The Walking Dead: SPOILERS - Page 2

Wesley Snipes for Tyreese... he'll work for a warm sandwich and a 6 pack of diet coke.

It would be great if Darabont brought in Clancy Brown. Jane is probably my #1 choice for the Governor, Brown would a great alternate for that role. That or Hershel.

Don't have much to add to the conversation at this time, but I wanted to at least commend this thread for not being the complete drag that the "official" TWD thread is. Goddamn, I thought *I* was a geek ... the nitpicking over there would make a fucking Star Trek convention look reasonable.

Loving this show so far, and very curious to see how Darabont handles some of the major plot points from the book. Will he have the sac to have Lori and the baby take a shotgun blast? Will we get the Michonne rape and torture scenes? Will RIck and co. go completely psycho on the Hunters?

I'm still thinking Savini was born to play the Governor, or rather the Governor appears to be written with Savini as inspiration. Granted, this show will probably require somebody with more acting chops than ol' Tom ... but it would be a cool nod to its' zombie roots to cast him somewhere in the show.

From the "other" thread. This post makes me wonder about future show developments. If Merle Dixon was rescued by a helicopter, and that helicopter was from Woodsbury...... I don't imagine Merle will be too happy to see Rick again. A hand for a hand and all that.

call me crazy... but I think Shane isn't going to die this season.

Crazy. It'll be the climax. It's already leading up to that point- look at Shane about to lose his shit in yesterday's episode and taking it out on others. It'll all come around.

possibly, but I read an interesting interview with him where he talks about next season, and how the show didn't want to paint him as a bad guy, like the comics....

It's totally the season cliff-hanger. Shane has to go, it would change the dynamic WAAAAY too much to keep him.

Maybe having Snipes as Tyreese would bring back some bad memories of prison ...

I've had this thought too... It's even feasible that Rooker ends up becoming The Governor, which would give that character more reason to do the insane things he ends up doing. And a hand for a hand, of course.

They've deviated so far from the comics who knows what the fuck will happen at this point, and I for one am loving it.

Tyrese's character may get absorbed into the father/son who save Rick in the pilot. That also gets rid of the suicide pact between Tyrese's daughter and her douchebag boyfriend in the comic (which didn't do that much for me). Good call on Rooker turning into the governor. Not a bad theory at all. It also let's us keep the Boondock Saints fans watching (for whatever that's worth). If Rooker got offed so quickly things would come to a head with his brother. I forsee a character arc for the brother that allows him to become less of the racist douche that Rooker is as he learns to rely on the group, etc. Then he has some divided loyalties when he reunites with his bro.

I don't know about that. Darabont has specifically mentioned introducing Tyrese in the second season. The Rooker as the Governor idea is interesting though.

I like that for once it's the fanboys of the source that are in love with the adaption, meanwhile the TV thread is full of people nitpicking the show to death and only one person on the front page seems to like the show much at all. Usually its the hardcore fans that find all of the faults with the adaptations. Especially with one that isn't afraid to deviate from the source.

It's also nice that this is becoming somewhat of a cultural staple already. 5 million viewers each week? That's crazy awesome.

There do seem to be a lot of foreshadowing clues here. The helicopter, the hand, Merle's obsession about being "in charge", and his willingness to use violence to get it, and his military past. It's all speculation, but I would NOT be surprised.

I love this show.




My God, that other thread is becoming difficult to swallow. What is up with certain people loosing their shit whenever somebody finds fault with Shane? And it's coming from people I didn't expect.

I think fanboys are uncharacteristically in love with the adaptation because; (A) it is a REALLY well done adaptation which is very respectful to the spirit of the source material, and (B) OMGZ! It's a freaking Zombie Show on TV!

Wouldn't Merle ending up as the Governor edge really close to Lucas 'everyone is somehow related to everyone' territory? I don't think that come the Apocalypse there is going to be a shortage of crazies.

It will be a nice mirror though. Rick is what happens when you've got a decent leader and Merle is what happens when you've got an insane guy as your leader. I got the sense that it's a bit of forshadowing for that situation as well.

It'll be interesting to see if they encounter him at all in the remaining 3 episodes though.

No, i'm sure there will be plenty of crazies going around.

But a better Lucas analogy might be that the Governor ends up being Rick's older brother who before the zombies built Dale's RV, taught Shane how to be a cop, fathered Andria and Amy, was the Grand wizard of Merle's "social club", and mentored under the Evil scientist who created the zombie plague in the first place.

The governor to be played by the same guy who plays Rick Grimes. It will be his twin, and in the middle of the season, The governor goes back to camp, acting like Rick, he screws Lori also.

In the previews for the next episode it looks like the camp gets swarmed at some point so maybe they will move on before the end of the season. I feel like we would have heard about Hershel's casting though, so I doubt we'll see him until next season.

Wiltshire Estate is the most likely ending.

I'm thinking this season ends in one of two ways if they want to stick to an event from the book:

1) With Carl shooting Shane to protect Rick (hopefully still in the neck)

or

2) Carl getting shot in the woods by Otis, which would lead to the farm at the start of season 2.

I'm not convinced they'll end on something from the book, though. Frank probably wants fans of the comics to be just as taken with a cliffhanger as those not familiar with the material. If they don't fine Merle prior to episode 6, it may just end with him showing up to either save the day... or totally ruin it.

Either way, I'm so hoping the prison makes an appearance earlier rather than later in season 2.. and I'm not even sure I can articulate why. I have so much nostalgia for that era of the comic... it's the prison arc that really hooked me on the book worse than crack. I still kinda hope they end up going BACK to the prison in the books. It's not like they couldn't clear it out again and re-build the fence. Assuming those left from Woodbury aren't occupying it now.

Probably too many bad memories for Rick and Carl there, though.

I honestly don't see how she could still be alive. Even if she survived the initial shot, her back was blown out killing the baby, leaving her extremely wounded with hundreds of zombies coming in and no one standing up to protect her. Maybe the governor made his way in and locked himself in a room or something. So he could still be around, I suppose.

I wonder if they'll keep the pregnancy thing in the show and if they do, if they'll even dare to show a baby getting killed like that, or any way at all. If anything, she'll hand off the child to Rick as he leaves her behind since she's mortally wounded. Or who knows at this point, the baby may never make an appearance at all.

It is conceiveable that Lori is still alive, but if so, who's that on the phone

i love the way that there's so many possible cliffhangers for this season, the Wiltshire Estate ending would be great, a slow pull back through the gates with the "all dead" reveal. or even the Shane shot - a sudden, jarring finish.

I also love the way the story is really taking it's time, rather than the usual MO of burning through the source material/ initial concept ASAP then leaving the show directionless and repetitive (see practically every show ever). I could really see them spending most of next season at the farm (six episodes that is), as it's a great place for new relationships and for new characters to be introduced - also think of the dread - "stay away from the old barn..."

Having each of the early seasons be represented by "one" location as part of the arc.

Season 2 - Wiltshire & the Farm
Season 3 - Prison / woodbury ( i hope they don't dwell on woodbury/ governor as IMHO it lets down the series - sure it would be nice to throw the gore loving fanboys a cartoon bone but if the tv thread is anything to go by they'll resent it completely)

the other thing I like about this is that it shows what can be done with comics outside of the movie studio system, this is what constantine, punisher, LXg, watchmen etc. could have been and, god-willing, what preacher will be. This is the future of the comic-book adaptation.

the baby is happening, it's such a great driving force for the second season, i just don't know if they'll kill it off so quickly, seems like a waste (did at the time too). I also hope that the kid playing carl doesn't hit puberty too quickly.

Yes, we do see Lori and the Governor die. The Governor orders one of his soldiers, a woman named Lilly, to shot Lori. Lori, with baby in arms, is ripped nearly in half. Lilly then looses it and shoots half the governor's head off and kicked him into a mass of walkers, who proceeded to give him the Captain Rhodes treatment.

Isn't constatine essentially what the show Supernatural turned out to be, more or less?

I'm going to give a here, here to this thread versus the one in the TV section. That sucker has gotten out of hand and goofy in a way this show hopefully never will.

I'm digging the way the cliff hangers are working on me as well despite being nearly caught up with the comic. As I said bfore, I like anticipation in my life. As far as timeline is concerned, Rick's son is gonna have to start stunting his growth if they want to keep him young enough as the seasons go on.

Agreed. The level of nitpicking even the most insignificant details over there is beyond insane. There's still some good discussion over there, but holy fuck are some people over there tightly wound up.


Anyway, I'm curious if anyone has some good zombie books/comic recommendations that may tide one over in the freeking YEAR LONG wait between the first and second seasons of the show, and the long waits for each new issue Kirkman puts out. I looked around for a thread and didn't see one.. but it's possible I didn't look hard enough.

I highly suggest World War Z to the remaining one or two of you who may not have already read it. The audiobook is phenomenal as well.

Day By Day Armageddon was alright, but I found myself getting angry at the narrator/protagonist for being such a right wing douchebag.. which has kept me from picking up the sequel.

I'm hearing good things about this book.

And this thread has already bugged me, though not as much as the TV one. Not with the nitpicking of course, but with the insistence that we get to the prison story ASAP. Not that I'm not going to thoroughly enjoy that arc, I just think people are going to probably be surprised how slow the show will develop and how much it will stray from the comics.

Odds on Shane actually being killed?

Shane getting killed by Carl is too important of a plot point to ignore.

The main character is a pilot in the air force. I liked that the author stuck to his guns and wrote from that POV, even though it would've likely won him more readers if he made the character an enlightened, liberal sort. Sometimes it helps if you can put a paper bag over your politics and enjoy the ride.

Yeah, I think we'll see Shane get offed in the final episode this season. I wonder what the reaction from the nitpickers will be? "The recoil on that size handgun should have broken the kid's arm! Pffft! What a stupid mess of a show"

I too think that Shane getting killed would make a great ending to Season 1 but his character is changed (and role increased) from the comics. That plus the invention (and seeming importance) of Rooker's character has me wondering just how far they will stray from the comic.

True, and they've got only 3 more to do it in. More like 2 if the next one is spent entirely in the city. In addition, Rick hasn't even shown Carl how to shoot yet.

The major stuff they have to go through isn't that time consuming. Rick has some city adventures and gets back with the guns. Meanwhile Shane gets bitchslapped some more by Lori. Rick and Shane start training the people. They start looking more to Rick than Shane. Rick suggest they should move on and Shane has his first freakout. The night attack happens. Rick starts emerging as a leader. They have a blame party afterwards. Shane has another freakout. The next day Rick and Shane go hunting followed by Carl. Shane tries to kill Rick and gets shot by Carl. The season ends with the survivors packing their stuff up and leaving.

They could easily do it in three episodes without picking up the pace too much.

I've got total faith in Darabont, the pacing is wonderful and now it's a hit there isn't the pressure to blaze through the rest of the story. I don't mind when Shane dies, but he's gotta die and killing off a major character is a great way to end a season. I'm just glad they are spending time giving him some development first - one of my problems with the book (especially early on when Tony Moore was on duty) was that so many of the characters looked alike and only got a few lines that when they got munched I didn't know who they were or why I should care (minor gripe).

Personally, I hope the season ends with Shane's demise. I really don't want Shane to stick around through multiple seasons. This is Rick's story, Shane is NOT going to give up authority as the group's leader to Rick. I thought the fact that Carl kills him in the comics is very powerful, and I would be surprised if Darabont does not keep that in the TV series. It has long term effects on Carl's development. The kid has to grow up way too fast.

The pilot episode already set up that this series is not afraid to mix kids and violence.

Oh, I know that it's fitting for the character, but it took me out of the story several times. I can usually check my politics at the door when it comes to entertainment. It was extra difficult with this one though. I still may check out the sequel at some point, but there's a ton of stuff out there I'll likely get to first.


Back to the show, I agree that they have a lot more character work to do before Carl offs Shane - if they even keep that aspect of the comic. At the current rate, if they had the shooting in episode six, it would lack the emotional weight that it needs to be a success. That's not to say that Frank and co. can't find a way to squeeze all of that development in between now and then if they tried hard enough... but it's unlikely at this point given the pacing of eps 1 - 3.

To be clear: I'm perfectly content with this show taking a slow burn approach. As much as I personally want to see the prison come into play in the second season, I'd still loyally keep watching even if that part of the story isn't told until season 3 or 4 - providing the show stays fresh and interesting.

I'm loving this show like I've loved few others and I sincerely hope that it gets a nice long run on AMC.

And man.. I'm really looking forward to Rick going back to Atlanta to dig up Shane and shoot him again, heh.

Right, I do not get the "rush rush rush, lets get to the prison setting" sentiment that so many people have. The funny thing is a lot of times its coming from the same folks who praised the pilot for it's relatively slow pace and lambasted the second episode for being more action oriented.

I hope the show gets some decent mileage out of the survior's post camp wonderings. This show has the potential to successfully be so many different shows. In the comics the survivor's go through so many different ordeals and settings trying to survive. They wonder the wastelands, they try farming, they try to fortify themselves in the prison, they try to revitalize a dead town, they wonder some more, they find another living town. I would really hate for this show to outlive it's welcome by hunkering down in claustrophobic prison sets for three or more seasons. I thought the best parts of Battlestar was when the show mixed up the formula and let people out of the damned all too familiar spaceship hallway sets for a few episodes.

Then I would argue I've seen that video of the 2-year old shooting his dad in the gut and he took that recoil pretty good. Better than any of those "Girl's Handgun FAIL!" video chicks!

Seriously, there's no winning with those people. If they off Shane for the finale, they'll find some shit to bitch about. If they don't, then they'll bitch about how they didn't. No pleasing some people.

I know Shane isn't getting killed by ep. 6. There's an interview where he talks about next season as if he was excited to get back into it.

Gotta say, I'm not feeling the next episode. Vato gang? Seriously? Are there a lot of Mexican gang members rolling around Atlanta? And the stereotypes! Extra large T-shirts or wifebeaters, bandanas, long Dickie's shorts with white tube sox and Nikes? Really? We should start a pool on how many times they call someone "ese" and "homes". How about we not let Kirkman write anymore episodes? That'd be great.

It'd be fucking great if they were captured by the vatos and just before they were executed, Merle shows up with a big ass machine gun and blows the gang away like the termintor. Rick and co. look up in shock. Merle spits, wipes his mouth and says,"Fuckin' mexicans..." Credits.

I don't know....does anyone really think Shane will still get shot at the end of this season?

The attack last night was a great way to thin out the extra characters and I didn't have any problem with the 'gang' portion.

But Shane isn't really doing anything worth getting killed over (yet) and they still have a lot to go through.

I don't think that was Shane, I think it was Jim...

the preview for next show, shows Shanes bite free arm.

He and Daryl are my two favorite characters.
I think it's funny, that people hate him cause he slept with Rick's wife, but the same guys will cheer James Bond when he does the same.

NickP, I think it's all about context......

This week's Entertainment Weekly features a story on The Walking Dead; a few pages with information on bringing it the screen and other things we've heard before. However, two important tidbits of info regarding this season were discussed and quotes Darabont directly:

1. Shane does not die at the end of the season. He specifically mentions that the season does not end in a cliffhanger since they were unsure it was even going to be picked up.

2. He loves the Governor, so that character will show up. They actually mention some of the on-line rumors about Merle showing up as the Governor and Darabont says..."Really. Interesting. I'm not saying anything."

So there you go.

As cool as it would be, I wouldn't read too much into that. It's not beneath Darabont to mislead us intentionally. Still.. I'll be stoked that I got it right before reading anyone else speculate on the Merle/Governor connection.

Bummer on Shane though, I was really looking forward to seeing Carl ventilate his neck. Maybe in season 2...

Anyone read issue #79 yet? Looks like the next few issues are going to be fucking nuts - in a good way!

I usually wait for the Hardcover books are out. Or just read my friends' trades. I don't think I've bought an actual issue of anything since high school.

And I knew the governor was going to show up, if Michonne is his favorite character, he's going to have the gov. Hopefully they can make him work.

Well to be fair James Bond is not fucking his best friends wife and if he is fucking someones wife it's the supervillain we all hate. Plus there is usually something about gathering info although yeah I imagine he enjoys it.

OK...after this last episode - which was great - it's safe to say that comparing the show to the comic is almost impossible at this point. I like that they've kept some little things in there; the sister's death, Jim being left in the woods to turn on his own. But that's kind of almost it (I'm generalizing and not getting too picky).

But this whole trip to the CDC should prove quite interesting and something else altogether. This is obviously going to be providing more back story on the apocalypse than the comic did at this point, and may thin out the cast even more - although not by much.