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post #3951 of 10455

Rubio has certainly been making the rounds on the talking head shows and trying to sound all vice-presidential.

He's supposed to be on The Daily Show tonight (6/25)

 

I can see Ryan being somewhat of a GOP wet dream...but his budget plan(s) have been picked apart and shown to be complete bullshit.

 

Jindal may have been a possibility at one time but he's a deer in the headlights if we can go by his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech.

 

Pawlenty is just another politician that was grown  from the same cloning tank that the GOP grew Romney from....a Romney/Pawlenty ticket would have to be sponsored by 'Wonder Bread'

 

the others.....as of right now ??  

post #3952 of 10455

I think it's going to be Ryan. The GOP seems to be going full retard. 

post #3953 of 10455

If there will only be one dominant meme during election, I hope it will be this:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/21/mendacious-mitt-romney-bid-liar-in-chief
 

post #3954 of 10455
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I think it's going to be Ryan. The GOP seems to be going full retard. 


If that is true, wouldn't they go with "heeelllo, myyyy naame is Bobbby Jindal"?

post #3955 of 10455
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post


If that is true, wouldn't they go with "heeelllo, myyyy naame is Bobbby Jindal"?

 

Too much color. 

post #3956 of 10455
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Originally Posted by pervis42 View Post

If there will only be one dominant meme during election, I hope it will be this:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/21/mendacious-mitt-romney-bid-liar-in-chief
 

 

This is a brilliant piece.  It's depressing to read it and know the writer Michael Cohen is being completely factual, but it's refreshing to see Romney's strategy of perpetual lying reported so plainly in all its dimensions. 

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post #3958 of 10455
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Too much color. 


But comical!

post #3959 of 10455

 I saw Rubio on The Daily Show and I was happy with Stewart's interview. Rubio called Obama the most divisive President ever. Stewart brought all the GOP filibusters, the goal of making Obama a one term President, saying they will only work with Obama if he does exactly what he wants, and rejecting Republican ideas like cap n trade and a health care mandate. Rubio dodged the question by saying the filibuster was the only tool of the minority party.


Edited by Chaz - 6/25/12 at 11:31pm
post #3960 of 10455

Wait, decisive or divisive?

post #3961 of 10455

The later.

post #3962 of 10455

I don't know how I feel about this "outsourcing" tack.  It's good politics, but it's a load of bs.  I'm sure Bain did at times send jobs overseas as a part of restructuring companies, but there's some false equivocation going on and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

post #3963 of 10455
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I don't know how I feel about this "outsourcing" tack.  It's good politics, but it's a load of bs.  I'm sure Bain did at times send jobs overseas as a part of restructuring companies, but there's some false equivocation going on and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

The only liability is that it's complicated to explain but Bain Capital had specialists in off-shoring jobs.  I don't think it's a case of they happened to send jobs overseas because they had to.  That's how you reduce costs at the bottom to multiply profits at the top.  I think it's fair game and hopefully people will be able to make the connection between their decimated home towns and Romney and his "specialty.'

The other day I paged through The Encyclopedia of Bad Taste, which was not as funny as it was depressing because it's a relic of an era when we made things in the United States.  Those days are gone because of the law-changing and off-shoring of the Romneys of the world.  I can't believe what they do is even legal.  It shouldn't be.

 

Meanwhile, Brazil raised tariffs to protect its domestic manufacturing base and what happened?  Did investment leave?  No. Foxconn built a factory in Brazil.  Shazam. 

post #3964 of 10455
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The only liability is that it's complicated to explain but Bain Capital had specialists in off-shoring jobs.  I don't think it's a case of they happened to send jobs overseas because they had to.  That's how you reduce costs at the bottom to multiply profits at the top.  I think it's fair game and hopefully people will be able to make the connection between their decimated home towns and Romney and his "specialty.'

The other day I paged through The Encyclopedia of Bad Taste, which was not as funny as it was depressing because it's a relic of an era when we made things in the United States.  Those days are gone because of the law-changing and off-shoring of the Romneys of the world.  I can't believe what they do is even legal.  It shouldn't be.

 

Meanwhile, Brazil raised tariffs to protect its domestic manufacturing base and what happened?  Did investment leave?  No. Foxconn built a factory in Brazil.  Shazam. 

 

yt, I am in no way supportive of a Romney presidency but the Washington Post article that was the source of all this is terribly misleading.  "Outsourcing" means one thing colloquially today.  In the 1990's it was a term of art used by businesses to describe the process of taking functions that were once internal, say packaging, and pushing those functions onto third-parties.  Sometimes those functions found their way outside the U.S., other times they didn't.  It's hard to tell from the article which were which.

Take this quote "Modus Media said it was already serving Microsoft from Asian locations in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan and in Europe and the United States.

Two years later, Modus Media told the SEC it was performing outsource packaging and hardware assembly for IBM, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Computer Corp. The filing disclosed that Modus had operations on four continents, including Asian facilities in Singapore, Taiwan, China and South Korea, and European facilities in Ireland and France, and a center in Australia."

There is nothing inherently wrong with the kind of "outsourcing" Modus Media was talking about.  They took a role that was once internal, "packaging and hardware assembly", specialized in it, and were able to do it for other businesses in a way that was presumably cheaper and more efficient than those businesses doing it on their own.  Now, maybe they were able to do it cheaper because they were using cheap labor.  The article doesn't touch on that, it only indicates that Modus was an international operation (so what?) that "outsourced" in this completely different sense of the word than we've become accustomed to.

I need a lot more information before I jump on this bandwagon.

post #3965 of 10455

Also, Rubio on The Daily Show was scary.  I've never seen the dude except in short clips, but he's smart, articulate, and charismatic.  He's wrong, but he's able to be wrong in a way that sounds convincing... and that's what's scary.

post #3966 of 10455
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Also, Rubio on The Daily Show was scary.  I've never seen the dude except in short clips, but he's smart, articulate, and charismatic.  He's wrong, but he's able to be wrong in a way that sounds convincing... and that's what's scary.

 

hmmm...smart, articulate and charismatic....who does that remind me of....oh yeah.

Batemanas.jpg

 

 

The summation of the GOP's ideals is a around 9:10 in part 2 of that interview.

 

"there's only one way to solve the problem"

post #3967 of 10455
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Originally Posted by JuddL View Post

 

yt, I am in no way supportive of a Romney presidency but the Washington Post article that was the source of all this is terribly misleading.  "Outsourcing" means one thing colloquially today.  In the 1990's it was a term of art used by businesses to describe the process of taking functions that were once internal, say packaging, and pushing those functions onto third-parties.  Sometimes those functions found their way outside the U.S., other times they didn't.  It's hard to tell from the article which were which.

Take this quote "Modus Media said it was already serving Microsoft from Asian locations in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan and in Europe and the United States.

Two years later, Modus Media told the SEC it was performing outsource packaging and hardware assembly for IBM, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Computer Corp. The filing disclosed that Modus had operations on four continents, including Asian facilities in Singapore, Taiwan, China and South Korea, and European facilities in Ireland and France, and a center in Australia."

There is nothing inherently wrong with the kind of "outsourcing" Modus Media was talking about.  They took a role that was once internal, "packaging and hardware assembly", specialized in it, and were able to do it for other businesses in a way that was presumably cheaper and more efficient than those businesses doing it on their own.  Now, maybe they were able to do it cheaper because they were using cheap labor.  The article doesn't touch on that, it only indicates that Modus was an international operation (so what?) that "outsourced" in this completely different sense of the word than we've become accustomed to.

I need a lot more information before I jump on this bandwagon.

 

I do think there's something wrong with it.  I think outsourcing and off-shoring both are practices designed to rob this country of wealth for a very small elite class of people.  A company does not thrive in America on the strength of its own will.  It thrives because we have created a system and given it to those same elites for free, and they have taken from us and used their position to enrich themselves.  When they off-shore and outsource jobs both, they are abdicating the responsibility of paying us back for what we did for them.  Therefore, stealing, in my opinion. 

 

If you look at the beginning of the end for the middle class, it's when Reagan began relaxing trade barriers and not a single president after him gave two licks about trade policy, except to make it easier for the elite to use overseas slave labor.  But if you look at the history of this country, we always had tariffs prior to this.  We didn't even have income taxes for the first 150 or so years because tariffs covered the budget.  Remove the tariffs and trade protections and Ross Perot's "giant sucking sound" became reality.  The jobs went away.  50,000 factories closed up shop during the Bush administration alone.

 

Meanwhile, India has strict ownership policies about who can do business inside India.

 

China also has strict ownership policies and strong tariffs on top of that.

 

Many European countries, including Sweden and Germany, have strong tariffs to protect their manufacturing base.

 

South American countries like Brazil, as I mentioned, turned their attention to their own trade policy and have thrived as a result of the protections they put in place.

 

Yet, in the United States, no one in the media -- not on Rachel Maddow, not on NPR, and definitely not on Fox, CNN or the networks -- will anyone EVER even broach the subject of trade policy in relation to US jobs, much less even let the word tariffs be said.  As I posted once or twice in this forum, I heard a caller ask about it on NPR and the caller was shut down IMMEDIATELY with "the jobs aren't coming back."  No discussion of tariffs is allowed in this country, which is telling.

 

So, sorry to be long-winded, but I think we've been conditioned to think there's nothing wrong with outsourcing and off-shoring, but I think there's something seriously wrong about it.  I think it should be discussed.  I wish there was someone somewhere in the media (other than Thom Hartmann, who barely has a postage stamp-sized patch of market share) would talk about it. 

 

And Mitt Romney truly is a poster boy for this kind of thinking.  He and his colleagues at Bain Capital are opportunists who have looked at the law and figured out how to make massive (stolen) profits by creating and exploiting loopholes in the law virtually at the expense of this country's collective wealth.

post #3968 of 10455

Meanwhile, I gave again to Obama's campaign.  I'm thinking about making a regular monthly donation.  Money needs to get out of politics but that won't happen before November and it won't even have an ice cube's chance in hell of every happening if Romney wins.  A week ago I gave a small amount to the campaigns of Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.  I don't have a lot of money to throw around but this is the year Citizens United comes in to full bloom, and in something like 95% of elections, the candidate or cause that spends the most wins.  In short, if you haven't already, I urge anyone who has any extra cheddar to pitch in to Obama's and others' campaigns.  It's us against the Koch @$$#&!3$ after all.
 

post #3969 of 10455

You are right about globalization coming back to bite the ass of the middle class.  No question.  But I do fear those jobs aren't coming back.  No amount of tariffs, short of really fucking up our economy, is going to make it cheaper and more efficient to manufacture in the U.S. than, say, China.  We're too far behind.  Google "Paul Krugman" and "industrial clusters".

post #3970 of 10455
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You are right about globalization coming back to bite the ass of the middle class.  No question.  But I do fear those jobs aren't coming back.  No amount of tariffs, short of really fucking up our economy, is going to make it cheaper and more efficient to manufacture in the U.S. than, say, China.  We're too far behind.  Google "Paul Krugman" and "industrial clusters".

 

Yeah, but why should American workers have to compete with slave labor in China?  This is where I think the contemporary US thinking gets it wrong.  Why is it incumbent on us to make things easy for CEOs rather than for doing what's right for our own country?  The workers at Foxconn in Brazil make twice what their counterparts in China make.  Why is Foxconn willing to spend so much on Brazilian labor?  Because they want access to Brazil's growing market of consumers.  Think about that. 

post #3971 of 10455

We're already competing with China:

 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-free-online-shipping-warehouses-labor

 

Romney murdered Kay Bee Toys.  That will never be forgiven.

post #3972 of 10455
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Yeah, but why should American workers have to compete with slave labor in China?  This is where I think the contemporary US thinking gets it wrong.  Why is it incumbent on us to make things easy for CEOs rather than for doing what's right for our own country?  The workers at Foxconn in Brazil make twice what their counterparts in China make.  Why is Foxconn willing to spend so much on Brazilian labor?  Because they want access to Brazil's growing market of consumers.  Think about that. 

 

exactly.

 

Say what you want about Henry Ford and his politics, at the time this was pretty revolutionary thinking.

Henry Ford's $5-a-Day Revolution

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Henry Ford had reasoned that since it was now possible to build inexpensive cars in volume, more of them could be sold if employees could afford to buy them.
post #3973 of 10455

This article takes a more honest approach to the implications of "outsourcing", and I think goes to some of what yt was pointing out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/romney-campaign-outsourcing-offshore_n_1627761.html

post #3974 of 10455

JuddL, regarding that HuffPo article, it's interesting that that's where the Romney campaign went for shelter.  Bizarre!

 

I've seen both outsourcing and off-shoring firsthand at the companies where I have worked, whereby longtime employees with decent pay and benefits are laid off and their functions are outsourced to contractors who offer bad pay and no benefits to their workers.  It's never ended well in terms of their functions (IT & A/P, for example), but in one instance what began as outsourcing became off-shoring, as the contractor stateside was given the heave ho in favor of outfits in Croatia and Phillippines which cut the costs in half.  Sure there's a difference between the two, but both transform labor into the most disposable and least valued component of an operation.   it also sometimes leads to highers costs if something goes wrong with the contractor, which it often does given the twice-removed relationship of the workers to the client company and bad working conditions.  Meanwhile, at the company, the implicit lesson to those whose jobs have not yet been outsourced/off-shored is that you're next, creating a culture of fear, which is the antithesis of the entrepreneurial spirit that allegedly goes into the whole American exceptionalism thing.  I've seen this whole cycle in action too many times. 
 


Edited by yt - 6/26/12 at 3:05pm
post #3975 of 10455
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Meanwhile, I gave again to Obama's campaign.  I'm thinking about making a regular monthly donation.  Money needs to get out of politics but that won't happen before November and it won't even have an ice cube's chance in hell of every happening if Romney wins.  A week ago I gave a small amount to the campaigns of Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.  I don't have a lot of money to throw around but this is the year Citizens United comes in to full bloom, and in something like 95% of elections, the candidate or cause that spends the most wins.  In short, if you haven't already, I urge anyone who has any extra cheddar to pitch in to Obama's and others' campaigns.  It's us against the Koch @$$#&!3$ after all.

 

If you get calls from Obama for America, the DNC, or the DCCC, please, please, please give to them that way. With a credit card. It helps out the callers so much. It might even be me on the other end of the line.

post #3976 of 10455
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If you get calls from Obama for America, the DNC, or the DCCC, please, please, please give to them that way. With a credit card. It helps out the callers so much. It might even be me on the other end of the line.


I try to be nice, because it's such a thankless job but man, I donate to the DNC once and now the calls are nonstop!

post #3977 of 10455

Well, at least you're nice.

 

Additional note: our headsets can't hear when you hang up. So please say "no thanks" at least. If you hang up without saying anything, we'll go through our script until it comes time to wait for a response. It makes... some people... feel very bad.

post #3978 of 10455

Whiteboy, if I would have known this, I'd have called you instead of going to the site, but I never give my phone number to these things.  I don't need to be reminded -- when I can I always give.  Who are you making calls for?

post #3979 of 10455

A Cautionary Tale Regarding Outsourcing

 

This is still unfolding over here, but NatWest - one of the country's biggest banks - are going to end up near-bankrupting themselves paying out settlements to customers whose lives have been disrupted and finances destroyed.

post #3980 of 10455
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A Cautionary Tale Regarding Outsourcing

 

This is still unfolding over here, but NatWest - one of the country's biggest banks - are going to end up near-bankrupting themselves paying out settlements to customers whose lives have been disrupted and finances destroyed.

 

Every day I'm appalled at how much people will tolerate from corporations.  This is exactly the kind of monumental f***-up outsourcing invites.

post #3981 of 10455
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Whiteboy, if I would have known this, I'd have called you instead of going to the site, but I never give my phone number to these things.  I don't need to be reminded -- when I can I always give.  Who are you making calls for?

 

Telefund. They make calls for a lot of progressive organizations - Amnesty, HRC, NOW, ASPCA, the Mother Jones investigate fund, the ACLU, and more.

post #3982 of 10455
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Telefund. They make calls for a lot of progressive organizations - Amnesty, HRC, NOW, ASPCA, the Mother Jones investigate fund, the ACLU, and more.

 

I have probably talked to your colleagues or even you because those are all up my alley. 

post #3983 of 10455

Voter ID gives PA to Romney.

 

 I'm from PA and since I'm a white dude, I'm allowed to vote, and I voting for Obama.


Edited by Chaz - 6/27/12 at 10:43pm
post #3984 of 10455
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Voter ID gives PA to Romney and that's its sole purpose.

Explicated for your convenience!
post #3985 of 10455

According to a National Geographic poll, Obama would be a better at handling an alien invasion than Romney. What a stupid poll. Everybody knows that aliens are our friends and jump started civilization as we know. Don't people watch Ancient Aliens?!?!?!

post #3986 of 10455
Breaking news:

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From SCOTUSBlog:
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In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

The mandate was the wedge that could have been used to strike down the rest of the health care reform. The mandate was the compromise intended to make palatable to insurance companies the law's requirement that they spend 80% of their income on benefits (a provision that has already caused insurance rates to drop in cost for some) and do away with the practice of turning away customers who have pre-existing medical conditions.


ETA: In a response to the case, Mitt Romney has said that, if elected, he would repeal the Supreme Court's decision on his first day in office. Mitt Romney is not running for Supreme Court Justice.


Also ETA: Here's Romney, in 2006, explaining that the health insurance mandate is essential.



Also also ETA: Buzzfeed has a collection of tweets from Americans thinking about protesting the encroaching socialism of the Affordable Care Act by moving to Canada. Canada has a socialist health care system.
Edited by Reasor - 6/28/12 at 3:30pm
post #3987 of 10455

can we pay Mexico to take TX off our hands...?


FYI- it's a PDF
2012 Texas Republican Platform

summary-
http://www.indecisionforever.com/blo...lican-platform

 

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With the adoption of the 2012 Texas Republican Party Platform at the state convention earlier this month, we have part of our answer. Here are the Platform's finer moments…

1. "We oppose sale and use of the dangerous 'Morning After Pill.'"

2. Maybe they're just jealous of Florida's voter purge: "We urge that the Voter Rights Act of 1965 codified and updated in 1973 be repealed and not reauthorized."

3. The No Newt Gingriches Allowed Act: "We believe in the sanctity of marriage and that the integrity of this institution should be protected at all levels of government. We urge the Legislature to rescind no-fault divorce laws. We support Covenant Marriage."

4. Don't think of the children: "We unequivocally oppose the United States Senate’s ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child."

5. No, seriously, don't: "We support eliminating bureaucratic prohibitions on corporal discipline and home schooling in foster homes… We recommend that local school boards and classroom teachers be given more authority to deal with disciplinary problems. Corporal punishment is effective and legal in Texas… We oppose actions of social agencies to classify traditional methods of discipline, including corporal punishment, as child abuse."

6. BECAUSE FREEDOM: "We affirm… the incompatibility of homosexuality with military service."

7. Was it the black helicopters? "We support the withdrawal of the United States from the United Nations and the removal of U.N. headquarters from U.S. soil."

8."We strongly support women who choose to devote their lives to their families and raising their children. We recognize their sacrifice and deplore the liberal assault on the family."

9. At least their policy on Israel is based on a nuanced understanding of American interests and Middle East geopolitics. Just kidding: "Our policy is based on God's biblical promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel and we further invite other nations and organizations to enjoy the benefits of that promise."

10. REPEAL IT: "We believe the Minimum Wage Law should be repealed."

11. REPEAL IT: "We urge Congress to repeal government sponsored programs that deal with early childhood development."

12. REPEAL IT: "We urge immediate repeal of the Hate Crimes Law."

13. REPEAL IT: "We recommend repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, with the goal of abolishing the I.R.S and replacing it with a national sales tax collected by the States."

14. What about Amurican identity? "We believe the current teaching of a multicultural curriculum is divisive. We favor strengthening our common American identity and loyalty instead of political correctness that nurtures alienation among racial and ethnic groups."

15. The plank that explains all other planks: "We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that… have the purpose of challenging the student's fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

post #3988 of 10455

We were talking about that in the Republican Party thread. Copy+Paste it and you've got Florida too.

post #3989 of 10455
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We were talking about that in the Republican Party thread. Copy+Paste it and you've got Florida too.


d'oh.... no wonder I had a sense of deja vu.

post #3990 of 10455

Meanwhile... Mitts is still a robot version of Flintheart Glomgold:

 

 

 

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I think this is a land of opportunity for every single person, every single citizen of this great nation. And I want to make sure that we keep America a place of opportunity, where everyone has a fair shot. They get as much education as they can afford and with their time they’re able to get and if they have a willingness to work hard and the right values, they ought to be able to provide for their family and have a shot of realizing their dreams.

 

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/06/29/509068/romney-education-afford/?mobile=nc

 

That probably allies to K-12 too.  Since every good republican is supposed to send their kids to work in the nearest coal mine homeschool their children.

post #3991 of 10455
In 2008, the Republican candidate's campaign consisted almost entirely of "you will literally be murdered by terrorists if you don't vote for me."
He lost anyway.

In 2012, the Republican candidate has to run on "you'll be able to see a doctor if you don't vote for me."
Them's the breaks.
post #3992 of 10455
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We favor strengthening our common American identity and loyalty instead of political correctness that nurtures alienation among racial and ethnic groups.

 

"As long as that American identity is white."

post #3993 of 10455
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According to a National Geographic poll, Obama would be a better at handling an alien invasion than Romney. What a stupid poll. Everybody knows that aliens are our friends and jump started civilization as we know. Don't people watch Ancient Aliens?!?!?!

 

... or Prometheus? (Well, were our friends at least ...)

post #3994 of 10455

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the state-by-state data is up at 538.  Silver's predicting a 68% of an Obama victory.  That's pretty good, but not good enough for my comfort.
 

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That's a positive development but it's still only summer and a massive Brinks truck full of dark money will be dumped on Obama's head in the coming months.  And all the ol' dirty tricks will be pulled out of the various sleeves.  I will have that horrible insecure feeling until the election, and then, even if the President is reelected, until long after his second inauguration (is a reelected president inaugurated?  I can't remember...)

post #3996 of 10455

I should be worried about Obama's chances now, but considering that Romney is such a goddamn terrible candidate, I still consider Obama a pretty heavy favorite to win. 

post #3997 of 10455

Citizens United throws all normal reasoning in doubt. 

 

The "Romney is Mr. Burns, no really" drum is not being beaten hard enough: http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2012/07/03/more-evidence-of-mitt-romneys-evilness-hits-the-internet

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Herman Cain: The gift that keeps on giving.

 

while Herman is good for a chuckle, I can't help but wonder if he knows that we aren't laughing with him?

post #4000 of 10455

I have a feeling these jokes were written by a white guy....

 

http://caintv.com/MakeFunofEverybody-61

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