Doctor Who: Season Six - Page 3

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Originally Posted by BurnInHell 
 I truly believe that people rag on him just because he's gay

Yep, that's me.  But I somehow get over my homophobia when loving later Torchwood.

You're aware that you're defending a man who saved the Doctor's life by having everyone on the planet say his name at the same time, right?  Or made a convenient David Tennant clone so that Rose could get a Doctor?

I remember reading the chapters about Series Four in The Writer's Tale, and Davies says he 'nailed' the beach scene between Rose and the two Doctors.  And my one thought was, "Um, no, sir.  You really, really didn't."

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

And this cemented the nitpick that I have in regard to Gillan's acting: she does these odd little pauses when she talks.  It's like she's constantly running out of air or something,

Am I alone in finding that adorable?
 

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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall 

Hhrm, one of the shots seems to be showing a regeneration. But it looks like the old Tardis set. It could be something completely different... but it’d be interesting to have them cross back into the Doctor’s timeline.

 

Also

 

"I've killed 100 time lords"

 

"Well..I've killed them ALL"

A friend of mine commented on that as well. I'm definitely edging in that direction, even though you rightly pointed out later it might just be Moffat mucking about. How cool would it be if it wasn't just that, though?

And yeah, that exchange was my favourite bit from the whole trailer. I love when Smith squares up to big bads. He sells it every time.
 

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Originally Posted by BurnInHell 

 

 

Difference being, of course, that Carlin didn't share his thoughts on a messageboard, which instantly stopped it from just looking like an angry nerd with a keyboard.  Plus, he also made much stronger argument points for his cases in general.  Please don't compare yourself to George Carlin.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

 

 

 

You're aware that you're defending a man who saved the Doctor's life by having everyone on the planet say his name at the same time, right?  Or made a convenient David Tennant clone so that Rose could get a Doctor?

To me, RTD's stuff feels like it came from a fanfiction writer.  Moffat's stuff feels like it came from a writer. 

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Originally Posted by The NZ Natural 

Difference being, of course, that Carlin didn't share his thoughts on a message board, which instantly stopped it from just looking like an angry nerd with a keyboard.  Plus, he also made much stronger argument points for his cases in general.  Please don't compare yourself to George Carlin.

And yet you say that my points are valid which immediately negates your criticisms of my vulgarity. According to that logic, anything Carlin said was meaningless as he swore like a motherfucker. Oh and the only difference's between me and him are that A: I'm not dead and B: Carlin's whole career was based on the hypocrisies of our culture while doing his little song and dance on a stage in front of a camera for money where as I do this for neither fame or fortune which means that what I say is the purest form of art there is. Cocksucker.

Don't worry, when you grow up a bit you will understand that swear words are cooler when used in moderation.

This is the internet.  Modulation need not ever apply.

I think likening RTD to a fan fiction writer is a little harsh, Harley.  The man wrote some great episodes of the show (Midnight jumps immediately to mind).  And for all the kinks, he was really bloody good when it came to ripping the heart out of the audience.  Doomsday (the only RTD finale I'd call a complete success) comes to mind, as well as Donna's fate.

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Originally Posted by OCallaghan 

Was that Lily Cole at the 40ish second mark? god,I Hope so. Looks fantastic- hoping it doesn't get to weighed under with that Emo stuff as alluded to in Riversongs opening spiel. Got a fiver that says that clown sitting on the bed shot is from the Gaiman episode.

 

 

Yes it was lily cole, she's in episode 3 as a siren - according to imdb which has an interesting list of episodes and actors...

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Originally Posted by Ken Savage 

Don't worry, when you grow up a bit you will understand that swear words are cooler when used in moderation.

Says the person living in a country who's two national languages are English and CUNT!
 

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Originally Posted by BurnInHell 

And yet you say that my points are valid which immediately negates your criticisms of my vulgarity. According to that logic, anything Carlin said was meaningless as he swore like a motherfucker. Oh and the only difference's between me and him are that A: I'm not dead and B: Carlin's whole career was based on the hypocrisies of our culture while doing his little song and dance on a stage in front of a camera for money where as I do this for neither fame or fortune which means that what I say is the purest form of art there is. Cocksucker.

 

haha holy shit
 

. . . yeeeeeeeeaaaaaah.  Not disproving any opinions there, chief.  But you stay angry.  Chicken soup for the soul, I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

 

haha holy shit
 

 

Glad to see someone got the joke. People on this site are way too pretentious.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

I think likening RTD to a fan fiction writer is a little harsh, Harley.  The man wrote some great episodes of the show (Midnight jumps immediately to mind).  And for all the kinks, he was really bloody good when it came to ripping the heart out of the audience.  Doomsday (the only RTD finale I'd call a complete success) comes to mind, as well as Donna's fate.

I'll specify and say that the stuff that I disliked about RTD's run felt like something I'd read in a bad fanfic.  He did do some great stuff, as you say, but the bad was so so baaaaaad.

And here's that exclusive-to-BBC America Series Six trailer with a bunch of new footage...in HD!

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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall 

The one thing I admire about RTD is that he often boiled stories down to their emotional centre. His big finales are increasingly bombastic and over the top, but they’ve always been focused on the Doctor’s emotional reaction. Season 1 is about the Doctor confronting the thing he’s been running from and getting closure, Season 2 is about the loss of his companion, Season 3 is about him finally coming to terms with being the last of his kind, and The End of Time is about him coming to terms with the need for death.

In theory, this sounds laudable, but in practice, everything was so ridiculously over the top that it just became silly. Especially when the plots were so thin and arbitrary.

And yeah, I think the fanfic thing is pretty dead on. What's Rose if not a blatant Mary Sue?

One of the things that really bothered me were the specials that bridged series four and five. They felt pointless since we knew Tennant was leaving and it just felt like they were marking time until Smith showed up. Oh and I though The End of Time was fucking terrible. I LOVED The Master in series three and RTD totally flushed that character down the shitter. Journeys End was a perfect send off for Tennant and they should have just started fresh. The one good thing was his final scene in EOT when he regenerates. That is the RTD era at its best. Absolutely fucking EPIC!!!

End of Time's everyone-is-the-Master cliffhanger was, at least fun, though I wouldn't even try to defend the rest of the story.

I'm the complete opposite when it comes to the Master.  I didn't like him at all in Last of the Time Lords, but found him interesting and fun in The End of Time.

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Originally Posted by BurnInHell 

One of the things that really bothered me were the specials that bridged series four and five. They felt pointless since we knew Tennant was leaving and it just felt like they were marking time until Smith showed up. Oh and I though The End of Time was fucking terrible. I LOVED The Master in series three and RTD totally flushed that character down the shitter. Journeys End was a perfect send off for Tennant and they should have just started fresh. The one good thing was his final scene in EOT when he regenerates. That is the RTD era at its best. Absolutely fucking EPIC!!!

 

 

I agree with you (although I couldn't claim to have "LOVED The Master in series three" (as he was far too much like an over-excited child) but he was definitely worse in The End Of Time, jumping around like Neo in The Matrix and firing lightning bolts. Urgh.

I definitely don't agree with you that the final scene in EOT was the RTD era at its best (which would be the Doomsday finale for me). I'd say it was the RTD era at its worst. "I don't want to go"? HATED that line. If he had said something like "I don't want to change", I might have been more forgiving but it was a blatantly written for RTD rather than The Doctor. Even then, I hated the fact that Ten resisted changing so much. You'd have thought this was a Time Lord going through his first regeneration rather than his tenth. Thank God that Tennant protested against them using another take of the scene where The Doctor breaks down in floods of tears whilst saying the line.

Hurrah for The Moff's piece right after that where we get the newly regenerated Doctor checking he's still got arms and legs. Back to the comedy, no weeping and choked-up theatrics. As it should be.

It's not like RTD was pushing for the weepy take.  They had takes of him being much less dramatic than the final cut, too.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

It's not like RTD was pushing for the weepy take.  They had takes of him being much less dramatic than the final cut, too.

 

I never said RTD was pushing for it.

I know they had other takes and one of the people involved (I'm not sure of the guy's name or position - might have been the director of the episode) wanted to use the horrible, teary version. It was, more or less, only because Tennant pointed out that it "wasn't The Doctor" that they didn't.
 

Yeah, this comes up in The Writer's Tale.  But -- forgive me if I'm reading into your post too much -- it sounds like you're annoyed that such a take even exists, when it just makes sense to get as many versions of the line as you can to see what works best in the edit.

Essentially, I'm saying that the final scene wasn't great, whilst at the same time pointing out that it could have been a whole lot worse. And thank God it wasn't.

If Tennant hadn't acted as the voice of reason (and you can see this in the Doctor Who Confidential for the episode) then our final image of Ten would have been him blubbering like a baby. That's not a great way to remember him.

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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall 

The one thing I admire about RTD is that he often boiled stories down to their emotional centre. His big finales are increasingly bombastic and over the top, but they’ve always been focused on the Doctor’s emotional reaction. Season 1 is about the Doctor confronting the thing he’s been running from and getting closure, Season 2 is about the loss of his companion, Season 3 is about him finally coming to terms with being the last of his kind, and The End of Time is about him coming to terms with the need for death.

 

His desire to live is contrasted by the increasingly brutal methods Rassilon and the other Time Lords are using to cling onto their existence. As such there’s always an emotional throughline. In fact the one RTD finale which doesn’t really work for me, the Season 4 one, doesn’t seem to have that same emotional throughline.

This is my main problem with "Nu-Who" up till Season 5. The whole series is about The Doctor's state of mind and feeelings, instead of a plot driven by the Doctor's actions, which is what I like about the Olde Schoole Who.  That said, there were some great episodes under RTD that really play with the concepts of time travel and what it could allow

Uh, was he asleep for the previous four years? His Doctor is generally an emo drama queen. Maybe if he'd spoken up a few episodes into S2 we could have avoided a lot of...unpleasantness.

Form Bleeding Cool: Neil Gaiman on Doctor Who:

Newsarama an interview with Toby Haynes and Neil Gaiman:

lots given away here at the who panel wondercon, so probably spoiler-alert
 

more from newsarama about the New York prmier of the new series of doctor who. Sounds like it was a lot bigger than they expected...

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

 

 

To me, RTD's stuff feels like it came from a fanfiction writer.  Moffat's stuff feels like it came from a writer. 

 

Ehh, Moffat's answer to the reset button nature of RTD's cliffhangers was to...God, I still can't believe they did this...[spoiler]recreate the entire universe via enacting another Big Bang, TARDIS-style![/spoiler]  *LOL*

I mean, really, that resolution almost sounds like a parody of RTD's most absurd resets.

Since we are on RTD though, I always thought his biggest sin was [spoiler]bringing Rose back and giving her a lifetime of sloppy seconds with a lame facsimile of the Doctor. Embarrassing![/spoiler].

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Originally Posted by mr_adam 

more from newsarama about the New York prmier of the new series of doctor who. Sounds like it was a lot bigger than they expected...

My friend went to this and said it was a lot of fun.  She got a chocolate-covered donut from Arthur, a hug from Matt, and big compliments from Karen on her Amy outfit.  To say that I am jealous is an understatement.  She said that they managed to get over 700 people inside and still had to turn people away.  Craziness!

And I would like to direct everyone to click that link, if only to take one look at the length of Matt's pants and join me in shaking my head and chuckling.
 

here are a couple of non-spoiler clips from impossible Astronaut featuring the reunion of the cast: and a tense moment in the TARIS where the doctor finally asks River the questions we've been dying to ask...

and a tense moment in the TARIS where the doctor finally asks River the questions we've been dying to ask...

There is some spoilery stuff too but I don't need that. only 10 days left!

Doctor Who, why are you not on my TV yet?  WHY?!

Gosh, thanks for the spoiler warning there.

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Originally Posted by The Prankster 

Gosh, thanks for the spoiler warning there.

yes merriweather, it would have been nice.

Holy fuck, people, Moffat's been blabbing about this in interviews EVERYWHERE. It's in the Radio Times, for Christ's sake. Sorry if readily-available information about the new series upsets you so.

sorry mate hadn't heard that ether.

those clips are very cool though.

Check the front cover of the official DOCTOR WHO magazine, out for over a week, an image of which has been removed due to me apparently being a dick for underestimating people's sensitivity.

Gee, my issue of Doctor Who magazine must have been lost in the mail. And some of us avoid interviews and pre-hype for precisely this kind of reason.

That said, it sounds like a fake-out, so whatever. Just...it doesn't hurt to slap down a highlight block, OK?

Avoiding interviews is fine and dandy, but a lot of people don't do that and like to discuss what's been released/revealed. I apologise if this slip of information being known ahead of time has pissed you off, but being snippy about a widely-released plot tease is about as justified as moaning that someone released the episode names.

That said, the market saturation for pre-season hype is a LOT higher over here than it must be in America, so I can see how you guys wouldn't have seen this. I don't go looking for WHO news and even I heard this particular tidbit within a couple of days of Moffat saying it.

I have to be honest, I honestly don't see what the fuss is about in regards to what Andrew said, and I'm a big supporter of invisitexting spoilers.  It's not like he came out and told you who it was.  What he said was the equivalent of what you might see in any promo for an upcoming episode of any show - "This week, on an all new _________,  one of these people will die..."