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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post

I doubt anyone was thinking that when they were viewing this.  Well, ok, maybe you :-)

 

I'm not the mother of all deficit hawks, though. Also, the Gabe from the Office comparison is much more accurate.

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

I am pissed that Romeny saw fit to steal the score from Air Force One for his veep pick. It's inappropriate for a canidate for president to use that music, and, well, I don't like seeing him associated with a movie I enjoy. Harrison Ford must not really give much of a shit if he even bothered rolling out of bed this morning.

Fixed.

post #4553 of 10455

I'm trying to compare this pick to McCain's pick of Palin ... McCain's campaign got a big temporary boost that later probably helped him lose (I think he was going to lose anyways).

 

This pick can't really generate more excitement at all, seems more like a measure to lock in conservative votes who think Romney is not one of them. They were going to vote for him anyways.

 

At least the pick is consistent, with Romney picking a guy who like the philosopher who thinks "selfishness is a virtue".

post #4554 of 10455

It's similar, but dissimilar. Palin was clearly all sizzle and no steak. Ryan is vaguely steakish. He gives a respectable veneer to the same radical agenda that Palin espoused. 

post #4555 of 10455

"Vaguely Steakish" should be their new bumper sticker.

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Sarah Palin's reaction, posted on her official Facebook:

 

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Congratulations to Mitt Romney on his choice of Congressman Paul Ryan as his running mate. President Obama has declared that this election is about "two fundamentally different visions" for America. Goodness, he's got that right. Our country cannot afford four more years of Barack Obama's fundamentally flawed vision. We must now look to this new team, the Romney/Ryan ticket, to provide an alternate vision of an America that is fiscally responsible, strong, and prosperous--an America that understands and is proud of her exceptional place in the world and will respect those who fight to secure that exceptionalism, which includes keeping our promises to our veterans.
 
When I think about the direction our country is rapidly drifting in, I can't help but look at California as a cautionary tale. The Golden State once boasted the entrepreneurial innovation of Silicon Valley, the American creative engine of the arts, economically powerful and beautiful cities from San Francisco to San Diego, and fertile farmlands that helped feed the nation. Now it is descending into financial ruin accompanied by an exodus of middle class Californians leaving for other states. As one writer put it, California's "fastest-growing entity is government and its biggest product is red tape."
 
Obama's vision for America will make the rest of the country look like California, minus the beautiful scenery and warm weather.
 
Obama's America is today's California--complete with $100 billion taxpayer funded bullet trains to nowhere; out of control environmental extremists who have destroyed family farms and left some of the most fertile farm land in America fallow in order to protect a three inch fish; permanent high unemployment; government policies hostile to small business job creators; crippling high taxes; an abysmal real estate market; bloated government that wastes taxpayer money; endless budget shortfalls due to massive unfunded liabilities; city after city declaring bankruptcy; and a state government run by, in the words of one Wall Street Journal writer, "a brothel of environmentalists, lawyers, public-sector unions and legislative bums."
 
We can't afford Obama's vision. Our children can't afford it. Today we are over $15 trillion in debt and running up trillion dollar budget deficits year after year for as far as the eye can see. And our "leaders" have no plan to stop it! President Obama and this Congress don't even have the fundamental blueprint—a budget!—to outline where they intend to take us as they merrily roll along with their out of control spending and constant increases of our debt "limit." Our debt to China alone is more than we can ever hope to pay off in multiple generations. Such debt and dependence on foreign nations weakens us in countless ways. And yet our government keeps on spending despite the risks and despite conscientious, hardworking citizens telling them to just stop it. Our debt is growing by $3 million per minute. This debt, in conjunction with Obama's massive government over-reaches like Obamacare, has strangled the private sector, which in turn has stifled job growth and slowed all economic growth. The only way to get our country moving again is to get back to basics like normal people do with our home and small business budgets! That means we must live within our means, get government out of the way of our job creators, develop the God-given natural resources we have been blessed with to provide real jobs and real energy security, and stop growing government and wasting taxpayer money on D.C. cronyism and useless stimulus kick-backs for favored donors.
 
Barack Obama's record is one of dismal failure, which is why he isn't talking about it. He would rather spend his time demonizing his opponents. The simple fact remains that Mitt Romney is not responsible for the dire state of our economy or the corruption and incompetence of the current administration.
 
Over the next 86 days, Barack Obama will try to distract us from his record. Many in the media will roll along with him in this mission. We must not let them continue the deception and distractions, and we must not be afraid to call the President out on his lies. His entire record in office exposes the false promises he made four years ago. So, let's take a moment to remember what candidate Obama said just four short years ago.
 
Candidate Obama promised us fiscal prudence. But President Obama's reckless spending and lack of fiscal leadership has led to the downgrading of our nation's credit rating for the first time in history.
 
Candidate Obama decried reckless spending and promised to cut the deficit. But President Obama and those in Congress who control the purse strings and "go along to get along" have tripled it. President Obama's proposed budget was so absurdly and wildly irresponsible that not one member of Congress, Republican or Democrat, voted in favor of it. And yet the Democrat controlled Senate still refuses to pass a budget itself, and this refusal has been going on for years now. That is irresponsible and, much more, it's unconstitutional.
 
Candidate Obama promised us a "smarter government," but President Obama has created a government that's not too big to fail, but too big to succeed.
 
Candidate Obama promised us a plan for American energy independence. But President Obama has forced American taxpayers to subsidize bankrupt green energy companies with ties to his campaign donors. And when it comes to the energy we actually use to fuel our economy, President Obama's administration blocks drilling and drags its feet on the permitting process. Meanwhile, he supports foreign energy developments, but not American made energy development. His administration opposes everything from drilling in ANWR to building the Keystone Pipeline to coal plants, but he's all for subsidizing offshore drilling in Brazil and sitting back on his thumb while China moves in to pursue oil deals with Canada because his administration blocked responsible energy infrastructure development.
 
Candidate Obama promised us "the most transparent administration in history." But in addition to refusing FOIA-requested documents, President Obama's administration regularly holds meetings outside the White House and off the official White House visitor list with lobbyists and corporate interests they don't want us to know about.
 
Candidate Obama promised to unite all America, but President Obama has cynically divided us again and again in his efforts to win reelection by playing identity politics and class warfare and pitting one group against another.
 
Candidate Obama promised us a "fundamentally transformed" America, and that is the only promise he's delivered on. We can see now what his idea of "hope" is. Now we want change. He has failed to lead, so We the People must lead. And our leadership starts at the ballot box on November 6th.
 
Please continue to focus on the presidential race and on helping Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, but it's also imperative that we get involved in the nation's important House and Senate races. These candidates need our help to ensure that our next president has a responsible and ethical Congress that actually gets things done for America. Now on to November!
- Sarah Palin
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I don't say this lightly, but she is disgusting.

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I'm not usually such a stickler for titles, but that's President Obama, you sanctimonious hairdo.

post #4559 of 10455

They don't have a word for president in Muslim.

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To be fair, she does say "President Obama" several times. Given how often she mentions Obama by name, calling him "President Obama" every time would have been redundant...and yes, I'm surprised that Palin avoided redundancies here, as she does seem to be rather fond of them most of the time.  Also, referring to a sitting president by their name only seems to be a pretty common practice, intentional swipe or not...I mean, how often did his critics call former President Bush "George Bush", as in "We don't need more of George Bush's policies"?  I think I saw that more often than I did "President Bush", that's for sure.  It's not something that bothers me much.

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I can't believe I'm defending Palin here, but "Candidate Obama" is clearly referring to Obama in 2008, not currently.  Of course, there's nothing coincidental or innocent about how "Candidate Obama" is prominently featured at the beginning of every sentence.

 

And I never knew Obama was governor of California.  I thought it was some Repubilcan ex-actor...

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she may have posted that on "her" FB page but there is not a chance in HELL she wrote any of that....oh, I'm sure she put in her 2cents..."could we take out 'President', yah know...because he's not MY president"....but that is nothing more than tea party pablum. It got the stench of Rove-ian influence running all through it. 

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Of course it was ghostwritten. It's in correctly structured and punctuated English sentences, for one thing.
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   While driving to work this morning, I saw a billboard that said: OBAMA IS FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ABORTION! ARE YOU?

 

  Yes I am. Anyone who is against gay marriage doesn't believe in a small government that stays out of people's lives. If your for against abortion, then why aren't you for single payer health care. You think life is scared don't you?

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And here you all are paying attention to it for some reason.

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And here you all are paying attention to it for some reason.


I view it like the way one slows down to look at a non-fatal car wreck.

post #4567 of 10455
Spoiler: I'm not voting Romney/Ryan either. I pay attention to them because they provide entertaining spectacle.
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I've been offline for a week and came back to the Ryan news.  I think Paul Ryan is straight up scary.  Romney won't get any warm fuzzies from this choice and he had a major deficit in that currency to begin with.  Ryan's like a sick Dr. Frankenstein with his Randian fantasies and crazy eyes.  I don't think this helps Romney at all. 

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Thread Starter 

I dare say everyone in here has decided who they are voting for...probably years ago.  On the other hand, as a voter in Ohio, I am still looking at this election with a wary eye. I am far from a Romney fan, but I think President Obama has failed on many fronts. Sure, he's struggled against a highly motivated opposition. But most presidents have. But he keeps making misteps such as the recent flap over "You didn't make this" and the dragged out Fast and Furious mess.  The economy is slowing rather than speeding up. and that is always a barometer of a President's success.  I do regret voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries last time around.  He has definitely proven to be a disappointment. Perhaps he was sold as more than he was, but that is the price he has to pay. But I won't vote for Romney, who has proven to be the weakest winner of the weakest Republican offerings in my lifetime. 

 

Does anyone else wonder if the Republican powers that be are offering up Romney as a sacrifice, knowing the world economy is about to go into the tank, and they want Obama in office to take the fall?

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1000

 

1000

"Crap. Now I gotta make an extra stop at Wal-Mart to pick up some more rifle ammo. There goes my Sunday. Jerks."

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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post

such as the recent flap over "You didn't make this"  ...

 

How is that Obama's fault? If Romney is willing to edit quotes like that, there's really nothing he can do about it.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post

 

How is that Obama's fault? If Romney is willing to edit quotes like that, there's really nothing he can do about it.

 

It's not a one time flub, Cap. He's been saying stupid things about business for his whole term. Remember the Las Vegas flap? It hasn't been hard for Romney to paint Obama as anti-business. 

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You've got to be fucking kidding. Are you seriously talking about Obama's criticizing of people who used bailout money to go to Las Vegas as being "anti-business"? That was another bit of shameless spin on Romney's part. He's shoehorning quotes to fit his narrative.

 

"Not allowing huge corporations to do whatever they want" has apparently come to mean "anti-business". It's kind of like how people who don't think Christianity should be the legal religion of the United States are suddenly "anti-religion".

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We're on track for a 7 degree Celsius rise in temperatures in the next 90 years. Mass extinction, global devastation. All news that has come out in the past few months. Maybe our politics need to be about that, and not "the economy" "gay marriage" "the deficit" or literally any issue other than "half the species on the planet are about to die and those who survive will be living on the set of Mad Max".
Edited by Dr Harford - 8/12/12 at 12:11pm
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Well...shit.

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I actually agree that the environment is a huge deal and the reason I'm consistently to the left. If the right became convincingly green, started pushing for alternative energy, carbon reduction, reforestation and all that shit, but kept all their other horrible policies, I might nevertheless actually vote for them. As horrible as stuff like warrantless wiretapping and religious extremism is, that can be fixed. We only get one planet.

 

But it's silly to suggest that the economy doesn't matter. It does. It affects people's lives. It's not surprising that people might make that a major issue on which to cast their vote.

 

Fortunately, there's not much of a conflict here, as the right has demonstrated a complete apathy towards reasonable stewardship of the economy, just as they have towards stewardship of the environment. Most of the economic criticisms towards Obama amount to "he's not cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough." Even assuming that's true, I'm not sure why putting exactly the same people who were behind Bush back in charge is a logical move.

 

I've actually never had that much trouble with Romney as an individual. His track record isn't great, and he's totally an empty suit, but he governed from the center, generally behaved like an adult, and hey, he saw the value of universal health care. My fear has always been about the degree to which he's beholden to the horrible corporate assholes, and with his pick of Ryan he's made it 100% clear that he's going to go along with the same manipulative wedge politics and economic clear-cutting that Bush did. There won't be any substantial difference between a Romney presidency and Dubya's.
 

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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post

 

It's not a one time flub, Cap. He's been saying stupid things about business for his whole term. Remember the Las Vegas flap? It hasn't been hard for Romney to paint Obama as anti-business. 

 

The "you didn't build that" thing is just a perfect example of how desperate Romney is, and again, there only way the president could have prevented that is by not talking. Pretty soon we'll see his campaign editing words instead of sentences to make it seem like the president is saying something else.

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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post

I actually agree that the environment is a huge deal and the reason I'm consistently to the left. If the right became convincingly green, started pushing for alternative energy, carbon reduction, reforestation and all that shit, but kept all their other horrible policies, I might nevertheless actually vote for them. As horrible as stuff like warrantless wiretapping and religious extremism is, that can be fixed. We only get one planet.

 

But it's silly to suggest that the economy doesn't matter. It does. It affects people's lives. It's not surprising that people might make that a major issue on which to cast their vote.

 

 

The best way to get people to care about the environment is to put it in terms of economics. The potential to maximize the use of clean energy technology has a very direct impact on everyones wallet's in the long term, so if you don't care about the science or are suspicious of the environmentalist, you will care when energy is cheaper and we don't have to rely on nations that often act against our interests.

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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post

There won't be any substantial difference between a Romney presidency and Dubya's.

 


This is the thing that really blows my mind. Anyone who is an actual conscious, living being should react to this hypothetical with shrieking terror. The country seems to suffer from some sort of Stockholm Syndrome with the GOP - the George W. Bush administration was an incredible, horrifying disaster from one end to the other, and people have managed to forget that?

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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post

 

The best way to get people to care about the environment is to put it in terms of economics. The potential to maximize the use of clean energy technology has a very direct impact on everyones wallet's in the long term, so if you don't care about the science or are suspicious of the environmentalist, you will care when energy is cheaper and we don't have to rely on nations that often act against our interests.

 

This should be a sound argument, but the problem is also very rooted in economics - people are simply unwilling, or unable, to accept a higher short-term cost (in terms of more expensive energy - the fact is, oil and coal are incredibly cheap compared to their energy potential, and that isn't going to really change) in exchange for a drastically lower long-term cost (things like, say, a livable planet and an end to the petrowars).

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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post

The best way to get people to care about the environment is to put it in terms of economics. The potential to maximize the use of clean energy technology has a very direct impact on everyones wallet's in the long term, so if you don't care about the science or are suspicious of the environmentalist, you will care when energy is cheaper and we don't have to rely on nations that often act against our interests.


The science says that we have no time to act. The previous "worst case scenario" (1 degree c) is already coming, (now estimated that global temperatures will rise 1.5 C in the next 100 years even if we released no more carbon from today on) only it turns out it's far, far worse than anyone suspected. There is no time to reach a consensus on carbon taxes or other measures that amount to pissing in the wind. It's time for a Manhattan project for energy, and the President to address the nation and tell them about the asteroid heading for our planet and how little time we have left to stop it. The best carrot to get people to care isn't "the economy", it's fear - because people should very much be afraid. It's impossible to understate the scale of the coming climate disaster. When the people making money off the status quo can afford to muddy the water so they can continue lining their pockets, there is no time to try and win the debate politely and on their terms. People need to start hearing the word "catastrophe" over and over before they'll catch on just what this future is going to look like: starvation, constant war, the break down of civilization while the rich seal themselves off in climate controlled environments with their own food supplies.

If not for the President speaking out, then what? Are we to have another 15 years of withering crops, another 15 years of time lost, before the red states begin to wonder if there might be something to this whole "climate change" idea?
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I mostly agree with you, but you are screaming catastrophe to people who believe the scientists saying these things are doing so for political reasons. It doesn't seem to be working at all, and Zhukov is right, the economic argument is harmed by the short term thinking that plagues our planet.

 

That's why high gas prices are a good thing, but are politically dynamite for a re-election campaign.

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I mostly agree with you, but you are screaming catastrophe to people who believe the scientists saying these things are doing so for political reasons. It doesn't seem to be working at all, and Zhukov is right, the economic argument is harmed by the short term thinking that plagues our planet.

That's why high gas prices are a good thing, but are politically dynamite for a re-election campaign.

I just think that fear is the most primal motivator there is. Fear for your life. Fear that you'll starve. Fear that your kids will starve. It's built into our DNA. Fear is how you get 70% of the country supporting a war in Iraq. Fear is how you get a bunch of fly over state farmers to understand that they're fucked unless we get off oil right this minute, no matter the costs.

If you boil a frog slowly it won't hop out of the pan. People will adapt to higher prices and worsening conditions till it's too late. You need to dramatically pull back the curtain and tell them from the oval office what the future will look like if we don't act now. It is the only way to take the action necessary to effect meaningful change while we still have a chance.

That is my position, anyway. Thanks for listening.
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For those who haven't read it yet, this is what Dr Harford is talking about:

 

Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

 

And it truly is rather terrifying.

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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post


This is the thing that really blows my mind. Anyone who is an actual conscious, living being should react to this hypothetical with shrieking terror. The country seems to suffer from some sort of Stockholm Syndrome with the GOP - the George W. Bush administration was an incredible, horrifying disaster from one end to the other, and people have managed to forget that?

 

Denial is an incredibly strong psychological defense mechanism.

If you can convince yourself that something "bad" hasn't occurred, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you can continue to live your life like everything is "normal". Of course, hiding from the "truth" could very well cause all sorts of compounded psychological issues down the line.

 

IMO, if the hardcore electorate that supported GW Bush 199% were ever to admit to themselves that he and his administration were actually the colossal fuckups that they truly were, their worldview would collapse. 
"If we were wrong about Dubya, that means that we could be wrong about other things...you mean Palin isn't smart and the bible isn't 100% true...ahhh crap...."<Scanners explosion>

 

Denial leads to willful ignorance and then all bets are off....

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From the New Republic:

 

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Having said all that, there is a rationale for picking Ryan. It just has little to do with strengthening Romney’s chances this fall. In recent weeks, the presidential race has fundamentally changed. Where the polling once showed Obama with a consistent but easily-surmountable lead, it now shows the race moving out of reach for Romney. As the sober minds at NBC’s political unit put it yesterday:

 

[W]hen the Olympics began, we wrote that we were basically at halftime of the general election -- and Obama had a narrow lead. Well, it’s a little bigger than that now. (People may want to quibble, but you can’t dismiss every poll on sampling.) There’s clearly movement toward the president and clearly problems for Romney personally.

Predictably, this development has unnerved conservatives, who correctly view Team Romney as whiffing on a once-in-a-generation chance against an incumbent president (albeit for the wrong reasons). The most recent outburst resulted in a fatwa against Romney’s perfectly anodyne press secretary, who had the temerity to channel Romney’s pride over his Massachusetts health care law, which is undeniable

 

So, to review, the key recent development is that Romney is poised to lose a race he should by all rights be winning, and conservatives are poised to blame this loss on his ideological moderation. (He not only gave people health care, he wants credit for it!). Against this backdrop, the rationale for the Ryan pick strikes me as pretty clear: Ryan is the way Romney and his aides escape blame for their now-likely defeat—blame which would have vicious and unrelenting—and pin it in on conservatives instead. With only minor historical revisions, they will be able to tell a story about how Romney was keeping the race close through early August, at which point the party’s conservative darling joined the ticket and sent the poll numbers into steady decline. 

 

According to this narrative, the campaign will merely be guilty of a political misdemeanor—being bullied by conservatives into a lousy running mate—not the felony of strategically miscalculating against a historically weak incumbent (which is where the existing storyline was headed). That’s a plea bargain any right-minded politico would take, even if they didn’t consciously consider it in those terms. Moreover, there’s a whiff of Pascal’s Wager to the whole gambit: God (in this case, political salvation through ideological extremism) may not exist. But you don’t lose anything by pretending he does. And, who knows, he may surprise you!

 

Better still, this won’t just be good for Romney’s historical reputation, and for the future career prospects of his campaign team. It will be good for the entire GOP. Pre-Ryan, a Romney loss would have led to the nomination of a Neanderthal in 2016—someone, like Rick Santorum, who could say he warned the party against a candidate too moderate to take on Obama. Post-Ryan, a Romney loss will be read as a Goldwater-esque act of ideological self-immolation, which the party must resist at all costs if it hopes to win another election. Paradoxically, the Ryan pick is both selfish and selfless at the same time. 

 

What it isn’t, as all the commentators keep insisting, is “bold.” It’s a highly risk-averse move—one that assumes a loss and tries to make the best of it. In that respect, Romney is staying true to himself till the bitter end.


Edited by BlackyShimSham - 8/12/12 at 3:04pm
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I'm not sure I buy the argument that they picked Ryan as a scapegoat. I mean, desperate campaigns do desperate moves, but at this level ... plan for failure already? Doubtful.

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It would be a start if climate scientists and the press would begin translating global warming predictions into degrees Farenheit when talking to Americans. If you tell my relatives in Louisville that we're going to see a 5 degree Celsius temperature increase by the end of the century, you'll be laughed out of the room. If you tell them we're going to see a 12 degree Farenheit temperature increase, after half the country spent the summer on fire, than ask them how in the hell their grandkids are going to grow food...

In other news: Yes, Romney asked for "several" years of Paul Ryan's tax returns during the vetting process.
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I'm not sure I buy the argument that they picked Ryan as a scapegoat. I mean, desperate campaigns do desperate moves, but at this level ... plan for failure already? Doubtful.


I think it's worse than that.   The Republican Party really thinks that the rest of America will think Ryan is as awesome as they think he is.  

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  I don't think Ryan is a scapegoat either. I assumed he was picked to appease the base. It made Palin happy, so I guess its working. I don't know why a quitters opinion would matter, but to some people it does.

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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post

 

 But he keeps making misteps such as the recent flap over "You didn't make this" and the dragged out Fast and Furious mess. 

 

The you didn't make this thing is 100% pure spin. As soon as every factory in America is responsible for building all the roads that lead to it and educating their entire workforce, they can claim to have done it themselves.

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The you didn't make this thing is 100% pure spin. As soon as every factory in America is responsible for building all the roads that lead to it and educating their entire workforce, they can claim to have done it themselves.


The "You didn't build that" speech was taken out of context but it was a dumb line.   Even adding "on your own" at the end of that would have helped.   I think Obama has run a very good summer campaign but that line was a big misstep.   Thankfully, Romney keeps doing really dumb shit.   See Mitt's VP selection and immediately running away from his running mate's whole reason for being picked.

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Obama talks about climate change as a reality.  Romney won't admit that in public.  If climate change is your worry (as it is mine and everyone else who is sane's) then Romney/Ryan is some kind of suicide pact. 

 

I used to think Romney was a sacrifice but I don't anymore.  The tact the big money is taking isn't to say that Romney's good, it's to say that Obama is the antichrist.  Virtually everyone I know who is right of center believes this and no amount of logical arguments will sway them.  They will overlook everything to get rid of Obama.  All this sturm and drang because Obama wants to raise the millionaires' taxes a few percentage points.  That's politics in America these days. 

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Maybe being based in the UK means I'm slow off the mark but it's crazy how many outright lies some Republicans tell. Or at best they twist the truth a hell of a lot. Palin says Obama's policies led to the "US being downgraded for the first time in our nation's history". BULLSHIT. It was that walking carrot Boehner and his cronies who caused it. They used the debt ceiling deadline as blackmail to get they wanted. Fucking outrageous.

The Dems might do this too, I don't know. The right seems to do it mxore often.
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And can anybody recommend a good podcast / talk show which covers the race? I used to listen to Fareed Zakaria's GPS show on CNN but that's been canned for obvious reasons.
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Forget it, Andrew. It's Fox News.

 

 

1000

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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post

 

It's not a one time flub, Cap. He's been saying stupid things about business for his whole term. Remember the Las Vegas flap? It hasn't been hard for Romney to paint Obama as anti-business. 

 

"Hmm, well on the one hand the Republicans hate gays, the poor, minorities and are vociferously racist in many parts of the country. But on the other hand the President HAS made a stupid comment or two....wow, this is HARD!"

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Originally Posted by Bluelouboyle View Post

Maybe being based in the UK means I'm slow off the mark but it's crazy how many outright lies some Republicans tell. Or at best they twist the truth a hell of a lot. Palin says Obama's policies led to the "US being downgraded for the first time in our nation's history". BULLSHIT. It was that walking carrot Boehner and his cronies who caused it. They used the debt ceiling deadline as blackmail to get they wanted. Fucking outrageous.
The Dems might do this too, I don't know. The right seems to do it mxore often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

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