know where the gas in your car comes from?  Do you know where your clothes come from?  Do you know the labor and environmental practices of that factory? 

 

The key being many other reasons.  And the Framers didn't march in lockstep. They all had different ideas.  But they organized a government with rules.  A slave state (England) had on rules except those dictated on the whims of a king.  Rules that can be legislated and enforced by democratically elected people's representatives make a free state possible.  The perversion of that by so-called "small government conservatives" is anarchy, such that the US will become a slave state with corporations instead of a king.  The corporations are chomping at the bit to get rid of the rules because they don't want a free state; they want a slave state.

 

I'm for boycotts but in the "global marketplace" with an out-of-control Wall St., they don't have an icecube's chance in hell.

 

You're so wrong.  They make it extremely hard to find out.  You can't even be told if your food is genetically modified or not.  The dairy industry fought even identifying which products have hormones and which don't.  And  you may have time to research, but the average person is too busy just trying to stay afloat that they don't have hours to commit to internet research.  I want my tax dollars to go into regulation.  I'm for that.  I know how most monopolistic transnational corporations operate; they don't give two s#!%s about public health, the air we breathe, the health problems we get as a result of their products, their degradation of the Earth.  Part of what goes into making huge profits is making someone else pay for what they call externalities.  They don't have to pay when people get weird cancers from the air, water, food, plastics, etc.  They don't have to pay when animals are poisoned to death.  They don't have to pay when people are displaced by "accidents."  Those are costs they should be paying and aren't.  Corporations are too big and we're seeing what that's doing to our world, health and way of life.  Without a strong government it's only going to get worse.  "Small government conservatives" don't seem to see that when, as Mrs. Palin says, "government gets out of the way," big business just drives over people and anything else that gets in its way.

 

Agree.  But we're all in this together.  The southern states that seem to hate "big government" the most get help when they have issues.  But any other time, they choose not to see that we're all in this together.  And if our great leaders didn't believe that we were all in this together, there would be no "United States" and the Civil War would not have happened.

 


"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." - Tenth Amendment
Really do we have to play this game. Obviously there is an amendment process that can change the Constitution. Until there is an amendment added/subtracted/changed, all the federal government can do is in the Constitution.


I wouldn't say most often, but yes sometimes "make a product safe" and "turn a profit can contradict for some companies" and they should be held accountable. I think the people that make the decisions that cause someones death should be fined and put in jail. As for your questions: Nuclear, there's a plant not twenty miles from where I live.  No, I don't know where my gas company gets it's natural gas from and I don't think there is yet a consensus yet of whether it destroys  drinking water or not. No and no.


Without the Stamp Act and all the various taxes that were add, it may not have progressed to the point of colonists protesting which then led to England retaliating. From there they went back and forth. Some colonists started to form secret governments in each state, so England would go in and stop it. The key being that if the colonists wouldn't have protested the taxes there may not have been any escalation. I don't read minds, so I don't know what one person or another wants, but when I speak of a small government, I'm only speaking of the federal government. I'm all for the States having more power then they have and to be in control of the majority of issues. Education, abortion, health care… should be left up to the states to decide.


The thing is you're using such generalities. Not every company is like this, but I'm sure some are. Some companies it may be extremely hard to figure out what the parent company is, but not all. Do I have the time to research everything that I purchase? No, but I do try to find time to figure it out when I can and if someone really want to try and find out something like that, they could try. Those costs should be paid by the companies, we agree. Big government likes to throw money at big companies no matter who is in charge. GE, oil companies, GM  all received subsidies from our government among many others. This really hurts small businesses that suck from the tit of government. They don't have the power hire lobbyists. I'm not against all regulations, but not all regulations are good.


Yes, we are in this together, but what is right for one isn't necessarily right for everyone. It's not just the southern states that hate big government.

 

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You need only look at the federal budget on defense to see how this control has gotten out of hand. There is no country outside of the U.S, that agrees or understands how we have 700 bases in over 200 different countries.

 

We can play these games about budgets and deficits all day the department of war (which is what it was called during WW2 and changed because it wasn't PC enough) continues unabated.

 

The national debt during Reagan's time was over 40 miles high if you stacked it in paper its continued as well unabated. We can't sustain and I contend its not bickering back and forth over trivial meaningless issues thats going to do anything in fact its planned they want collapse they want us on our knees. Its not about money or greed of currency or resources its about power and control.

 

If I am wrong so be it lets see what happens guys and gals. I'm ready to take a seat and watch the game my question remains what happens if that is the case?

 

1984 and Brave New World were a shot off the bow of this ship years and years ago lets see how we all swallow it.

post #204 of 10455

@Johnny Daywalker

 

I agree. We need to get out of these "wars" ( or as some people like to call it "kinetic military action") that should have never happened in the first place. The amount of money that is pumped into the DoD is ridiculous. Why do we need bases in England, Germany, Japan, etc... These countries have there own advanced militaries. The only just war is a defensive war, otherwise it's just murder. What's messed up is that politicians (not all, but enough to get us into them) love war.

post #205 of 10455
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I wouldn't say most often, but yes sometimes "make a product safe" and "turn a profit can contradict for some companies" and they should be held accountable.


By whom?

 

post #206 of 10455

Word is Newt'll be formally tossing his hat in the ring tomorrow, probably on Hannity.

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Wow, a commercial for an actual Libertarian paradise!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0&feature=youtu.be

 

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If you want a picture of the Tea Party future, Winston, imagine a Rand Paul supporter stamping on a human face forever.

post #209 of 10455

Seriously, fuck libertarians. 

post #210 of 10455

"You need only look at the federal budget on defense to see how this control has gotten out of hand. There is no country outside of the U.S, that agrees or understands how we have 700 bases in over 200 different countries."

 

I'd argue that a lot of countries understand all too well, which is why they structure their defence budgets around the Americans having to shoulder most of the burden and spend accordingly. Just look at LIbya and who contributed what as just one example.

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You need only look at the federal budget on defense to see how this control has gotten out of hand. There is no country outside of the U.S, that agrees or understands how we have 700 bases in over 200 different countries.



Amazing...we're so big on the military budget that we not only have bases in every country in the world, we have them in countries that don't even exist yet! 

post #212 of 10455
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Wow, a commercial for an actual Libertarian paradise!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0&feature=youtu.be

 



Gotta love the comments. "Pirates and tribalism are a BIG improvement on what Somalia was like before!"

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Meant 140 sorry.

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Insecure Republican Nutjobs Continue To Diddle The Vagina Of The Fundamentalist Right

 

 

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Mike Huckabee took his presidential tease to a new level on Saturday, apparently leaving his closest advisers in the dark as the former Arkansas governor prepared to announce on his Fox News Channel show whether he would move toward another White House bid.

 

The winner of the Iowa Republican caucus in 2008 planned to announce late Saturday whether he would explore a bid for the GOP presidential nomination. In an email to his advisers Friday, Huckabee promised that "things will get even crazier" after he speaks.

 

Still, his advisers said he was unlikely to run.

 

No matter what he does, Huckabee's decision has big implications for a GOP field that isn't yet set.

 

A hero of social conservatives, he ranks high in national popularity polls and would be considered a serious contender if he launched a campaign. He'd have the instant backing of many Christian evangelicals.

 

Should he opt out of a bid, Huckabee's network of support would be up for grabs in the critical early nominating states of Iowa and South Carolina where cultural conservatives hold much power in choosing the Republican Party's nominee.

 

Ed Rollins, who chaired Huckabee's bid four years ago, said the former governor has seemed more reluctant about running. Rollins said he didn't know what Huckabee would say and that was a sign he was likely to forgo running for president in 2012.

 

But in a series of interviews on Fox Friday and Saturday previewing his announcement, Huckabee cautioned that not even his show's producer knows what he'll say on the show.

 

"That's kind of refreshing because for the last several months they've all known," Huckabee said on "Fox and Friends" Saturday morning, when asked about predictions by political insiders that he wouldn't run. "They've either known for sure that I was or for sure that I wasn't, when even I wasn't sure. Now that I'm sure they admit they don't know."

 

Huckabee acknowledged in his email to advisers, posted on Time magazine's website, that his ties to Fox are limiting his ability to speak freely, even with his advisers.

 

"I will look forward to speaking with you soon and once I fulfill my sworn obligation to Fox, I will be free to discuss things that I can't now due to promises to them and to some possible legal considerations of the announcement," Huckabee said. Rollins on Saturday declined to release a copy of the email, but said the version posted by the magazine was accurate.

 

What is with these sociopaths and their demented need to jerk their base off like this?  I know, I know...it's yet another sordid example of the level these people (and their voters) operate on. 

gillittle.jpg  But c'mon!

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Huckabee's out. No-one wants to run in 2012, it seems.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post

Huckabee's out. No-one wants to run in 2012, it seems.



No one wants to lose to Obama. The country's going to have to have several things get worse before Obama loses, like a double dip recession, Iran gets nukes, or a total loss of the NFL season.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post

Huckabee's out. No-one wants to run in 2012, it seems.



 



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No one wants to lose to Obama. The country's going to have to have several things get worse before Obama loses, like a double dip recession, Iran gets nukes, or a total loss of the NFL season.


As much as I might hope for an Obama re-election, I see a less-crowded field of GOP contenders as a BAD thing.  The best thing that could happen is for the Tea Party faction and the "old school Republican" factions coming to loggerheads during primary season, causing bad blood that would spill over into the general election and quite possibly cost the Republican nominee votes.

 

I find myself wondering...heck, almost certain that there's a bunch of behind-the-scenes maneuvering going on within the GOP to minimize the number of people who'll be running for the nomination, so they can at least make a show of being a "unified" party.  Of course, Bachmann will probably throw a monkeywrench in those works.  I can see Huckabee being swayed away by TV money and/or maybe the promise of a cabinet or white-house staff position (or running mate slot?), but Bachmann strikes me as being ready to charge full-steam ahead, counting on her Tea Party support to win her several states in the primaries.

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I don't think it's really a strategy of putting as few GOP candidates as possible but rather nobody wants to be the guy or gal who lost to Obama.   In all likelihood, it's going to be Gingrich who gets the nomination.   He's in a position much like Bob Dole was back in '96 where if he loses, he can go on and retire and make Viagra commercials.   While Obama has problems with a sluggish recovery, the GOP has bigger policy problems.   Namely, the Ryan Budget.   The Ryan Budget is a clearest indication of where the Republican Party wants to take America that we've seen in the past 10-15 years and it's deeply unpopular.   Same thing goes for how some GOP governors are performing in regards to labor unions and the school system.    None of this is popular with the American people and if the election is going to be about policy issues rather than social issues, the Republican Party is going to have a tough battle ahead convincing voters that making Medicare a Voucher System and Union Busting is a good thing for America.

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I don't think it's really a strategy of putting as few GOP candidates as possible but rather nobody wants to be the guy or gal who lost to Obama.   In all likelihood, it's going to be Gingrich who gets the nomination.   He's in a position much like Bob Dole was back in '96 where if he loses, he can go on and retire and make Viagra commercials.   While Obama has problems with a sluggish recovery, the GOP has bigger policy problems.   Namely, the Ryan Budget.   The Ryan Budget is a clearest indication of where the Republican Party wants to take America that we've seen in the past 10-15 years and it's deeply unpopular.   Same thing goes for how some GOP governors are performing in regards to labor unions and the school system.    None of this is popular with the American people and if the election is going to be about policy issues rather than social issues, the Republican Party is going to have a tough battle ahead convincing voters that making Medicare a Voucher System and Union Busting is a good thing for America.

 

 

Gingrich popped in to be the foil of Obama running unopposed, giving the real candidates breathing room to announce on their timeline. Trump (not a seroius candidate) did the best thing in the world for any future candidate... he got Obama to release his birth certificate taking that question off the playing cards for any real candidate. 1/4 of the country thought he was born somewhere else (just like 1/4 of the country were "truthers" and 1/4 of the country thinks Osama is alive... the answer of course is, 1/4 of the country is just bat shit insane) and thats a lot of votes someone could piss off by dimissing the question as a joke.

 

Four former govs are sitting in the wings waiting to announce their intent to run ( Mitch Daniels, Jon Huntsman, Tim Pawlenty, and Mitt Romney). They don't need to worry about the base vote, as the base will vote AGAINST Obama, so the important part will be winning over the middle. They'll pop in later in the year, it's still way too early to be a serious candidate. Election isn't until November 2012.

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In all likelihood, it's going to be Gingrich who gets the nomination.   He's in a position much like Bob Dole was back in '96 where if he loses, he can go on and retire and make Viagra commercials.  


Thank you for that mental image. Wait, I meant "Fuck". Fuck you for that mental image.

 

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Anyone who didn't vote for or support the Ryan budget has the best chance of winning the nom, as that's deeply unpopular even amongst registered Republicans. I'd say that anyone who has so overtly courted the crazy in the right-wing would have the best chance of losing the general election, but we're not there yet. Gingrich is going to have trouble in that regard because he has a long list of crazy statements that he's made throughout the years.

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Trump (not a seroius candidate) did the best thing in the world for any future candidate... he got Obama to release his birth certificate taking that question off the playing cards for any real candidate.



Yeah, because that was an actual issue with non-racist American voters. "Gee, I'd totally vote for Obama, but I think he's actually from Kenya." Glad Trump cleared that up for everyone before dropping out of the running.

 

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Yup. All those concerned voters are definitely going to be voting Democrat now that they've been reassured that Obama was born on the right side of a line.

 

But I actually see the point Snaieke is circling. It was a tricky issue for Republican candidates to navigate without alienating either the base or swing voters, both of which they need to make any headway in the national election. Trump has given the party permission to write it off without drawing any great ire from the Tea Party.

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Today's Republican platform: "Most of us are batshit insane, but we promise to field a candidate that lessens that image somewhat."

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Trump fires himself from the GOP Presidential Campaign....

 

 

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Well, America, it seems you won't have reality-teevee faux-candidate for President to kick around anymore. Today was apparently the day that the Donald had to decide if he was going to step up and defend America's interests by yelling profanities at the Chinese over and over again until their regime collapsed, or re-up for another season of The Apprentice and continue to cash NBC's checks. Hmmm. I wonder which way he's going to go on this!

Let's go to his statement:

"After considerable deliberation and reflection, I have decided not to pursue the office of the Presidency.

This is good news for Salon's Steve Kornacki, who will keep his $184.27, having staked it on a bet that Trump's candidacy would never come to pass.

Trump's campaign peaked quickly and then subsequently collapsed after he became known as the Candidate Of Birthers, who glommed onto his quasi-campaign early and inspired Trump to become the latest, greatest loon to take on the issue. Trump had claimed, at one point, that he had sent "investigators" to Hawaii to uncover the truth, but then the White House went ahead and released President Barack Obama's long form birth certificate -- essentially taking away the central plank in Trump's platform.

That touched off a pretty humiliating week for Trump. He attended -- as the guest of the Washington Post, for reasons beyond understanding -- the White House Correspondents' Dinner, and sat in the audience as Obama and Saturday Night Live head writer Seth Meyers cracked numerous jokes at his expense. Then, when an actual news story broke -- the death of Osama bin Laden -- there was little room left in the newshole to continue covering all of Trump's attendant pseudo-events. In a fitting irony, coverage of the bin Laden announcement actually cut in to the climactic moment of an episode of Trump's "Celebrity Apprentice."

As is typical with politicians who drop out of races early, Trump insists that he totally could win the election if he decided to try:

This decision does not come easily or without regret; especially when my potential candidacy continues to be validated by ranking at the top of the Republican contenders in polls across the country. I maintain the strong conviction that if I were to run, I would be able to win the primary and ultimately, the general election. I have spent the past several months unofficially campaigning and recognize that running for public office cannot be done half heartedly. Ultimately, however, business is my greatest passion and I am not ready to leave the private sector."

Of course, the whole notion that Trump ranked "at the top of the Republican contenders in polls across the country" is about as far from the truth as it gets. His announcement today comes hard on the heels of polling results that found that public support for Trump's candidacy had basically collapsed.

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Sadly, this means an end to so many things I looked forward to seeing, like the sight of Donald Trump in an actual political debate against actual seasoned political debaters. Also, isn't it a pity that we shall be denied the opportunity of watching Trump's political ads? Now, we are left having to imagine them. And is he still going to publish his "heavily ghostwritten" policy tome? Let's hope so!

Many months ago, I spoke to Trump on the phone, and he told me, "when I make my announcement, I promise you are going to be surprised." As it turns out, he failed, even in this promise.

(Trump's next step, of course, will be to blame the media for the demise of his campaign, so we can at least look forward to that.)

 

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Well, this election is going to be fun.   Newt Gingrich does the smart thing on Sunday and distances himself from the toxic Ryan Budget and gets rewarded with his donors leaving him...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/18/gop-donors-deserting-newt-gingrich_n_863910.html

 

If supporting the Ryan Budget is the new litmus test for being a GOP presidential hopeful, then Obama's got this in the bag.

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Well, this election is going to be fun.   Newt Gingrich does the smart thing on Sunday and distances himself from the toxic Ryan Budget and gets rewarded with his donors leaving him...

 

Unbelievably, the backpedaling he did after that made me realize I still actually had a tiny amount of respect for him to lose.

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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post

Well, this election is going to be fun.   Newt Gingrich does the smart thing on Sunday and distances himself from the toxic Ryan Budget and gets rewarded with his donors leaving him...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/18/gop-donors-deserting-newt-gingrich_n_863910.html

 

If supporting the Ryan Budget is the new litmus test for being a GOP presidential hopeful, then Obama's got this in the bag.


LOL. Obama's added almost 700 billion dollars in new spending to the budget since taking office all while saying he is going to cut spending. If the budget is what decides the election he most certainly does NOT have this in the bag.

 

 

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LOL. Obama's added almost 700 billion dollars in new spending to the budget since taking office all while saying he is going to cut spending. If the budget is what decides the election he most certainly does NOT have this in the bag.

 


Yep, those are some of the same words he was using all right.

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If supporting the Ryan Budget is the new litmus test for being a GOP presidential hopeful, then Obama's got this in the bag.



The funny thing about words, though, is that when you use different ones in different combinations, they mean different things.

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LOL. Obama's added almost 700 billion dollars in new spending to the budget since taking office all while saying he is going to cut spending. If the budget is what decides the election he most certainly does NOT have this in the bag.

 

 



When will you get this through your thick thick skull?

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NY-26, a district that hasn't gone Democratic in forever, just voted for one. This does not bode well for the current Congress' re-election chances.

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NY-26, a district that hasn't gone Democratic in forever, just voted for one. This does not bode well for the current Congress' re-election chances.



I want to believe this will happen a lot come election time but I fully expect the Republicans to learn from this. They must know they are going to have to back off of the Medicare issue.

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Hey there, ho there - yes please...

 

 

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SARAH Palin has reignited speculation that she is considering a 2012 White House bid with the release of a two-hour documentary version of her book in which she is compared to Joan of Arc.

The film by Stephen Bannon is called The Undefeated and will premiere in the first-voting state of Iowa next month.

Mrs Palin, the former Alaska governor and 2008 vice-presidential candidate, secretly commissioned the production, based on her 2009 bestseller Going Rogue.

Mrs Palin is known to be fortifying her small staff of advisers and recently bought a house in Arizona, where associates have said she could base a national campaign.

The film portrays her as a maverick who can bring the low-tax, small-government ideals of the Tea Party movement to the White House.

According to Scott Conroy, a co-author of a Palin biography, the film is rife with religious metaphor, with ''unmistakable allusions to Palin as a Joan of Arc-like figure''.

The new documentary comes at a time when there is considerable disquiet within the Republican Party about the candidates lining up to challenge President Barack Obama next November.

TELEGRAPH, NEW YORK TIMES



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/palin-set-for-white-house-run-20110526-1f69i.html#ixzz1NWsuZNXD 

 

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If Palin runs and gets the GOP nod..it's game over and Obama will win in a land slide.

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I really really hope Mitch Daniels doesn't get the nomination, or if he does I hope Obama wipes the floor with him. He's turning Indiana into a major "let's not give women or homosexuals ANY rights" sort of place.
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Daniels isnt running.

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I really really hope Mitch Daniels doesn't get the nomination, or if he does I hope Obama wipes the floor with him. He's turning Indiana into a major "let's not give women or homosexuals ANY rights" sort of place.

Given he came out to say he was not running like a week ago means you must be in a cave. :-p
As a Hoosier living in LA it's sad to see what is going on in that state. Pulling funding from Planned Partenthood is just all kinds of stupid. That alone would have hurt him during any presidential run.
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the film is rife with religious metaphor

 

Ha ha.  Looks like Camping was right.  Nobody deserved to be raptured, this is the tribulation and Palin is clearly the whore of Babylon.

 

"The woman was arrayed in moose pelt and scarlet, and adorned with Far Side glasses and precious guns and tea bags, having a glossary full of abominations and the faultiness of her education."

 

Yup.  Sounds about right.

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I tend to refer to her as Shub-Niggurath, The Black Goat of the Woods With a Thousand Young. But not in front of my mom.

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I really really hope Mitch Daniels doesn't get the nomination, or if he does I hope Obama wipes the floor with him. He's turning Indiana into a major "let's not give women or homosexuals ANY rights" sort of place.

Given he came out to say he was not running like a week ago means you must be in a cave. :-p
As a Hoosier living in LA it's sad to see what is going on in that state. Pulling funding from Planned Partenthood is just all kinds of stupid. That alone would have hurt him during any presidential run.
I feel relieved and stupid. I really do need to turn my cable back on.
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Sarah Palin bus tour starts: No bus, but there are motorcycles

 

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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin rides into a motorcycle rally at the Pentagon wearing black leather and declaring, 'I love that smell of the emissions!' It's an untraditional start for such an event, which is usually highly orchestrated.

 

 

Based on their history of environmental consciousness, so does every other republican.

 

 

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Last week's announcement of the tour, which Palin said on her website was meant to start the "fundamental restoration of America," set off a paroxysm of new speculation about whether she would run for president. In a short essay on her website, Palin wrote that her tour would be a celebration of "historic sites, patriotic events and diverse cultures."

"We'll celebrate the meaning of our nation's blueprints -- our Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, which are the threads that weave our past into the fabric necessary for the survival of American exceptionalism," Palin wrote on SarahPac.com.

A person with knowledge of Palin's plans said the bus tour was conceived not as a whistle-stop speaking tour, but rather as a way for her to pay homage to touchstones of American history and give her a physical presence in the early-voting states. The bus tour will be divided into several legs, ending in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Iowa.
 
Later on this leg, Palin was thought to be planning to visit the Civil War battlefields of Antietam and Gettysburg, where she would lay a wreath at the cemetery. She also is expected to visit Philadelphia -- the Liberty Bell is a big graphic feature on the side of her bus -- and wind up in New Hampshire toward the end of the week.

 

...where the dramatic battles of Concord and Lexington took place.  What patriots these right wing lunatics are!

 

 


Edited by soylentgreen - 5/29/11 at 3:00pm
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John McCain: ‘Of course’ Palin can beat Obama

 

 

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Ariz. Sen. John McCain, who ran for president with Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008, says the former Alaska governor has what it takes to beat President Obama in the next election — that is, if she decides to run.

 

During an appearance on “Fox News Sunday,” McCain expressed optimism that Palin could win in 2012.

 

“Of course she can. She can. Now, whether she will or not, whether she’ll even run or not, I don’t know,” McCain said when asked about Palin’s presidential prospects.

 

McCain said Palin inspires “great passion, particularly among the Republican faithful,” but added that there’s a connection between her high unfavorability rating and the heavy media criticism of her.

 

I’ve never seen anyone as mercilessly attacked and relentlessly attacked as I have seen Sarah Palin in the last couple of years,” McCain said.

 

Ha ha ha...What?  Never seen anyone?  Really, John?  Really?

 

Someone's ready to be taken back behind the barn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #243 of 10455

Gods, after all the jokes, the to-ing and fro-ing, the scandals, the constant commentaries from her on everything and anything, the tv show, the quitting the Governership - she's really going to run isn't she.

 

...and do the Republicans really have anyone that they can put forward instead of her?

post #244 of 10455
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post

 

 

John McCain: ‘Of course’ Palin can beat Obama

 

Ha ha ha...What?  Never seen anyone?  Really, John?  Really?

 

Someone's ready to be taken back behind the barn.

 



To be fair, Democrats (like Obama) don't count.

 

post #245 of 10455

A really nice little summary of Palins return and the current state of Republican politics within that context...

 

 

 

Quote:
She’s back … and back … and back … Sarah Palin returned to the mediasphere this week, on the back of a hog, in a black German army helmet, roaring through DC as part of Rolling Thunder, the biker-Vietnam vet show of strength. The return of the irrepressible has sent a thrill through the hard right, and a shudder through any Republican interested in winning in 2012.
 
 For millions of dispirited rightists across the US, the pic of Palin roaring in, riding pillion, half Valkyrie, half groupie, is not merely something to gladden their hearts—it is the only thing that will gladden their hearts.
 
There is simply no one else on the right who can do what Palin does—reaffirm and personify the idea that there is a real America in exile, a patriot shadowland whose exclusion from power is ample proof that the world has gone mad, up is down, night is day, and, above all, black is white—or where white, by right, should be.
 
They have had not had an easy few months, these stalwarts. The Tea Party pseudo-movement gladdened their hearts—and was demobilised the moment the GOP regained control of Congress (the House, at any rate). Since the very few genuine activists associated with the movement have now been taken up by the DC lobby groups who adopted them when genuine grassroots protest emerged in 2009-10, no one remains to actually organise the Tea Party.
 
And since the rank and file was created out of the atomised, isolated and obsessive, it simply returned to its natural state—watching Fox News, and listening to Rush Limbaugh, while raging, in the burbs and malls, at the iniquity of it all.
 
Meanwhile, the victorious Republicans rapidly became bogged down in the business of politics—and tarnished it faster than anyone could have expected. Despite their hubris, their leadership realised, from November 2010 onwards, that there were three looming crises—crafting a budget, provoking a possible shutdown, and dealing with the debt ceiling law.
 
They have avoided one potential disaster—a budget shutdown, the ’90s version of which helped Clinton to a second term—but in doing so have been caught by the other, a budget that, excluding tax rises, had to make savage cuts.
 
For reasons best known to themselves, they allowed the budget process to be handled by a narrow clique of Ayn Rand fanatics who, with perfect consistency, went on the attack against the largest piece of socialism in the US system—Medicare, universal, unlimited, socialised health care for the over-65s.
 
This essentially drew the Tea Partiers from fantasy into reality—Medicare is the magic portal they simply refuse to recognise as part of the state. The result was evident last week when the GOP lost the New York 26th—one of those lovingly handcrafted gerrymander districts designed to deliver a Republican majority for ever.
 
The attack on Medicare essentially made clear the division between the elite Republicans and beltway ideologues, and the greater mass of Tea Party supporters, essentially shattering the fantasy that there was a unity between them.
 
Palin is the one figure who can restore that fantasy of unity to the raddled masses. Indeed, part of her appeal now is that even the hard-right establishment disapprove of her—she’s gone double rogue, meta-maverick.
 
The more she is denounced by grandees as unelectable, the more a vital core of the hard right redouble their efforts and love for her. The movement is now well into martyrdom phase, happy to lose if that is what it takes to reaffirm their fantasy identity against a messy politics in which centre-left and right—on issues such as war, Medicare, etc—have become perfused and commingled.
 
Right from the start it was clear that much of Palin and the Tea Party’s energy was gained from a giant historical cross-over of political style—for they took the wild renegade Americanism of the ’60s “yippie” movement and channelled it into the right.
 
From Ron Paul’s R(love)ution, his orange and black banners, his remote-controlled mini-airships floating outside rival GOPers meetings, to the colonial dress-ups and the “Porkulus” protests—pigs roasting on a spit representing the budget – the right restaged all the energy and exuberance of a libertarian late ’60s moment.
 
The hard right—Fox News, Freedom works, etc—were so desperate following Obama’s victory that they were willing to flatter and draw on this energy, which they had hitherto avoided. And for good reason, for its dominant serious figure was Ron Paul, anti-war, anti-PATRIOT act, happy to describe the Republicans as no more than a host-body for his politics.
 
Now that politics has jumped the species barrier, as it were. Palin and others have come out against the low-level conflict in Libya, risking accusations of disloyalty from straitlaced types, and putting them in a difficult situation as regards Afghanistan.
 
The politics are obvious—to make Obama wholly own wars  new and inherited, but it also puts libertarian anti-war politics at one pole of the right, while uber-patriotism persists at the other. Add the mess over Medicare, and confusion is total. The formation has ceased to exist.
 
Karl M would have said that this was farce following tragedy, but Palin’s helmeted hog-jockeying reminds one of something else. What is it? Of course:
 
Yes, the Republicans have entered their Animal House phase (on about the tenth anniversary of PJ O’Rourke making a funny joke). They’re in it for the kicks now, and the question of whether she’s running or not is to a degree a false distinction. It’s all about the energy. Toga! Toga! Toga!
 

 

 

post #246 of 10455

I've probably said this elsewhere, and if I do, I apologize for repeating myself, but Sarah Palin and the Democratic Party's new conservative wing seem like two sides of the same phenomenon: the GOP's phenomenal success at driving its intellectuals out.  We're left with two conservative parties, one of which just happens to be the "Idiocracy Now!" wing.

 

ETA: This is related in only the most indirect way, but it's such a breath of fresh air to hear that progress is being made in what's left of the democratic industrialized world, and live vicariously through them, while we stare down the threat of electing someone who eats with a cork on her fork.

post #247 of 10455

Thought about posting this on the "Economy...oops" thread, but I think it belongs here, as it explains what's driving the Tea party IMO

 

Why the white working class is alienated, pessimistic

 

Almost no one noticed, but around George W. Bush's reelection in 2004, the nation crossed a demographic milestone.

From Revolutionary days through 2004, a majority of Americans fit two criteria. They were white. And they concluded their education before obtaining a four-year college degree. In the American mosaic, that vast white working class was the largest piece, from the yeoman farmer to the welder on the assembly line. Even as late as the 1990 census, whites without a college degree represented more than three-fifths of adults.

But as the country grew more diverse and better educated, the white working-class share of the adult population slipped to just under 50 percent in the Census Bureau's 2005 American Community Survey. That number has since fallen below 48 percent.

 

More at ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110531/pl_yblog_exclusive/why-the-white-working-class-is-alienated-pessimistic

 

 

post #248 of 10455

Pawlenty says Obama instigates "class envy," calls for big tax cuts

 

 

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Republican presidential contender Tim Pawlenty is delivering a one-two punch on the campaign trail today, charging that President Obama has stoked "class warfare" at the expense of the economy, while laying out his most detailed economic plan to date.

 

In a speech to be delivered at the University of Chicago this morning, the former Minnesota governor promises that as president he would aim to grow the economy at a rate of 5 percent annually, rather than the current rate of less than 2 percent.

 

His plan to do so calls for a simpler income tax system with lower rates, eliminating the capital gains tax and other taxes, privatizing significant government-linked programs like the Post Office and rethinking all government regulation.

 

While delivering specific policy proposals that were absent from his official entry into the GOP presidential primary, Pawlenty also intends to play some politics in his speech, according to his prepared remarks.

 

"Regrettably, President Obama is a champion practitioner of class warfare," Pawlenty says. "Elected with a call for unity and hope, he has spent three years dividing our nation, fanning the flames of class envy and resentment to deflect attention from his own failures and the economic hardship they have visited on America."

 

 

Well if this doesn't remove all doubt that Placenta is just another Republican toad.  How can so many people see reality through such a fucked up prism?  The hilarity of these endless "4 Year Plans" that these creeps keep vomiting out is negated by the genuine threat that half of the voters in this country are clinically insane and fall for these bigoted hucksters time after time after time. 

 

 

 

post #249 of 10455

He is right, though. There is class warfare, and the rich fucktards that the Republicans (and to an extent the Democrats) keep blowing are going to find themselves on the wrong end of a guillotine if they insist on living in their own little fucking bubble.

 

Sorry, Pawlenty and his ilk just piss me off.

post #250 of 10455

So, just about all of Newt Gingrich's senior staff resigned en mass and no comments?   Forget the debate about whether he'll survive the primaries but rather if he'll even make it to the primaries at this point.   I've never seen a campaign implode like this one and it's only a few weeks old.   Amazing!

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