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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post


Here's a 2008 vid of Charen on C-Span/Washington Journal sucking Sarah's dick.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LC8ZpA-Svw

 

Bonus, she's on the show with Jane Hamsher

 

edit to add: I've been listening to the other multiple parts of this discussion....it's pretty hilarious to hear Charen's opinions/speculations as they are almost all incorrect.


Damn you VTRan, I was all ready for some hot P0rn and you show me...this?!?

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GOP Lawmakers to Mitt...

 

The Mystery Box Campaign Ain't Working...

 

It's really a no brainer.   At some point, you have to tell the American People what you want to do as president.   The fact that Romney is sticking to the "Warm Body that isn't Obama" strategy at this point is strange.   This really is Kerry 2.0

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Mittens watched JJ Abrams' TED talk one too many times.

 

Fuckin' mystery box...

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At least he is honest.

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Santorum would have been a much stronger GOP candidate than Romney.    Let's forget for a moment about his extreme positions on social issues for a minute and consider how he effortlessly talks like someone from the Working Class.   He would still get his ass kicked in November but it would be a much harder fight.   Thoughts?

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Santorum would have been a much stronger GOP candidate than Romney.    Let's forget for a moment about his extreme positions on social issues for a minute and consider how he effortlessly talks like someone from the Working Class.   He would still get his ass kicked in November but it would be a much harder fight.   Thoughts?

Totally disagree with this. Way too out there to be president and his positions on everything is too scary and comes off way too creepy like a self loathing closeted homosexual or a pedophile or something really scarily disturbed not someone you'd want in the discussion for president.

Though one thing I agree with is they shouldn't have nominated Romney he comes off way too phony and political opputunistic for personal, possibly financial reasoning like a lot have said Gordon Gekko-esque.

My best replacement would be Newt Gingrich. Now I despise him completely and would spit vile hatred if he ever got near the White House, but he came off as more competent than Mitt does and not nearly as fake and ironically is more likable than Mitt, other than that possibly Ron Paul though his positions are insane and he 's rather old. But since these were the only "rational" choices it should become obvious that they never were going to win in 2012 after Bush and Christie declined to run and Rick Perry absolutely subterfuged himself.
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Damn you VTRan, I was all ready for some hot P0rn and you show me...this?!?


I think I'm a little disturbed with the idea that you were anticipating some transsexual Sarah Palin porn....  eek.gif

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Originally Posted by JuddL View Post

Amazing piece of writing: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/10/michael-lewis-profile-barack-obama

 

Really moving article....I haven't read Lewis since his Liar's Poker days and an essay on the Euro crisis last year. He's really developed as a writer.

 

These two paragraphs really leapt out at me. This is a description of a meeting of Obama's advisors re: what to do (if anything) about Libya. All the Military and Political advisors have told Obama it is a bad idea to intervene....

 

Public opinion at the fringes of the room, as it turned out, was different. Several people sitting there had been deeply affected by the genocide in Rwanda. (“The ghosts of 800,000 Tutsis were in that room,” as one puts it.) Several of these people had been with Obama since before he was president—people who, had it not been for him, would have been unlikely ever to have found themselves in such a meeting. They aren’t political people so much as Obama people. One was Samantha Power, who won a Pulitzer Prize for her book A Problem from Hell, about the moral and political costs the U.S. has paid for largely ignoring modern genocides. Another was Ben Rhodes, who had been a struggling novelist when he went to work as a speechwriter back in 2007 on the first Obama campaign. Whatever Obama decided, Rhodes would have to write the speech explaining the decision, and he said in the meeting that he preferred to explain why the United States had prevented a massacre over why it hadn’t. An N.S.C. staffer named Denis McDonough came out for intervention, as did Antony Blinken, who had been on Bill Clinton’s National Security Council during the Rwandan genocide, but now, awkwardly, worked for Joe Biden. “I have to disagree with my boss on this one,” said Blinken. As a group, the junior staff made the case for saving the Ben­gha­zis. But how?

 

The president may not have been surprised that the Pentagon hadn’t sought to answer that question. He was nevertheless visibly annoyed. “I don’t know why we are even having this meeting,” he said, or words to that effect. “You’re telling me a no-fly zone doesn’t solve the problem, but the only option you’re giving me is a no-fly zone.” He gave his generals two hours to come up with another solution for him to consider, then left to attend the next event on his schedule, a ceremonial White House dinner.

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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Santorum would have been a much stronger GOP candidate than Romney. Let's forget for a moment about his extreme positions on social issues for a minute and consider how he effortlessly talks like someone from the Working Class. He would still get his ass kicked in November but it would be a much harder fight. Thoughts?

He's a more sincere "social issues" candidate, which would have made the election more of a referendum on the worst excesses of the Religious Right (Santorum gave that speech at a conference organized by SPLC-certified hate group The Family Research Council.) I look forward to having that election eventually, and we'll have a better Republican Party after they've had to analyze why America isn't a nation that will elect an undisguised bigot like Rick Santorum. Maybe in 2016!
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Originally Posted by Arturo RJ View Post

My best replacement would be Newt Gingrich. Now I despise him completely and would spit vile hatred if he ever got near the White House, but he came off as more competent than Mitt does and not nearly as fake and ironically is more likable than Mitt, other than that possibly Ron Paul though his positions are insane and he 's rather old. But since these were the only "rational" choices it should become obvious that they never were going to win in 2012 after Bush and Christie declined to run and Rick Perry absolutely subterfuged himself.

 

 

Yeah Gingrich would have been better but then he opened his mouth about putting black kids to work as janitors and did some race baiting so that was a nonstarter.   Unlike alot of the candidates, I did like his idea of a moon base.   It would spur scientific innovation and inspire people.   It's impractical with the debt being where it is but I like he has big visions like that.   He also correctly called the Ryan Budget "Right Wing social engineering" which he walked back immediately but for those 5 minutes I was impressed!

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One thing you can say about Santorum is that you know where he stands on things and he's unwavering in his convictions.  This is why he's the opposite of what the money and muscle behind the contemporary GOP want.  The GOP has become a completely fictional party.  The people running the show have an agenda they can't sell.  What they can do is control a bunch of people by hitting various triggers that get them every time: vanity, distrust, hate, selfishness, fantasy.  If you compare it to a movie, they've made a perfect trailer designed specifically to push the buttons of rank and file Republicans, but the movie's a completely different thing--something they wouldn't understand or like.  Hence the fiction.  Romney is an actor.  He just wants to be president, which is why he's their perfect candidate.  And he would understand the movie perfectly because its theme is close to what passes for his heart:  looting. 

 

To be a real party again, the GOP is going to have to soul search and confront the fact that it's run by money-changers not true believers.  Something that fake can't last very long.  It has to be real again to mean anything.  Which isn't to say Romney couldn't win--he could--but with the activation of the Tea Party and Fox news raising rank and file Republicans' awareness of politics in general (albeit in a fictional way), maybe these people will pay attention during the next four years and finally see the movie they were sold and maybe realize that they were duped.  Maybe then it could be a real party again, who knows.

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Totally disagree with this. Way too out there to be president and his positions on everything is too scary and comes off way too creepy like a self loathing closeted homosexual or a pedophile or something really scarily disturbed not someone you'd want in the discussion for president.

 

It wasn't just his politics that made him come off like a self-loathing closeted homosexual, the Pee-Wee Herman hair and the fucking sweater vests - it's so over the top, like he's a character in a John Waters movie or something.

 

I've got to say, I feel really relaxed now that the Romney campaign has imploded - it's kind of like when one of those big, stupid movies you want to tank is going to open, and the first wave of fan backlash and shitty reviews start to trickle in a month and a half before opening day.  I imagine Romney Fans feel the same way I felt six or seven weeks before "TRON Legacy" came out and I slowly began to realize that, oh dear God no, this is going to suck and those decades of waiting were for nothing.

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Originally Posted by yt View Post

 

And he would understand the movie perfectly because its theme is close to what passes for his heart:  looting. 

 

I love how the "message" of the RNC was "opportunity", which is code for exactly what you're talking about - looting.  How sad is it that close to half of Americans really believe that Federal taxes and business regulations are what's really keeping them from social mobility, that if big government just got out of the way, they could truly find their fortune - that "opportunity" is just around the corner?  These are almost exclusively people who, like me, don't even come close to making $50,000 a year and have none of the time, talent, capitol, or connections to ever get out of the social class they were born to.  It's the same fantasy mind-set of those obnoxious teenagers in 80s movies that have a "plan" to get "popular" that revolve around cavemen or cyborgs or pretending to be from France or some shit instead of just doing their homework and maybe playing a couple sports and just chilling the fuck out like a normal kid.  Fucking ponderous man.

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Romney 2012 is this year's other Battleship!

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I have successfully converted my girlfriend to liberalism.

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Originally Posted by MikeI View Post

I have successfully converted my girlfriend to liberalism.

 

I swear I read that as "lesbianism".

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I swear I read that as "lesbianism".

 

 

Either way - HAWT. 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppeoDZviTHY

 

Not to be cynical , and not to be snarky... but I've been reading C.H.U.D. political commentary for quite some time and I am curious...  I see perhaps five or six frequent commentators and for the sake of posterity I was wondering if I might get a demographic of ages, locations, careers, social status, relative education, and early childhood nurturing.  I find this to be a very interesting dynamic, and would be quite interested in any insight that might be provided.  Thank you sincerely for your time, effort, and knowledge.
 


Edited by BStorm - 9/16/12 at 1:40am
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I'm 112 years old, and I was raised by wolves on the North Pole.  I quit school at 3rd grade but took University of Phoenix on-line courses and have my high school equivalency certificate and Phds In Psychology and Para-Psychology.  I actually went to a Primus concert in downtown Oakland in the late 90s - it REALLY impresses high-school students when I tell them that. 

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I'm 37 and I work as a producer/board op at 970 ESPN in Pittsburgh. I have a degree in Journalism and Communications from what is now Point Park University, but was Point Park College when I went there. The pay in radio isn't that great, but I get free concert tickets and I've been to a few meet n greets. To people who don't work in radio they think that is all I do: its not. I enjoy the perks, but I would like health benefits as well. I know I need a real job, but much like James Bond, I don't know what one is.


Edited by Chaz - 9/16/12 at 7:47am
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I'm 27 I work at Wal-Mart in Albany, NY, which isn't very glamorous, it pays the bills, but it has been interesting talking to way more neo-conservative and Libertarian people than I'd be exposed anywhere. Have had some interesting discussions with them most honestly aren't too out there and are relatively rational, till they bring up the UN forcing people to urban hobbit homes.

As for schooling I went to college, but didn't finish though an looking to go back and was raised bya father thats a civil egineer and a mother that's writer, they both bent to the left and I'm more left to them almost to the point of being a socialist. I guess that's it.
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And I...I am Sancho.

 

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I have a degree in journalism from the University of North Texas, some huge government debt to go along with it. I got a kid, my parents were drug addicts while my great-grandmother was extremely wealthy, so I think I have some personal experience in seeing how the very poorest of us live as well as the very wealthiest. I also completed an internship at a metropolitan business newspaper, in a capacity that had me interviewing a number of very powerful CEOs and business leaders. The richer those guys were, the more boring their stories became. At the very top, everyone is waking up at 5 AM, jogging 10 miles, making money all day, and listening to awful music. A very bizarre cohort.

 

I studied Arabic and the history of the Middle East in university as well (which evidently disqualifies you for service in the US Navy, because once I delivered my transcript the recruitment process came to a dead stop). I find religion to be fascinating, although I would characterize myself as a militant agnostic.

I was down with Barack 4 President in 2004. I try very hard to understand and empathize with all perspectives in an argument. I admit to having more difficulty with this, from a political standpoint, recently. My biggest beefs right now are with people who think the President has just done a disastrous job (this is so out of step with reality that it leads to arguments being fought from a position of factionalism, leaving little room for people to actually discuss the things they think the administration has gotten right and the things that need to be addressed) and with the Catholic Church.

I am a technical writer during the day, I work with engineers.


Edited by Zhukov - 9/16/12 at 9:45am
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I'm 29 and currently intentionally unemployed, on account of undertaking a very long adventure that ended somewhat disastrously. Currently job hunting in my field, where I was a television producer in New York. I grew up in Massachusetts and went to a state school there to study Communications with a slant in TV/Film, and English Literature. I joke that I am the most employable person ever on account of my field of study. I do not regret my time at school nor do I regret what I learned, but I do wish it'd pay the bills more. My parents were WASPy Massachusetts folk, so we always slanted left. My dad is a software engineer and my mom, after raising us at home, is now an English teacher (she studied history at college). Things were pretty white in my town to the point that college and later, NYC were a bit of a culture shock that I like to think I've gotten over and also believe it helps make me a more well rounded person, not just seeing things through the lens of 'suburbanite brat'.

 

We were practicing Protestants in the Congregationalist sect, which we joked about following '6 of the 10 commandments' (though I was never sure which ones exactly). Though we all eventually lapsed, not because of anything the Protestants did, they're rather mellow, but because religion just started to get really politicized and scary and stopped making sense for us, especially me.

 

Mostly, I guess all of that has led me to believe that if you believe other people are inferior to you because of who they believe lives in the sky, who they want to marry or hate them because they're just plain different then there comes a time when we, as a people, need to tell these bigots to get the fuck off the table and learn to be a god damn human being. You can call my friend an asshole for being an asshole, but the minute you call him an asshole because he's black or gay, you can step right the fuck off. You're holding us all back and I can't stand it anymore.

 

Sorry, that got ranty really quick.

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I'm a thirty-seven year old, single white male from southern New England. I'm a gay man raised in a Protestant Fundamentalist family, by two parents who have since divorced.

I served in the United States Army from January 1997 to May 2005 and was honorably discharged after the completion of a tour in Afghanistan. My first civilian employer in years went under after the recession took hold, and I am currently employed as a full time college student under the Montgomery G.I. Bill with the intent to make a career out of my fascination with cognitive psychology.
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Geez, since everybody is feeding the troll, and since this is my big opportunity to write about myself, I'll bite.  I'm pushing 40, I have a BA in Art from UCLA and I have a 2 year post-graduate professional licensing certificate that isn't a Masters but was a lot of work.  I work full time in a barely white-collar, public-sector job that I love, and I've worked in Hollywood and the Bay Area as a a production artist for various television and software projects.  As mentioned earlier, I've never made over $50,000 a year, but my parents and many close relatives often clear six figures in a tax year, and I regularly associate with Americans who are millionaires, dirt poor, or somewhere in the middle.  I'm married to someone gainfully employed and we have a mixed faith marriage.  I've lived and worked in South America, East Asia, and Eastern Europe.

 

I'm not wild about Obama's suspension of due process or his bumbled shut-down on megaupload.  I am impressed with his record on foreign policy, social issues, and the environment, and I'm generally inspired by his leadership, which has informed my job helping the community.  A life-long Democrat, I voted for Schwarzenegger twice, though in the last few years my awareness of marriage equality and civil rights issues has evolved and I will not support any candidate or business that lobbies against gay marriage and inclusion of gays in the military or Boy Scouts.

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Huh, didn't know so many of us had journalism degrees. I'm 33, and have one as well (master's from Goldsmiths College in London), but have been unable to turn it into anything steady after two years home (nothing but freelance work at best). Since I blame the Democrats for everything, I'm voting Republican this year because Mitt's gonna get me a job!

 

(I kid. Registered Democrat, and pretty unlikely to change my stance on that.)

 

Seriously, though, it's really hard to talk politics anywhere else but here. It's been an interesting read, free of the extremist whackjobs plaguing other sites. (I'm a member of a Sabres-based MB, and their politics section truly is a hive of scum and villainy.)

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Obviously, this thread needs more job creators.

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My name is Lauren Ortega and I am 25 years old.

 

The feeling of skin parting away from a still living body under a scalpel blade is the most erotic sensation in the world.

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My name is Lauren Ortega and I am 25 years old.

The feeling of skin parting away from a still living body under a scalpel blade is the most erotic sensation in the world.

Nobody puts the 'graphic' in demographic like Lauren.
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Will be 31 in a week.  Just had my first son in July.  Used to work for JPMorgan and about 2 years ago helped start a boutique investment bank, where I basically raise money for start-up companies (mainly in the technology space) and support entrepreneurs in other ways.  If I could do it all again I'd probably be a nurse...been considering going back to school to pursue that but will probably never happen.  Gotta focus on The Closer / yt presidential run.  Maybe 2020?

 

And yeah, I've scoured the world wide webs for places to have intelligent political discourse.  Oddly enough this movie forum is the creme de la creme...being a movie buff I wanted a place to discuss film, but quickly realized the folks that post in the movie forums are way above my level - they talk about themes and symbolism and shit.  My love of film extends to only a 6th grade level (I was entertained and the photography was nice).  Found my way into this forum randomly.  Many have not agreed with some of my views in the past, but that's what intelligent discourse is all about.

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I don't find it odd at all. The forums here are a good place to learn to think critically about cinema, and that sort of carries over.
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Over 40 Canuck born to refugee parents with a background in hard sciences and currently working in private healthcare.

In my spare time I hunt down dissatisfied patients in a wife beater and too-tight shorts while yelling old Maoist battle cries in 3 different pidgin Chinese dialects, i.e., I used to play recreational hockey until I hurt my back.
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I'm XXXX years old. I enjoy long walks down the street, and reading books about big men with swords.

 

I totally aced one semester of Community College, and currently pull down 12k a year.

 

I registered as Independent, because I'm not much of a joiner. I typically go Dem in the national elections, though sometimes the Dem candidates in the local RI elections are really really sad. I voted Chafee (Independent former Repub) for RI Governor. That was the year Frank Caprio ran for the Dems, and during an interview several days before the election, remarked that Obama could "take his endorsement and really shove it.". Sour grapes, since Obama owed Chafee a favor from back in the Senate days.
 

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I'm 38, male, and produce wedding and corporate films.   I briefly majored in Political Science until I realized that there wasn't really any jobs with that kind of degree but the passion for amateur punditing never went away.

 

Having listened to talk radio the past week, it seems like the last great hope for Romney is the debates.    What are the chances he wins those debates?   With the current Romney, it seems really low to nonexistent but what am I really looking forward to?   The campaign clarifying or walking back whatever Romney says during the debate that courts the undecided and moderate voter.   That will be fun...

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Man, I can't wait for the debates. We're all political junkies at our place, and during the republican debates we set up a projector system on our patio, got some popcorn ready, smoked a J, and had the time of our lives. 

 

This debate though? Will be fucking epic. Mostly because I'm sick of seeing these guys constantly getting cheers for "Gays bad! Immigrants bad! Obama bad!" Get them in a room that ISN'T completely filled with people who wore their best flip flops to the event, and watch them panic as their usual lines aren't celebrated. 

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I read the Vanity Fair article someone here kindly linked to, and man, am I ever so ready for the Obama described in that piece to rhetorically eviscerate Mitt Romney in front of an audience of tens of millions on live nation wide TV. The debates are going to be the event of the year.
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That was a hell of a piece by Michael Lewis. Made it a bit easier to see why the W Administration went so badly off the rails. Its a very serious job for very serious people, and George was just in no way up for the task. It is becoming brutally clear that neither is Mr. Romney.

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My one concern is the final debate using the "town hall format", where the candidates will take questions for the public. You'll have the risk that a questioner will go off script and try to make Obama look bad, to set him up for some sort of 'gaffe'.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/opinion/sunday/dowd-neocons-slither-back.html?_r=0

Good story about the stimulus. It is sad that Democrats didn't do much to showed how it worked.

 

  I found reading every body's short bio interesting. With all the journalism degrees, it makes sense there are so many Community fans here. Abed would have fit in perfectly at my college radio station. I left out in mine that I consider myself agnostic. I think its possible that there is something beyond this world; I believe in ghosts and heard one three times. I was raised Catholic, but now I see the Bible as myth. Genesis clearly didn't happen Then there are the contradictions and the fact the Horus, The Egyptian god of the dead did a lot of what Jesus did 1200 years earlier. The GOP want to wrap themselves in the Bible, but since Jesus once said that it is easier for a camel to pass though the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom, I seriously doubt Jesus would believe in trickle down economics.

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My one concern is the final debate using the "town hall format", where the candidates will take questions for the public. You'll have the risk that a questioner will go off script and try to make Obama look bad, to set him up for some sort of 'gaffe'.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of question would that hypothetical person ask? The only thing I can really think of is a generic "You promised hope and change, and didn't deliver. Why should we believe you now?" And Obama runs out of time trying to answer that vague question in an articulate, well constructed manner. 

 

Personally, I want to see an encounter like that one Mitt had with the gay veteran, or the guy in the wheelchair asking why he shouldn't be allowed to take medical marijuana. In both those encounters Romney just walks away after robotically stating a one sentence "It's bad." I want to see him have to articulate exactly WHY two consenting adults shouldn't be married, and WHY individuals who are suffering shouldn't be allowed to take marijuana. I have a feeling he'll just go "Bad...it's bad. Bad....that's just what I believe. It's bad." What will he do without the  option of just walking away? 

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"The gap among registered voters is even larger, according to the survey, which concluded Warren leads 53 to 41 percent."

 

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

My one concern is the final debate using the "town hall format", where the candidates will take questions for the public. You'll have the risk that a questioner will go off script and try to make Obama look bad, to set him up for some sort of 'gaffe'.

 

If Obama can't handle some citizen stooge, he's not the guy we're thinking he is.

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Maybe we'll get the epic return of "He's...he's an arab." lady. Except this time it'll be "You...you're an arab." Wait, actually it'll probably be more like "SKREEEEEEEEE!!!!"

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

I read the Vanity Fair article someone here kindly linked to, and man, am I ever so ready for the Obama described in that piece to rhetorically eviscerate Mitt Romney in front of an audience of tens of millions on live nation wide TV. The debates are going to be the event of the year.

 

The 2012 Presidential Debates (and the Race in general) are uniquely analogous to the Johnson/Jeffries World Heavyweight title fight from 1910. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about this.
 

Embittered white masses search for a "Great White Hope" to unseat the "uppity", cool-headed, good-tempered Negro from his lofty perch.

 

Let's hope that the results of the debates are similar, as well.

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This is my concern about the debates. I clearly remember that Kerry trashed Bush in their first debate, yet Bush went on to win. There is no doubt in my mind that Obama will do the same to Romney, but will it make a difference. Just a thought.

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This is my concern about the debates. I clearly remember that Kerry trashed Bush in their first debate, yet Bush went on to win. There is no doubt in my mind that Obama will do the same to Romney, but will it make a difference. Just a thought.

 

I question how much Bush won because of the debates.  I think he won based on Republican dirty tricks and fearmongering.  But even if he came off as easier to relate to, if anything, Romney is the one with Kerry's problem.  He's the blue blood stuffed suit from Massachusetts.

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I question how much Bush won because of the debates.  I think he won based on Republican dirty tricks and fearmongering.  But even if he came off as easier to relate to, if anything, Romney is the one with Kerry's problem.  He's the blue blood stuffed suit from Massachusetts.

 

He's the blue blood stuffed suit from Massachusetts taking on an incumbent, too. People say, "Yeah, well, Carter," but Romney's sure no Reagan as far as folksy charisma.

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

My one concern is the final debate using the "town hall format", where the candidates will take questions for the public. You'll have the risk that a questioner will go off script and try to make Obama look bad, to set him up for some sort of 'gaffe'.


I'm not too worried about how Obama will do in a town hall format.   He's not quite as good as Bill Clinton was but he has a knack for talking to ordinary folks all the same.   And unlike Romney, I think Obama enjoys confrontation.   Check out this video when he did Question Time with the Republicans during the Health Care debate 2 years ago.   This was at a Republican Retreat and he decimated them without breaking a sweat.   Hell, he even said, "I'm having fun"...

 

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/01/29/obamas_question_time.html   

 

It's worth watching at least a few minutes of it.  Too bad they never did this again but I can see why.

 

As Syd alluded to, I think if anyone should be nervous about a Town Hall Format, it would be Mitt.   He never takes questions from the audience and is scripted to the 9th degree.

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