The 2012 Elections Thread - Page 83

Sorry, unwise post.

Edited by Graham - 7/15/12 at 5:04am

--George Will, seeing through Romney on ABC's This Week. He's not dressing Romney down in the same kind of language he used for Gingrich, not yet, but the conservative columnist and ABC news analyst has definitely decided that Romney is a crook here.

And Romney hits back hard with "Why is Obama being so mean to me???"

 

 

Obama is doing a masterful job of controlling the narrative this election cycle.   Not only is Obama successfully defining Romney but he's also got him on defense for weeks now.   What's more is that he's using one of Rove's favorite tricks of making an asset a liability and executing it perfectly.  

 

To those who think this will backfire on Obama, don't be so sure.   It hurts his hope and change brand a bit but I think the vast majority of Obama supporters wanted him to get this tough the last election cycle.   I'd say it's a net gain.

What's the asset that's being turned into a liability? The health care thing? Romney did that to himself. The fact that he's a bigwig in the corporate world? I think the general consensus is against that at the moment. The timing here worked out well for Obama--he's been handed an opponent who's emblematic of everything people are angry about at the moment. There's not a lot of spin necessary here.

 

What's amusing is that Romney's out of touch enough that he doesn't understand that his Rich Uncle Pennybags persona really is a liability.
 

 

Romney has been going on and on about how a "real world businessman"  (ie 'job creator' ) is needed to solve the countries problems....it turns out that the "real world businessman" was responsible for destroying companies and outsourcing jobs all the while making obscene amounts of cash while doing it. 

 

There is now the question about where all that money he made has been kept all these years.

 

...and now, your supposed base has started poking you with sticks.

 

Bill Kristol: Romney ‘Should Release The Tax Returns Tomorrow’

 

Alabama’s GOP Governor Calls On Romney To Release More Tax Returns: ‘Release Everything To The American People’

 

also....

 

Former Romney Partner At Bain Makes Case For Outsourcing

His asset in the primaries was his experience at Bain Capital.   He touts his experience there as proof he can create jobs.   Obama has done a great job of taking that asset away and Romney's response by whining is nothing less than disasterous.    If Romney didn't have so much money on hand for the general, I wouldn't be sweating this election at all.

Right, but my point is that I don't think Obama has to do much spinning there. People aren't really seeing high-rolling corporate downsizers as great leaders at the moment. I agree Obama's handling it well and Romney's handling it poorly, but the deck is stacked against Romney at the moment anyway. This is quite different from 2004, for instance, where a decorated war veteran somehow saw that spun against him (though I personally think that came back to bite them in the ass with McCain.)
 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tjwalker/2012/07/14/35-questions-mitt-romney-must-answer-about-bain-capital-before-the-issue-can-go-away/

 

Good consolidation of outstanding questions.  Never mind the "wtf where r teh questions about OBAMAS college transcripts!!?" comments.

I think he'd have answered most of those by now if he could so without further torpedoing his credibility.
 

should this have been posted in the Toy forum ?? :)

 

 

 

Yeah, what the fuck is with that battle cry? I'm starting to hear that being reported as a conservative response on mainstream news! What a pointless distraction! On one hand, we're talking about potential perjury from a presidential candidate, and you come back with "but what kinda grades did the black guy REALLY get in college?" Fucking idiotic. 

I kind of want the revelations to escalate as they stick to t his dogged determination to paint Obama as an academic underachiever.

 

"Governor Romney may well have had clumps of matted human hair and bloodied scalp slathered across the floor of his SUV trunk - that's a private matter, I think you'll agree. Now the real question in this election is how much *do* we know about the veracity of "President" Obama's verbal SAT score?"
 

 

Romney must FEED!

 

 

Sarah Silverman offers to dry hump billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson if he'll donate $100 million to the Obama campaign.

I hate Sarah Silverman.

I wonder if Kimmel is checking his balance?

I hate Sheldon Adelson.

 

The guy looks like Remo, the crime boss in 'Casino'

Whenever Silverman pops up in the Media it's for talking about someone she's fucked, someone she'd like to fuck, or someone she'll fuck if they do something in return. Is that her whole act? And no I won't waste my valuable time looking for her stuff on YouTube: Transformers 3 is on netflix streaming!

It's not her whole act.

 

You realize she's a comedian, right?

 

Enjoy Transformers 3...

How can anyone hate someone who words jokes around the phrase "big naturals"?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-says-gops-not-party-rich-those-want-012359242--abc-news-politics.html

 

 

Also, some important information on whether Romney played a role in Bain after 1999:

 

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romneys-bain-years-new-evidence-same-conclusion/

 

There's simply no evidence.  It's a strong campaign attack, but Obama risks it blowing up in his face.

I thought comedians are supposed to be funny? Zing!

 

"My vivid, human-like emotion sensors cause me to shed many water tears for these slovenly lower classes! I pledge to give every carbon-based life-form three gold pence!"

 

Meanwhile Cylon Baby is doing the most boring trolling I've ever seen. Step up your game!

I accidentally heard a Rush Limbaugh promo where he rip Obama for being not only a pot head back in the day, but a rude one too. I guess we all can't be a classy hill billy heroin addict like Rush.

Sarah Palin is livid that she hasn't received her invitation to the GOP Convention in Tampa, Florida. As if Mitt would have anything to do with somebody who doesn't speak English. He expects even his Swiss bankers to speak English.

 

 

I think that's one of the fundamental flaws of conservative thinking.  I get this when I argue with my dad about, say, the need for a living wage.  The need to help low income people whose jobs don't offer health care plans.  Etc...

 

There are always going to be poor (or at least lower income) people.  And not just in a "nothing will ever be perfect" kind of a way, but in a "it's an inherent aspect of the system" kind of a way.  Conservatives can talk about pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps.  About working hard.  About bettering ourselves.  Guess what?  Even if everybody did that, there wouldn't be enough high paying jobs for everyone.  And the more menial labor would have to fall to somebody.  Whose gonna haul away all our empty bottles of Dom Perignon? (Here's a hint: the people who actually have to wear boots.)

 

The right treat the poor like a burden on the economy, even though the rich set the wages which make the poor have to turn to the government for help in the first place.  And they pretend there's this fantasyland where if everyone just works hard enough, there's a six figure salary right around the corner office.  It's all a farce.

'Sarah Palin hasn't been invited to speak at the Republican Convention. That is OK, because she can see it from her house." Stephen Colbert.

 

George Carlin ~ The American Dream

 

I love Carlin and I agree with much of what he says, but his cynicism really started to become overpowering as he got older.

Worse, many (not all) on the Right view the poor as deserving of their condition. In its' most benign form they feel some people (read: most people) simply don't have the drive, gumption or intelligence to make it in this world. In the uglier view, the poor exist precisely so that a minority can enrich themselves off them.

Not trolling...it was a genuine off the cuff reaction.

 

Obama is already starting to air commercials that simply quote Romney while showing people out of work and statistics on the economy. Its' amazing how Romney is articulate yet manages to condemn himself by talking.

Edited by Cylon Baby - 7/17/12 at 12:04pm

 

My understanding is that at the core of conservative thinking historically is the idea that the rich are endowed by God to be better and therefore should be trusted to rule. 

I think that this ideology can be traced back to the concepts of the "Protestant Work Ethic"  ...which seems to have morphed into Dominion and Xtian reconstruction theology not to mention the $$ to be made in Mormonism.

 

"If you are rich, it's because god(s) willed it that way."

 

But to be fair, most religions believe that their religion is 'better' than those 'other' religions.

as pointed out by Jon on last nights TDS....

I realize it's not spelled the same way, but I'm surprised I haven't seen more of this "Bane Capital" image.

 

Totally stealing that.

what's funny is that I found that image over on that conservative nutjob PJ Media website.

The combination of Bane's mask with Romney's eyes and hair is just too much.  That shit belongs in the Spider Cricket thread.

The Romney aid saying he "retired retroactively" sounds extra-sketchy.

 

If he's forced to be on the defensive for so long, will Big Money stop coming in?  Or ramp up?  Because at some point, if his team is mishandling the message, no amount of money will win.

No because the big money (especially the Wall Street guys) hate Obama. They'd donate to a fucking Parrot if they thought he had a chance of winning.

God or nature, sure that is a major thread in conservative thought.

 

But then you have guys like Edmund Burke, who looked at the French Revolution (which was Breaking News for him) and said "this is a disaster!" and argued that gradual, incremental change is the best way to advance society, and also necessary. Also Tradition should be respected and deferred to, but again not mindlessly.

ETA: Also, what is considered "conservative" changes over time. Adam Smith was considered a Liberal if not a Radical when he published Wealth of Nations: today he is a conservative Saint.

Edited by Cylon Baby - 7/17/12 at 3:28pm

I'm just amazed at how badly Romney is handling this issue. It's really quite amazing that this is taking up Romney's whole summer. VP pick in 5, 4, 3, 2....

 

Rush Limbaugh is on to you, Hollyweird!

So Romney has almost literally been groomed for the Presidency by his family and the Salt Lake City cult since adolescence, but here Limbaugh is accusing photoshop humorists and comic book writers of being part of a conspiracy theory. That is amazing.

Incidentally, Bane was created for DC comics in 1993, before Romney entered electoral politics with his first Senate campaign, so the real life villains of Limbaugh's conspiracy theory would have to have access to the same time machine that the muslim socialists used to put Barack Obama's birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper in 1961. Wait, it makes sense now, conspiring together is the only way to put the time machine in DC's hands! It all fits! This is why we can't have a Justice League movie! Warner Brothers hates America! And Justice!

Meanwhile, the actual Romney campaign is having a second go at misrepresenting Obama quotes by editing them down into single sentence sound bites. While the candidate snivels and whines about the spotlight that's been put on his actual track record as a venture capitalist, the biggest weapon his campaign can find to wield against the incumbent President is the same video editing software that teenagers use to put mash-up videos of Daft Punk and My Little Ponies on Youtube.

 

wow,  Rush must have found a new Oxy dealer.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that Limbaugh doesn't still read Batman, let alone know who the characters are. I'm calling bullshit; the character is too much of a Republican power fantasy for Rush to not be a fan.

 

Slow clap for Mr. Limbaugh.  That is graduate-level stupid.

Our Liberal Media: "If Obama Wins, We Lose"

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/17/us/embed-america-energy-war/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

 

Christ in a coal bucket.

 

I'm sure Rush knows that Bane was created in '93 (and was even in a previous Batman movie) but do you think his audience knows this?   And that's the point.   He doesn't even care about facts but only truthiness and what will rile up his base of dittoheads.  Even in the context of the argument he's trying to make, it still doesn't make sense.   Isn't Bane in this movie essentially a stand in for the "Occupy Wall Street" movement and Batman represents the 1%?