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U2: Rattle and Hum (1988)

post #1 of 18
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Just got the Blu Ray and watched this again after a long time.

I think it's interesting because you see the seeds being planted for the U2 that became what it is today. And, while watching the movie, you basically see the band say good-bye to what they were.

I don't know that it works entirely because it's trying to be both a documentary and a concert film. And you really can't be both without sacrificing depth. You get great songs mixed in with some so-so numbers (Though, thank you so very much for not including God Part 2) and a whole bunch of genuinely irrelevant documentary footage.

I don't know how that trip to Graceland played in 1988. But it comes off as remarkably cheesy now. Particularly when Larry Mullen starts getting misty.

Still... It's an enjoyable experience. Phil Joanou was thinking big and, as such, the concert footage is exciting and vibrant.

And genuine.

The much criticized performance of Sunday Bloody Sunday is actually a highlight of the film. You don't get the sense that Bono is preaching (though he is) because there's a raw honesty to the moment. When he shouts "fuck the revolution!" you get the sense that he means it. And I respect a preachy attitude when it comes from the heart. This is something that affects him. It's not the manipulative schmaltz-fest of bringing the Chilean mothers out on the stage in Santiago to ask for Pinochet to give the disappeared children a proper burial.

So... Love the concert. And find myself wanting to fast forward through the documentary to get to the good stuff.

One exception: The Edge and his wonderful Van Diemen's Land performance. Not concert footage, five minutes in... And my favorite moment in the film.
post #2 of 18
I love when Bono goes "All right Edge, PLAY THE BLUES!!" and that fucking helicopter sound which is very much Not The Blues comes out of his guitar.

I hated this phase of the band. I think I still do.
post #3 of 18
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That's Silver And Gold, right Phil? And you're spot on. It's truly a not very good song.

The only good songs from the Rattle and Hum album that aren't reinterpretations of hits are: Hawkmoon 269 and All I Want Is You.

And it's very telling that the latter is a holdover from The Joshua Tree and the former a precursor to Achtung Baby!

When you say you hated "this phase", are you referring to The Joshua Tree as well? Or do you mean that "Americana" transitional period between Joshua and Achtung.
post #4 of 18
I saw U2 at the beginning of The Joshua Tree tour. Indoor arena, waiting for the show to start, house lights all up, piped music playing over loudspeakers. Stand By Me was the year before, so that song was getting a lot of play, and was one of the songs being piped in over the PA. The crowd just kind of started singing along, until the whole place is singing along to the Ben E. King recording. With the house lights still up, the band wandered out and joined in the sing along. It felt spontaneous and genuine. It was a really nice moment.

I saw them again at the end of the tour, this time at a stadium, and it was a completely different band. Dramatic, self-serious in a cartoonish way, big light show. They had turned into rock stars during the course of the tour. It took them about four years to come up with an approach to the cartoonish rock star thing that I was on board with.
post #5 of 18
I'm actually going to completely disagree with you two about Silver and Gold, I LOVE the "Alright Edge, play the blues" moment. I don't think the Edge is physically capable of playing what we call the blues, I don't even think he's ever bent a string in his life. But that helicopter noise (which, I do say is an accurate description) was how he played the blues. Still is. While I haven't liked a bit of their output since Achtung, I always have had respect for Edge as a musician who found a method and a technique that hadn't been played to death yet, and turned it into a signature sound. That rhythmic, pounding, delay soaked chord attack sounded like the angry musical reaction of a guy who grew up with the IRA and the government raging war in his country 24/7.

I think that points to why I still loved this version of U2, that, despite their success blowing up, they were still hungry and angry. That last little bit of Boy and War still seemed to be glinting. "Fuck The Revolution" rang true, because there was a revolution occurring that still pissed the whole band off.
post #6 of 18
I hear you, and I loved the band's earnestness up to that point, but Rattle and Hum for me was when it started ringing hollow, even if their hearts were in the right place. I wish Bono never put on a cowboy hat.

Oh, and these two killed me back when:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUPgqnc0Zc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2X8zPYhNag
post #7 of 18
I love the music* that came from RATTLE & HUM, but found the actual film lacking quite a bit. Erix's comment about sacrificing depth by trying to be both documentary and concert film is, I think, spot on; none of the non-concert pieces were particularly illuminating or even all that fun to watch. And too much of the music was interrupted or presented in an odd form.

I was a bit aghast when we never actually saw the entire saw of "When Love Came to Town," given how much time they spend showing the band working with BB King.



*Desire. Hawkmoon 269. When Love Came to Town. Van Dieman's Land (though the Edge's singing voice sounds hilariously like John Denver). The live version of Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For. And All I Want Is You - this song, this perfect, fucking, heartbreaking song.
post #8 of 18
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I think Edge has a great singing voice. Wish he'd do it more often. When I saw them in Chile during the Popmart tour, he did a solo, acoustic version of Sunday Bloody Sunday that made me weep like a little girl.

I love Van Diemen's Land. It's my favorite song on the album (my previous post where I say "the only good songs" is inaccurate... I meant "the standout songs") I keep bugging these friends of mine in a U2 tribute band to let me go on stage one night and do it. They have a show this weekend. Perhaps.... Perhaps...

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It took them about four years to come up with an approach to the cartoonish rock star thing that I was on board with.
You're referring to Bono basically making fun of himself throughout the Zooropa tour, right?

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I always have had respect for Edge as a musician who found a method and a technique that hadn't been played to death yet, and turned it into a signature sound.
Oh absolutely. The Edge was a huge influence on my band's guitarist and, to this day, she always has to throw in a little delay here and there to feel satisfied. It's driving her crazy now that she's in a Goth metal band and can't really find an approach to using it that is comfortable.
post #9 of 18
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You're referring to Bono basically making fun of himself throughout the Zooropa tour, right?
More around Achtung Baby/Zoo TV tour.
post #10 of 18
Yeah, I'll throw my hat in disagreeing about Silver and Gold. It's U2 at their best and at their silliest. It works so well in context of the film; a movie about rock stars who both embrace and are slightly ashamed of rock star trappings.
post #11 of 18
Despite being a bit of a scattershot mess, Rattle and Hum remains one of my favorite U2 albums, and the movie has an weirdly self-conscious and simultaneously off-the-cuff feel that contrasts nicely with the pomposity that was beginning to overtake the band (not entirely, though: I love the way Bono undercuts his earnestness by capping off his lecture about South Africa with "I don't wanna bug ya").

My last U2 show was just before this, the Unforgettable Fire tour, and you could already feel them transitioning to the kind of self-importance that Phil alludes to, compared to just a couple of years before; I think Live Aid is really where it starts to gell, for better or worse.

In a way, I think that one reason I enjoy No Line On The Horizon so much is that, in its own way, it feels nearly as rough-hewn as R & H.
post #12 of 18
I guess I'll be the one lonely voice speaking up for "Angel of Harlem."

I remember seeing this when it came out and wondering just what it was trying to be. Not enough concert to be a concert film, not enough documentary to be a documentary. And it seemed more that Bono was trying to place himself in the ranks of Elvis and BB King and the Sun Records stable than paying homage to them. It came across as a little indulgent.
post #13 of 18
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I guess I'll be the one lonely voice speaking up for "Angel of Harlem."
I don't like it for two reasons: 1) it was overplayed as hell on the radio here and 2) for me, it's just a "blah" song; no emotional hook or catchiness. YMMV, of course. (I happen to like "God, Part 2," so take my view for what it's worth.)

I think "Desire" has aged well and is better than first thought. Like "Vertigo," it's a short, catchy pop-rock single, but with some really great lyrics and actual ideas behind them.

And Erix, despite my ribbing re: Edge's voice, I think "Van Dieman's Land" is also just a great song. Stark, bleak, and unironically heartfelt.
post #14 of 18
I never understood how you could have a non-ironic Graceland sequence in a rock band documentary like in Rattle & Hum just four short years after This Is Spinal Tap so perfectly parodied that exact type of musical pretension.
post #15 of 18
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More around Achtung Baby/Zoo TV tour.
That's what I meant. I said Zooropa tour. It's a Freudian slip. Because, I know that they toured to promote an "album" called Zooropa. But I've always disliked that album. It doesn't gel as an album. It feels like B-Sides from Achtung Baby! thrown together in the pretense of making an album.

Lemon is particularly insufferable. Though it ended up growing on me over time.

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I think "Desire" has aged well and is better than first thought. Like "Vertigo," it's a short, catchy pop-rock single, but with some really great lyrics and actual ideas behind them.
Totally agree with you. I've come to really love it over time. And I always sing along when it comes on.

My appreciation of it, in fact, made me kind of dislike its rather off-the-cuff presentation in the film. As opposed to how it sounds on the album. And in the obnoxious video where Bono displays his hairy chest so we can all get hard-ons.

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I never understood how you could have a non-ironic Graceland sequence in a rock band documentary like in Rattle & Hum just four short years after This Is Spinal Tap so perfectly parodied that exact type of musical pretension.
The thing is... The sequence is actually kind of funny and entertaining at first. The moment when Bono is trying to convince the tour guide to let Larry sit on the Harley is cute. And you get the sense that the sequence is meant as a wink. Here's your rock idols having some fun.... Then, they cut to Larry moping about Elvis' grave and I have no doubt that he meant every word. But it still comes off as schmaltzy as hell and inappropriate.
post #16 of 18
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But it still comes off as schmaltzy as hell and inappropriate.
I seriously keep waiting for them all to break into a badly harmonised rendition of Heartbreak Hotel.
post #17 of 18
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That's what I meant. I said Zooropa tour. It's a Freudian slip. Because, I know that they toured to promote an "album" called Zooropa. But I've always disliked that album.
But certainly Zooropa's more the tour where he was "making fun of himself", no?



Of my Zoo TV tour experience at Yankee Stadium, I mainly remember it today for the Asian kid behind me loudly and phonetically singing along to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For", immortalized that evening as "BOOEEE STEEEE HAVA FAAAAH WAH-EEE-YOOOKEEEE FAAAAAAW!"
post #18 of 18
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Sigged Phil. Couldn't help myself.
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