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I started this thread because I think it's an important enough topic to warrant a centralized location for discussion. Stories about extinction and such seem to come in drips and drabs, and maybe by giving the subject it's own thread it will be harder for people to ignore the coming calamity


The story that inspired me to post?

The critical status of the Blue Fin Tuna

Now, I love sushi just as much as the next person, but I've never had blue fin sushi and yet still manage to enjoy raw fish with rice and seaweed all the same. I can think of no reason that Japan needs to consume 80% of the black market tuna in the world. Blue Fin doesn't even swim in oceans the Japanese would have historically had access to as they developed sushi in the first place. So it's not part of their culture, it's just a blood thirsty form of gluttony that threatens to drive an entire species of large fish to extinction
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Man, fuck dolphins, ya know? Tasty bastards.
post #3 of 25
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Man, fuck dolphins, ya know? Tasty bastards.
Dolphins are not fish, and are therefore not part of the concern when the article talks about 90% of the oceans large fish having been killed

Also, (most species of) dolphin are not endangered. In fact, some are over populated

With that said, I am a long time supporter of protecting dolphins from extinction
post #4 of 25
That toad looks delicious.
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Chris Packham, a wildlife presenter and activist in the UK got into trouble recently for saying we should give up on the Giant Panda as it's resisting all attempts to save it. He thinks the money should be spent on other endangered creatures.

He sort of has a point; there is an argument to be made for Evolution naturally killing off some species.
post #6 of 25
how is man-made habitat destruction "evolution"?
post #7 of 25
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how is man-made habitat destruction "evolution"?
It isn't but there's a fair "constant" decline/recovery in abundance of species. This is commonly mistaken as "natural" cause for extinction. Nowadays you can split both sources of decimation since ecosystems had been altered a lot. Also for some places there no base-line to estimate "since we fucked up this region, how many species have we lost?".
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One large fish can fetch more than $100,000 in Japan.
How exactly does one get into the bluefin tuna fishing game? I mean, hypothetically.
post #9 of 25
The Gourmet Club maitre d' just subscribed to this thread...
post #10 of 25
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Chris Packham, a wildlife presenter and activist in the UK got into trouble recently for saying we should give up on the Giant Panda as it's resisting all attempts to save it. He thinks the money should be spent on other endangered creatures.

He sort of has a point; there is an argument to be made for Evolution naturally killing off some species.
While the Panda is a very frustrating animal for anti extinction activists (myself included), I'd have to support continued efforts to ensure it's survival. I mean, honestly, it's the least China can do at this point what with the perpetual campaign of mass poison and death they've been waging on the biosphere for the past 60 years. The Yangtze Dolphin has already fallen victim to the caustic effluence that stains the earth in that misbegotten nation, and it would be morally wrong for China not to do everything in it's power to save the Panda from a similar fate

Large Mammals are some of the most complex living organisms, and they take millions of years to evolve. The panda is not a species that was on it's way out already. It's perfectly adapted to it's environment (bamboo forests). The only reason it's struggling is because human activity has stolen away it's home.

The Panda is such an iconic animal that the Chinese are trying desperately to prop it up given what an indelible stain it's extinction would be on their image. It's something of a national symbol for them, and their rush to modernize might look a bit less glorious to peasants should their mascot bite the dust

So I absolutely support efforts to save it. It's not like the Chinese would be spending that money to protect other native species threatened by their disastrous expansion. The only reason they bother with the panda is because of the shame it would bring to them on the global stage should it disappear. They are obligated to keep trying, IMHO. I can't help but feel that the world would be much poorer if it were to no longer have giant marsupials lazily prowling for sprouts in distant fog shrouded mountains

Even if the eventual fate of the Panda is that of the Tasmanian tiger (the last specimen dying in a chilly damp zoo), the Chinese risk an irreparable loss of face and honor should they not give it their all right up until the day the last panda cells stop dividing

As for Western interest in the panda... yes, there is too much. There are other species that are far more endangered that need attention (the snow leopard, Lonely George, ETC) and are not getting it because of the fact Pandas are cute looking. China should look to the panda, the west should try and focus on the oceans (IMHO) since the east apparently can't be bothered
post #11 of 25
Kate, you're pretty much spot on. Although saving the Panda is a worthy and noble goal, it's hard to praise China's efforts in that area when this is still a common practice.
post #12 of 25
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Kate, you're pretty much spot on. Although saving the Panda is a worthy and noble goal, it's hard to praise China's efforts in that area when this is still a common practice.
AAAAH! No! I reject this information!
post #13 of 25
It can get a bit overwhelming, right?
post #14 of 25
Here is Mr Packham himself explaing why.

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news...nda342.html#cr
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by Ryan C.B. View Post
Kate, you're pretty much spot on. Although saving the Panda is a worthy and noble goal, it's hard to praise China's efforts in that area when this is still a common practice.
Thanks, and god, that link is heart breaking. A nation that believes 'bears=medicine' now expects to be treated as a global super power

Truly frightening

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Here is Mr Packham himself explaing why.

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news...nda342.html#cr
I definitely respect his over all point, but the question when it comes to China is not "should China try to save other species instead?" but "should China give up on the Panda and just spend the money building more coal powered electric plants instead?"

Western interest in the panda is another issue, and yes, there is too much
post #16 of 25
It's actually incredible how many rare animals are slaughtered due to "Traditional Chinese Medicine". Tigers, Elephant Ivory, Bears, etc. Fuck.
post #17 of 25
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It's actually incredible how many rare animals are slaughtered due to "Traditional Chinese Medicine". Tigers, Elephant Ivory, Bears, etc. Fuck.
I think some nation should adopt a 'Chinese people are our traditional medicine!' policy just to see how China reacts

And yes, their blood lust for endangered animals is mind boggling. Here is a post I did on that very issue (it features a link to a very depressing article) from the CHINA TOOK FALLOUT 3 WAY TOO SERIOUSLY thread, which I'd been using as an all purpose 'China: WTF?' news story repository till I started this Endangered Species thread
post #18 of 25
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Come on, Vietnam... tiger paste?



There are only a little over 3000 tigers left in the wild, and now we're pasting the ones that remain. I don't mean to get on a high horse of cultural superiority, but it's tragic that so many species are threatened because 'animal consumption power transference magic' is a concept still taken seriously in the east
post #19 of 25
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Hi, I am still on sabbatical*, but as people pointed out, I figured that I owe it to the CHUD-munity(c) to continue on with my duties here at the ENDANGERED SPECIES WATCH THREAD and the CQCC at least. I volunteered to keep people updated on these topics, and I can't just walk away from that. The news doesn't stop just because I am taking a break from the board. There have been some stories that have really bothered me, and I figured you guys should be made aware:

First this story popped up yesterday, where 2000 dead birds fell from the sky for reasons unknown (I don't buy the idea it was fireworks.. if there had been a firework display in the area the birds were found, it would have been specifically mentioned)

Now we're finding out it's not an isolated incident

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Around 500 dead birds have fallen from the sky in Louisiana, found scattered along a quarter-mile portion of highway in Point Coupee Parish, the AP reports. The discovery is approximately 300 miles south of Beebe, Arkansas, where just days earlier thousands of the same species of birds also fell from the sky.
Right.. fireworks again?

Combined with HUFFPO's above the fold story about bumble bees from Sunday, I have a bad feeling about the future:

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North American bees are disappearing at a rapid rate, signaling a dire threat to the production of countless food sources. The Guardian reports that four common species of U.S. bumble bees have declined 96 percent in recent decades, and scientists allege that disease and inbreeding are responsible.
Wait.. what? 96% of American bumble bees are gone? There is no way to spin that info so that it's not terrifying. I've noticed the decline in bees in my own back yard just as an observer of the natural world, but seeing a story like this is still a shock. I saw the movie COLLAPSE, and while I think that guy was probably a bit crazy, he makes some salient points. I think if you look at the over all trend of stories about the environment, it feels like there is a coming disaster being pretty much ignored by the media and everyone else. Not all of these stories are directly connected (beyond generally talking about how humans are effecting the environment), but if you read between the lines it seems like a great deal of the biosphere is about to get knocked down for the count



I use a Mark Whalberg jpg for humor, but this does really freak me out to be perfectly frank

*Probably will be back in a month or two, I'm thinking
post #20 of 25
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[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/birds-dying-in-italy-thou_n_805541.html] It's 'happened' again[/url]

 

Via Huffpo..

 

[quote] WASHINGTON — First, the blackbirds fell out of the sky on New Year's Eve in Arkansas. In recent days, wildlife have mysteriously died in big numbers: 2 million fish in the Chesapeake Bay, 150 tons of red tilapia in Vietnam, 40,000 crabs in Britain and other places across the world. Blogs connected the deadly dots, joking about the "aflockalypse" while others saw real signs of something sinister, either biblical or environmental.[/quote]

 

[quote] On Wednesday, GeaPress reported hundreds -- possibly thousands -- of dead and dying birds in Italy. Countless turtle doves were found scattered in the streets, in flower beds and hanging tragically from trees "like Christmas balls" in the town of Faenza. Many of the birds that fell dead from the sky were discovered with a mysterious blue stain in their beaks.[/quote]

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PS Sorry if this post has screwy markup, several features of the NEW CHUD seem to not work with my computer

post #21 of 25
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I regret to inform you that this species is extinct:

 

Via HUFFPO....

 

NINJA BIRD DISCOVERED WITH NUNCHUCK WINGS

 

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Is it a bird or a ninja? Okay, it's a bird. But scientists have found bones from this extinct creature that reveal it used its banana-shaped wings as weapons, similar to how ninjas use nunchucks.

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post #22 of 25
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I'm sorry to have to break the news, but the Western Black Rhino is now officially extinct

 

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The Northern White Rhino of central Africa is now "possibly extinct" in the wild and the Javan Rhino "probably extinct" in Vietnam, after poachers killed the last animal there in 2010

 

 

This kind of horseshit makes me furious and sick to my stomach. There is no reason this species had to die. Now till the end of the history, humans will never again walk the earth in it's company. And why? Because we didn't care enough to save it. We declared intangible concepts like "money" to be more important than living creatures. Future generations will not look kindly on our stewardship of the earth

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The last flock of Whooping Cranes in the world is under mortal threat:

 

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A century ago, the whooping cranes' majestic 5-foot frame and mournful call were common across the Texas shoreline and as far away as the East and West coasts. But by the 1940s, the pesticide DDT and disappearing habitat decimated the population, leaving only 14 birds in the whole country.

 

The eventual ban of DDT and efforts by scientists and Gulf Coast residents who view the cranes as a part of the tranquil landscape helped bring the population up to the current estimate of 300 birds.

 

 

But ya know, Beyonce! GOP debates! Let's all pay attention to those important late breaking developments instead. Surely these animals will all still be here a century from now when humans wake up and decide it's time to care

 

 

From the ROAD, on the flight of the last birds the protagonist ever heard:

 

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their half-muted crankings miles above where they circled the earth as senselessly as insects trooping the rim of a bowl

 


Edited by Princess Kate - 1/10/12 at 8:00am
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My heart is heavy with sadness for these threatened species:

 

 

 

Extinct Giant Tortoise Species That Shaped Darwin's Ideas Could Be Alive On Galapagos Islands

 

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A species of giant tortoise thought to have been extinct for more than 150 years may still be living in the Galapagos Islands.

 

Scientists studying tortoises on the island chain have found genetic footprints of Chelonoidis elephantopus, the species that helped Charles Darwin formulate his opinions on evolution.

Genetic clues indicate that pure-bred members of the species have recently mated with giant tortoises of similar yet different species, suggesting that members of the Chelonoidis elephantopus may still be alive.

 

The genetic footprint was found in 84 tortoises from Isabela Island. Each of these hybrids had a parent from the long-thought extinct species. As tortoises live on average for more than 100 years, it is likely that members of the parent species are still alive, scientists predict.

 

Reported in the journal Current Biology, lead researcher Dr Ryan Garrick of the University of Mississippi, said: "To our knowledge this is the first report of the rediscovery of a species by way of tracking the genetic footprints left in the genomes (genetic codes) of its hybrid offspring."

 

 

A few individuals may survive on a distant island. If I were in charge, we'd drop everything and assign these species their own secret service details. No joke: such measures could have saved the few remaining Western black rhinos from extinction at the hands of poachers. We as a species simply didn't care enough to save them

 

 

No sooner discovered than declared critically endangered

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Researchers with the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS) recently announced the discovery of a new snake species in East Africa. Matilda's horned viper (Atheris matildae) was found in a remote area of Tanzania, according to a WCS press release.

 

The snake, which was described in a December issue of the journal Zootaxa, is just over two feet long, has horn-like scales above its eyes and is covered in distinctive black and yellow markings.

 

According to National Geographic, the snake's habitat is threatened by "human development and other factors." In fact, its habitat has reportedly been reduced to less than 40 square miles within the remote forest.

 

 

Will this species last out the decade? Not unless we understand that it's value as a living creature is no less than our own

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