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post #1 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:20am
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The search for an unknown to play the role begins.

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post #2 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:44am
Is casting an unknown confirmed? And if so, what kind of rumors should we expect?

"Hey, I heard they're looking for tall/dark/handsome..."

"Well, I heard just the opposite... I heard short/albino/ugly..."

"I heard they genetically engineered the actor in a lab..."

"You're dumb."
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post #3 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:46am
Steve Murphy, I am glad that...Brandon Routh, is...Not associated with, Zack Snyder's Superman! As A Re-boot, I would like to see the new, Superman, Spin the Earth Backwards, to forget, that horrible...Superman Returns.
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post #4 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:46am
It's confirmed through Deadline, yes. So far the rumors have been mostly TV guys.
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post #5 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:47am
Not looking forward to this at all.
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post #6 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:52am
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It's confirmed through Deadline, yes. So far the rumors have been mostly TV guys.
Ah, there's a link I didn't catch. Oops.
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post #7 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:54am
I cannot wait for the internet to implode based on Routh being excluded after he got massive geek love in Scott Pilgrim.

And I guess that 32 cutoff was a middle finger to Welling who just turned 33 this year; even if they are looking at TV guys.
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post #8 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:56am
Am I the only one who liked Routh?
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post #9 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:56am
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And I guess that 32 cutoff was a middle finger to Welling who just turned 33 this year; even if they are looking at TV guys.
Ouch. And it also keeps Hamm (or who I was also pulling for: Matt Fox) out of the running as well.
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Am I the only one who liked Routh?
I liked him fine, but the more they distance themselves from SR, the better IMO. And that means no baggage.
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post #10 of 94
11/19/10 at 11:57am
Honestly, if they don't just gun for Jon Hamm, they're making a colossal error. That guy just seems like someone who was genetically engineered to play the part.
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post #11 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:00pm
Steve, I liked Routh too. Excluding him from any kind of consideration on this almost seems mean-spirited.

That's a GREAT pic of Reeve in the article, by the way.
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post #12 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:07pm
Routh was great, and I wish he could have a crack at a Supes film where got to be Clark for more than five minutes.
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post #13 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:08pm
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Am I the only one who liked Routh?
Nope. He was the best part of SR and I would like to see him get another shot. But with him putting his spin on Kent/Superman insted of doing almost a pitch perfect Christopher Reeves. He'd be my first choice. Sadly it looks like he won't get that second chance.

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Ouch. And it also keeps Hamm (or who I was also pulling for: Matt Fox) out of the running as well.
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Honestly, if they don't just gun for Jon Hamm, they're making a colossal error. That guy just seems like someone who was genetically engineered to play the part.
Hamm is perfect for the role, who cares if he's what 35-36. We don't need a whiny teenage Superman. But if you take Hamm's interview on Conan serious he has no interest in being a "middle aged" Superman.
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post #14 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:09pm
If Snyder was smart, he would sign James Wolk immediately.
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post #15 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:14pm
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Am I the only one who liked Routh?
Yes.

Seriously though, I think Routh could have been better. Was he under compulsion to play Reeve playing Superman or did he make that choice himself? If the latter then he has got to go. If the former then he needs to put together and audition tape and show the world he can make the character his own.

The problem with that is when you look at the other superheroes that don't wear masks there are really only two that I can think of that no one else could pull off in the face of past performances. Logan and Clark(heh, what I did there was totally unintentional, although now I want a Marvel/DC crossover).

If Hamm was on board he would fall flat in a film on his own but would shine brighter than Downey, Jr. in a Justice League lead role.
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post #16 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:19pm
Not only is he not interested, but Hamm is on the edge of fucking 40. Why is that a big deal? Same reason Roger Moore playing Bond beyond his expiration date was a big deal. It just looks bad after awhile, and Hamm is going to do nothing but get older between films. Probably a bigger problem for an indestructible alien supergod than a cocksmith secret agent.

No one is making a mistake by passing him or anyone of like age up, they're just being real about it.
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post #17 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:26pm
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Yes.

Seriously though, I think Routh could have been better. Was he under compulsion to play Reeve playing Superman or did he make that choice himself? If the latter then he has got to go.
Did you see Superman Returns? The answer to this is painfully obvious. Routh did what was asked of him.
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post #18 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:30pm
Routh was good, but there's no way he gets the part this go-round. It's a shame, because on top of being good in the part, he seems like a genuinely decent guy from every interview I've read with him. He was just there at the wrong time for this.
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post #19 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:34pm
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Am I the only one who liked Routh?
No, I thought he was great. I'm not gonna implode though...
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post #20 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:41pm
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Routh was good, but there's no way he gets the part this go-round. It's a shame, because on top of being good in the part, he seems like a genuinely decent guy from every interview I've read with him. He was just there at the wrong time for this.
- He has goodwill from almost everyone regarding the work that he did with Superman.
- He has, by all accounts, successfully moved on to other projects without much of a stigma...unlike Christopher Reeve.
- He has proven himself a decent enough actor in other films (especially in 'Scott Pilgrim')...unlike Christopher Reeve.

Reeve was great as Superman but was unremarkable (and often bad) as anything else. Routh has the advantage of having more of a range and SHOULD move on to other things.
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post #21 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:45pm
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Not only is he not interested, but Hamm is on the edge of fucking 40...No one is making a mistake by passing him or anyone of like age up, they're just being real about it.
Agreed 100%. WB and DC are going to be looking to secure someone for at least a 3 picture deal, which could mean 6-10 years between the first and third film (e.g., the 7 years between BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT RISES).

And I also liked Routh a lot; he's unfortunate collateral damage from the fallout of SR. WB is looking to completely reboot the franchise, and keeping the same Supes would be confusing for the general moviegoing public.
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post #22 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:45pm
Get Armie Hammer, now. I think he'd be great.
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post #23 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:46pm
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- He has goodwill from almost everyone regarding the work that he did with Superman.
- He has, by all accounts, successfully moved on to other projects without much of a stigma...unlike Christopher Reeve.
- He has proven himself a decent enough actor in other films (especially in 'Scott Pilgrim')...unlike Christopher Reeve.

Reeve was great as Superman but was unremarkable (and often bad) as anything else. Routh has the advantage of having more of a range and SHOULD move on to other things.
He also had a run on Chuck all through season 3. He's working. He'll be ok.
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post #24 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:46pm
I feel badly about Mr Routh getting let go from the role. He was aces in SM:R and deserved another shot to shine. His line reading about air travel still cracks me up and gives me goosebumps all at the same time

Whoever they go with really will have to be 'unknown' because I don't know of another actor more suited to the role than Mr Routh was

In his honor, I'm posting this final celebratory still of his fine work from the SM franchise:



Good luck to whoever comes next. They have big boots to fill

EDIT: BTW, interesting to see they're going for an older actor (by Hollywood standards). At least we won't be getting a frat boy SM
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post #25 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:47pm
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Did you see Superman Returns? The answer to this is painfully obvious. Routh did what was asked of him.
Just recently revisited in fact. I didn't care for it in the theatre, didn't care for it when the comic book junkie in me bought the DVD out of a completist mentality I cannot escape nor did I like it this time.

I also don't think Spacey put in the performance that many people think was a good Luthor. I just feel the film was brought low on all fronts.
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post #26 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:47pm
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Get Armie Hammer, now. I think he'd be great.
His name is so cleansing and refreshing.
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post #27 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:47pm
heh the wrestling boards were lighting up that The Rock and John Cena were on the list..

I chuckled.
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post #28 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:51pm
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Get Armie Hammer, now. I think he'd be great.
This.

I thought he was good in SR, but I don't see how anybody could realistically think Routh ever had a shot at this.
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post #29 of 94
11/19/10 at 12:53pm
Wish they hadn't made the S on Routh's chest so small.

Too nitpicky?
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post #30 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:03pm
No, it's always bothered me as well. And good call on Spacey's Luthor - another disappointing facet to Superman Returns.
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post #31 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:05pm
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Wish they hadn't made the S on Routh's chest so small.

Too nitpicky?
Valid!

Hamm's too good an actor to waste on Superman. Yeah, I said it.
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post #32 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:06pm
Guys, c'mon. Routh was fine, he did what was asked of him which was a Chris Reeve impression. But he was nothing special. There's a better Superman out there.
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post #33 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:10pm
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Hamm's too good an actor to waste on Superman. Yeah, I said it.
I wouldn't want to see him Hammstrung by the role.

Now Arnie Hammer, I be OK with him being Hammerstrung.
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post #34 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:12pm
Hamm shouldn't be anywhere near Superman. End of story.

And as sad as it makes me Returns means that Routh, through no fault of his own, is out of the question. Before having seen The Social Network I was kind of apprehensive about the Armie Hammer suggestions. Not so much now. And in a similar vein Chuck's Ryan McPartlin has some merits for this.
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post #35 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:13pm
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Valid!

Hamm's too good an actor to waste on Superman. Yeah, I said it.
He's a great actor, but--to date--he's only found success on a cable show that only a small fraction of the population watches. He needs marketability to ensure that the end of Mad Men isn't the end of seeing the guy in lead roles. Superman may not be up to the standards of the work that suits him, but--in the hands of someone like Nolan--the role makes him an instant A-Lister. That is the main reason I want him in the role.
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post #36 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:27pm
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He also had a run on Chuck all through season 3. He's working. He'll be ok.
Indeed, Routh seems to be doing well for himself post-SR and isn't going away anytime soon. I initially disliked his role on Chuck but his turn as a "muhaha" villain was excellent in all respects. The man has presence when he chooses to.

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Wish they hadn't made the S on Routh's chest so small.

Too nitpicky?
Nope, the S needs to be HUGE. Alex Ross gets it right.
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post #37 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:29pm
Plenty of lesser-to-flat out-unknown actors since Routh (who did a great job, for my money) was hired in late '04 have surfaced. So yeah the likes of James Wolk, Benjamin Walker and even someone like Scott Porter will probably read.
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post #38 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:31pm
I'd like to weigh in on the 'S' issue, if I may:

I thought that over all Routh's SM suit was great. I liked the material it was made from (some kind of rubber?), the boots, the thickness of the cape, the colors, ETC

I do feel that the S was slightly too small, and that yes, as others have stated a super large over sized S seems like it fits the character better

With that said though, the smallness of the SM S was not in any way distracting for me and if they went with a similarly sized one in Nolan's film, I'd not be feel put out in any way
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post #39 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:41pm
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He's a great actor, but--to date--he's only found success on a cable show that only a small fraction of the population watches.
And SNL. And 30 Rock. I didn't see The Town, but I assume he delivered. Hamm seems to be waiting for the right project so he doesn't end up the next Gerard Butler. Superman ain't it.

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Superman may not be up to the standards of the work that suits him, but--in the hands of someone like Nolan--the role makes him an instant A-Lister. That is the main reason I want him in the role.
It's not Nolan's hands, ultimately, it's Zack Snyder's. Snyder doesn't seem to be a starmaker thus far. On top of that, no one who's played Superman went on to "A lister." Nolan's own Batman seems to be having trouble becoming a star anyone gives a crap about.
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post #40 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:49pm
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On top of that, no one who's played Superman went on to "A lister."
Some might even go so far as to say the role is CURSED!
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post #41 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:49pm
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I didn't see The Town, but I assume he delivered.
That he did. No one should worry about Hamm's career. He's too good to just fall behind now that he has exposure. I'm pretty sure that there's a good number of scripts being written or changed for him.
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post #42 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:53pm
The whole Superman Returns debacle seems like a repeat of the Star Trek: The Motion Picture situation. Obviously, Snyder's gonna have to Wrath Of Khan the Supes franchise, but replacing a lead actor who worked like gangbusters but was misused seems like a really hyperbolic reaction.
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post #43 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:57pm
I didn't like Routh in SR. It felt too much like an impersonation and then I don't care whether that's what he was told to do or not. It was just wrong. He possesses none of the charm and charisma that came so natural for Reeves.

In my opinion.

So yeah, definitely look for someone new and unknown.
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post #44 of 94
11/19/10 at 1:58pm
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It's not Nolan's hands, ultimately, it's Zack Snyder's. Snyder doesn't seem to be a starmaker thus far. On top of that, no one who's played Superman went on to "A lister." Nolan's own Batman seems to be having trouble becoming a star anyone gives a crap about.
If Snyder actually has creative control and this isn't a retread of the Spielberg/Hickenlooper type of working relationship, I'll be surprised.

Bale hasn't skyrocketed because of two things. First, he's the least interesting thing in each film. Second, the one "commercial" film he's done outside of the series since getting the role was playing John Connor in a poorly received fourth entry in a franchise that is older than I am.

If Heath Ledger had lived, he would be one of the biggest stars in film thanks to TDK.
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post #45 of 94
11/19/10 at 2:03pm
Spielberg/Hickenlooper?
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post #46 of 94
11/19/10 at 2:04pm
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Nolan's own Batman seems to be having trouble becoming a star anyone gives a crap about.
To be fair, Bale coming across as standoffish and an asshole probably has a lot to do with that. Also, making mistakes like T4.

On Routh, I somehow get the impression that his co-stars (like the Scott Pilgrim cast) don't care for him too much or at least think he's a bore. He's a bit of a stiff. That aside, I liked him as Superman and I think he has talent in general, so I wish him well.

Whoever they cast, my biggest reservation up until I see it will be Snyder.
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post #47 of 94
11/19/10 at 2:07pm
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Spielberg/Hickenlooper?
Hooper, I meant Hooper. I have no fucking idea how Toby Hooper and George Hickenlooper get mixed up. It's early.
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post #48 of 94
11/19/10 at 2:07pm
Just wanted to point out that Bale has done plenty of commercial work besides TS and the BATMAN FILMS. Shaft and Reign of Fire were all attempts by Mr Bale to seek out more main stream work
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post #49 of 94
11/19/10 at 2:09pm
I don't care about the reasons Bale's not a star. There was an erroneous comment made that Nolan's some kind of fast-track to A-List status, and another erroneous fact that this is somehow his project. Nolan's lending his name to the thing to salvage the brand for a studio that has let him do whatever he wants. Cool move on his part, but this is going to be A Zack Snyder Film.
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post #50 of 94
11/19/10 at 2:11pm
And - whisper it - probably worse off for it.

Besides, you don't hire Snyder as a point-and-shoot proxy.
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