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post #1 of 85
11/24/10 at 2:50pm
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Before your Holiday break, brush up on the superhero rumor-mongering.


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post #2 of 85
11/24/10 at 2:56pm
Ugh, CGI stuff sounds terrible.

Not thrilled about Matthew Goode, but Anne Hathaway sounds great.
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post #3 of 85
11/24/10 at 2:59pm
Veidt? Fuck that noise.
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post #4 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:01pm
Yes on Hathaway. No on Goode. And I'm one of the people that liked him in Watchmen.
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post #5 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:05pm
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Matthew Goode is rumored as a Clark Kent contender.
Noooooooooooooooooooooo.

Oh, but wait, it gets fucking worse:

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100% CGI suit approach, a la Green Lantern is supposedly being considered.
Surely not. What's the point?
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post #6 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:07pm
The only thing there that sounds like vaguely good news is Anne Hathaway. The rest of it can go fuck itself.
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post #7 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:07pm
Odd to imagine someone who read for Bilbo Baggins would also be up for Supes. People like Hammer would be solid if picked, but I think they'll continue the tradition of casting an unknown American actor in the role.
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post #8 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:07pm
It seems odd to get a Lois Lane that would act rings around their choice for Clark Kent.

The CGI suit sounds terrible, in theory at least.
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post #9 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:15pm
Wasn't there some noise a while back that Superman himself would be CGI, while Clark Kent could be played by interchangeable actors if need be? I'm not saying it's a good idea, mind you.

Hathaway's a neat choice.
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post #10 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:20pm
Item: Nathan Lane rumored to play Lois's dad.
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post #11 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:21pm
CG's never been a weak point for Snyder. That's not even a concern.
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post #12 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:30pm
I liked Goode as Veidt but as Superman? That's worse than Nic Cage. I want Slab Bulkhead not Aryan McSkinnylegs.
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post #13 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:35pm
I've always felt an Alex Ross-esque meathead is the wrong way to go too (Well, not all the Ross iterations are like that, but you get my gist).

I've always preferred someone with an average yet muscular build ala Routh or Reeve. I mean, he has super powers, why does he need a bodybuilder's physique as well?

I think having a slightly tamed down muscular build helps highlight his powers.
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post #14 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:36pm
I have a weird feeling that they're looking to have two people playing Superman; one playing Clark, the other playing Superman. Or, like the article suggests, going all CG with Superman. Why? Because the only way I could see Nolan's mind rationalizing Superman's secret identity would be if he looked nothing like Clark Kent.
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post #15 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:36pm
Item: CGI glasses for Kent.
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post #16 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:39pm
I'm just glad they're paying homage to the history of the character and having the Spin Doctors provide the entire soundtrack.
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post #17 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:39pm
Routh and Reeve weren't average builds. They were both pretty thick when playing Supes.
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post #18 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:41pm
Goode is a fine actor, but his performance as Veidt was misguided because his director is terrible with actors and had nary an original idea of his own to contribute. If it wasn't for that combo, I probably wouldn't mind him as Superman, but history repeating and all that...

I like Hathaway as Lane though, that would work for me.
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post #19 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:42pm
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I have a weird feeling that they're looking to have two people playing Superman; one playing Clark, the other playing Superman. Or, like the article suggests, going all CG with Superman. Why? Because the only way I could see Nolan's mind rationalizing Superman's secret identity would be if he looked nothing like Clark Kent.
How about just making a goddamn Superman movie? I don't need winking explanations as to why no one's ever put two and two together and pegged Clark as Superman, I don't need some real-world explanation as to why he has super powers, I don't need him updated for whatever generation we're on now. I just need a guy with a big red S on his chest being heroic.
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post #20 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:46pm
Isn't that what they did with SUPERMAN RETURNS?
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post #21 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post
I have a weird feeling that they're looking to have two people playing Superman; one playing Clark, the other playing Superman. Or, like the article suggests, going all CG with Superman. Why? Because the only way I could see Nolan's mind rationalizing Superman's secret identity would be if he looked nothing like Clark Kent.
It would be odd to see this on screen, but in All-Star Superman, Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly made a show of the transformation being somewhat physical. It could be like certain cinematic versions of Jekyll and Hyde where most of the makeup is reserved for the character of Jekyll and minimized for Hyde.
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post #22 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:52pm
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I've always felt an Alex Ross-esque meathead is the wrong way to go too (Well, not all the Ross iterations are like that, but you get my gist).

I've always preferred someone with an average yet muscular build ala Routh or Reeve. I mean, he has super powers, why does he need a bodybuilder's physique as well?

I think having a slightly tamed down muscular build helps highlight his powers.
I agree with this. I mean, how does a dude with virtually unlimited strength and energy pack on the muscles anyways? Kryptoroids?
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post #23 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Routh and Reeve weren't average builds. They were both pretty thick when playing Supes.
Sure, but their builds were sturdy, liked they grew up on a farm hauling hay. They didn't look like ripped gym physique's, but real.
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post #24 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post
It would be odd to see this on screen, but in All-Star Superman, Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly made a show of the transformation being somewhat physical. It could be like certain cinematic versions of Jekyll and Hyde where most of the makeup is reserved for the character of Jekyll and minimized for Hyde.
Christopher Reeve did a great job making Clark and Superman different, right down to tone of voice.
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post #25 of 85
11/24/10 at 3:58pm
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Sure, but their builds were sturdy, liked they grew up on a farm hauling hay. They didn't look like ripped gym physique's, but real.
No, and I certainly never wanted him to a gym rat but he does need to be built like a farm-boy at the very least. Cage and Goode aren't built like that.
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post #26 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:00pm
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Christopher Reeve did a great job making Clark and Superman different, right down to tone of voice.
Yes, but the version I mention takes it a step further, and would require makeup/digital manipulation to work on screen. I'm neither against it or for it, just saying for the sake of discussion.
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post #27 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:01pm
Goode can work out. Isn't he good in other shit?

Really having trouble seeing that whole CGI Superman thing, but that's probably why I'm not a filmmaker. (Trying for optimism!)

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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration View Post
If history repeats itself, the CG files for the new Superman figure will eventually end up corrupted or deleted.
Took me nine months to get this joke, but I'm still apparently the first. Nicely done.

Also from that thread was an idea I forgot and unknowingly stole in a more recent thread. Sorry, Mattioli.
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post #28 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:16pm
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It seems odd to get a Lois Lane that would act rings around their choice for Clark Kent.
See Lois and Clark and Smallville, where both takes on the character are better than Clark.

Hell on Smallville, everyone else* can act circles around Tom Welling. Both Zod and Doomsday were better actors.

*Well except that Lana.
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post #29 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:18pm
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Goode can work out. Isn't he good in other shit?
Not really. I haven't seen A Single Man but he's merely okay in Brideshead and not memorable in Match Point.

As for working out, his frame is wrong. He'd end up looking like Will Smith did in Ali, which is not how I picture Superman. He's more of a barrel-chested, late nineteenth century strongman look.
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post #30 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:20pm
A CGI suit and a full CGI Superman for action scenes sounds awful. That stuff does not age well at all. If you're going that far why not make it animated?
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post #31 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:29pm
I'm just pissed that this sounds like an origin story. Again.
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post #32 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
I liked Goode as Veidt but as Superman? That's worse than Nic Cage. I want Slab Bulkhead not Aryan McSkinnylegs.
You don't want this as Superman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8
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post #33 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:35pm
What's Playing? Movie Newz? Ain't it grand how these rumours always come from sites you've never heard of?
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post #34 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:36pm
i smell a trainwreck
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post #35 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:36pm
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I'm just pissed that this sounds like an origin story. Again.
Seconded. The description sounds like CLARK KENT BEGINS, not an all-new Superman story. Unless they're doing something radically different with the origin, we should just jump in, in media res.
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post #36 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes View Post
Ugh, CGI stuff sounds terrible.

Not thrilled about Matthew Goode, but Anne Hathaway sounds great.
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
The only thing there that sounds like vaguely good news is Anne Hathaway. The rest of it can go fuck itself.
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Originally Posted by TheMantis View Post
A CGI suit and a full CGI Superman for action scenes sounds awful. That stuff does not age well at all. If you're going that far why not make it animated?
This ^. All of it.
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CG's never been a weak point for Snyder. That's not even a concern.
Sure, but what's the point?
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
How about just making a goddamn Superman movie? I don't need winking explanations as to why no one's ever put two and two together and pegged Clark as Superman, I don't need some real-world explanation as to why he has super powers, I don't need him updated for whatever generation we're on now. I just need a guy with a big red S on his chest being heroic.
Exactly.
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Isn't that what they did with SUPERMAN RETURNS?
More like mopey and creepy.
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post #37 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:48pm
"Lifting things" does not equal "being heroic" in my book.

EDIT: Let me say that the part in Returns where he lifts the island and falls to Earth would have been dynamite had it been preceded by some kind of actual fight.
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post #38 of 85
11/24/10 at 4:52pm
Nothing in this story makes me want to see the movie. Not even Anne Hathaway as Lois. I hate Smallvillie with a passion however Erica Durance is the perfect Lois.
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post #39 of 85
11/24/10 at 7:43pm
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The only thing there that sounds like vaguely good news is Anne Hathaway. The rest of it can go fuck itself.
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post #40 of 85
11/24/10 at 7:50pm
*clears throat, steps forward*

If the Hathaway rumors are true, then the Dark Knight won't be the only superhero that ri...with a ris...That has a...with the rises. That rises. Is risen.

Fuck, it's not working
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post #41 of 85
11/24/10 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by TheMantis View Post
A CGI suit and a full CGI Superman for action scenes sounds awful. That stuff does not age well at all. If you're going that far why not make it animated?
I would go for that in a heartbeat. Superman is perfect for animation. I don't know why more superhero properties aren't exploring that option. Well, outside of the direct-to-video market, which is basically treated as ancillary marketing.
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post #42 of 85
11/24/10 at 8:13pm
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I would go for that in a heartbeat. Superman is perfect for animation. I don't know why more superhero properties aren't exploring that option. Well, outside of the direct-to-video market, which is basically treated as ancillary marketing.
Ironic considering I still believe the greatest and most successful iteration of DC's characters have been animated.
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post #43 of 85
11/24/10 at 8:16pm
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Ironic considering I still believe the greatest and most successful iteration of DC's characters have been animated.
Absolutely. While Warners has been sitting on its thumbs with these properties, their animation department has been going above and beyond. Maybe they should be giving these people a shot at the big leagues.
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post #44 of 85
11/24/10 at 8:55pm
Joe Manganiello is my favorite "rumored" Superman. Looks the part, and is a decent actor.
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post #45 of 85
11/24/10 at 9:10pm
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Absolutely. While Warners has been sitting on its thumbs with these properties, their animation department has been going above and beyond. Maybe they should be giving these people a shot at the big leagues.
Why Warners don't realise what they already have and essentially just adapt the Timmverse to film is beyond me frankly.
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post #46 of 85
11/24/10 at 9:10pm
I'd like to still hold out hope that there is another Brandon Routh out there. An unknown who can make the role his own. With that said, if they decide to cast a somewhat already well known actor, Matthew Goode would be a... good (enough) choice*. He was strong in Cemetery Junction, and has a creepiness and coldness to him that might work well for a Nolan Superman, assuming Nolan want's to spotlight Superman's otherness and the remove at which he views humanity

Hathaway is one of my favorite actresses working today, and I wish her great success for her career. She'd no doubt make an excellent Ms Lane, and I hope she gets her chance to prove that to the world

CGI suit. awful idea. Unless you're doing a mocap Chris Reeve or something, there is no reason. Just make a practical suit. The material the one in SMR was made from looked cool enough, IMHO

*Hat tip to Mr Fleed
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post #47 of 85
11/24/10 at 9:29pm
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Matthew Goode would be a... good (enough) choice*. He was strong in Cemetery Junction, and has a creepiness and coldness to him that might work well for a Nolan Superman, assuming Nolan want's to spotlight Superman's otherness and the remove at which he views humanity.
I'm not a big comics fan, but I'm pretty sure Superman wasn't, historically, cold and creepy. I always thought Superman was the all-American posterboy (along with Captain America, I guess). I thought he was empathetic towards mankind, not cold; that's why he stays and helps us.

I just don't understand why they can't put together an epic kick-ass Superman movie that jumps straight in with Superman being Superman (maybe they will, and the rumours are wrong). Everyone knows who Superman is, just give him a strong villain and let rip. No-one needs another origin story.
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post #48 of 85
11/24/10 at 9:34pm
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I'm not a big comics fan, but I'm pretty sure Superman wasn't, historically, cold and creepy. I always thought Superman was the all-American posterboy (along with Captain America, I guess). I thought he was empathetic towards mankind, not cold; that's why he stays and helps us.

I just don't understand why they can't put together an epic kick-ass Superman movie that jumps straight in with Superman being Superman (maybe they will, and the rumours are wrong). Everyone knows who Superman is, just give him a strong villain and let rip. No-one needs another origin story.
You are correct, I am just saying that Goode being cast might be an indication Nolan wants a cold alien Superman, which Goode would excel at IMHO
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post #49 of 85
11/24/10 at 9:41pm
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You are correct, I am just saying that Goode being cast might be an indication Nolan wants a cold alien Superman, which Goode would excel at IMHO
Yep, I got that.
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post #50 of 85
11/24/10 at 9:58pm
The sad part is, if they wind up giving people a Superman they didn't want to see, again, and it fails, again, they're going to wind up coming to the conclusion that Superman himself isn't popular or viable. Again.

If somebody would just do the character properly, we wouldn't have to keep doing this dance.
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