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post #51 of 85
11/24/10 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Absolutely. While Warners has been sitting on its thumbs with these properties, their animation department has been going above and beyond. Maybe they should be giving these people a shot at the big leagues.
I've been saying this in other threads for months! WB needs to hire Bruce Timm as their "Kevin Feige". WB Animation has been spinning gold for almost 20 years & Timm's been the guiding force behind most of it.

I recently bought the JLU: Complete Series & am consistently astonished how smart, engrossingly well written, & action packed many of the episodes are. If WB brought this same quality to their live-action properties, they'd be making money hand over fist.
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post #52 of 85
11/24/10 at 10:22pm
Hathaway as Lois Lane sounds good. But Goode and a CGI suit sound bad. Especially the CGI suit.

And I've been sounding the animation horn for a while. Just do it traditional animation or even do it CGI like a Pixar movie.
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post #53 of 85
11/24/10 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post
I've been saying this in other threads for months! WB needs to hire Bruce Timm as their "Kevin Feige". WB Animation has been spinning gold for almost 20 years & Timm's been the guiding force behind most of it.

I recently bought the JLU: Complete Series & am consistently astonished how smart, engrossingly well written, & action packed many of the episodes are. If WB brought this same quality to their live-action properties, they'd be making money hand over fist.
Dwayne McDuffie should run a live-action Question series on TV. The Question was awesome on JLU.
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post #54 of 85
11/24/10 at 10:51pm
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Dwayne McDuffie should run a live-action Question series on TV. The Question was awesome on JLU.
I didn't really get the allure of The Question until I saw the way JLU handled him, now he's a bit of a favourite of mine.

Hard thing is, how do you do a TV series starring a character with no face?
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post #55 of 85
11/24/10 at 11:09pm
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I didn't really get the allure of The Question until I saw the way JLU handled him, now he's a bit of a favourite of mine.

Hard thing is, how do you do a TV series starring a character with no face?
Funny thing is, conspiracy theorist Question is a departure from the comics where he was either a Steve Ditko Objectivist or a Zen Ninja.

So, transforming him into Fox Mulder on speed with ninja skills was awesome. Vic Sage has a face, he just doesn't when he's The Question.

The Question's Greatest Scenes on JLU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gh3fdkF0yo
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post #56 of 85
11/25/10 at 7:09am
Lotsa unnecessary Goode bashing in here.
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post #57 of 85
11/25/10 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post
Lotsa unnecessary Goode bashing in here.
This reminds me of the report of Goode skipping the premiere of WATCHMEN in the states or in the UK (can't remember which) because he was upset about the fan criticism of his portrayal of Veidt. If his being under consideration for Superman is true, he'd only be subjecting himself to the type of criticism he's obviously very sensitive about.

Depending on the Goyer/Nolan/Snyder vision of who Superman is as a character, I'd be up for seeing Goode in the role. Though I'm sure certain nitwits with no understanding of acting or irony would shit bricks over an Englishman being cast in the role.
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post #58 of 85
11/25/10 at 3:25pm
A friend sent me an email about this film, and he was banging the Dark Knight drum pretty loudly in 2008. He's got some definite ideas about what a Superman film NEEDS to be; brings up interesting points that I don't know if I agree with, but ones I haven't heard anyone else discussing:

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A new Superman film needs to be a smart, compelling propaganda piece with a redemptive arc for Superman and America. You know, along the way Superman inspires ordinary people to step up and do the right thing.

Remember when the New Yorkers began throwing stuff at Raimi's Green Goblin? And when the tugboat captain yelled up to Spider-Man? Or the people on the elevated train in Raimi's second Spider-Man? That stuff made me tear up it was so wonderful. And Spider-Man's a whiny teenager, not really a character that inspires truth and justice.

One time at a boring journalism conference I ended up in the audience for a speech by syndicated columnist Dave Green...shittiest/luckiest feature writer in history. He bragged on an Esquire assignment to profile Muhammed Ali, before the Parkinson's disease devastated him. Ali had pointed out a plane window at houses and talked about everyone in the country knowing him and how he could walk up to any front door and the people would welcome him inside their homes. Weird story made an impression on me -- if Ali showed up at my front door, what wouldn't I do to help the guy?

Now imagine Superman knocked out of the sky. What would people to do help him? To help America?

I honestly think the first Reeve movie made people feel better about America. Jimmy Carter was president and patriotism was a dirty word. Now that Jimmy Carter II is in office apologizing for America and promoting Socialism, an inspirational Superman movie is more important than ever.

"American exceptionalism" is real, it's a byproduct of the US Constitution. Superman is the embodiment of that exceptionalism and all American virtues. Allegorically, America is a force for goodness. Yeah, the country's done stupid and bad things, but the good it's done for the world certainly outweighs the stupid and bad.

Americans are drunk with prosperity and themselves don't or can't appreciate the goodness of this country. Superman should inspire people to better, remind them of the obligations of being an American. Remind Americans we have more in common than not.

What I wouldn't give to spitball the idea for a Superman movie with William Goldman. He's the guy who'd understand all the conceptual obligations. The brothers who gave us "Dark Knight" ? Not so much.
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post #59 of 85
11/25/10 at 3:46pm
There's some interesting ideas there, but I'm not sure I can get behind the guy's politics. Anytime I hear the words "American exceptionalism" I do a little cringe'n'shiver. There's got to be a way to do Superman right that doesn't involve playing into seriously outmoded political ideologies.
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post #60 of 85
11/25/10 at 3:48pm
Can't he just fight some jewel thieving robots or a thawed dinosaur?
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post #61 of 85
11/25/10 at 4:05pm
Yeah, screw what America needs, just make a good movie.
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post #62 of 85
11/25/10 at 4:11pm
I fail to see why a superman movie can't be set in some kind of 'nether-forties' and have stuff like this:
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post #63 of 85
11/25/10 at 5:07pm
The movie's still got to have a theme, guys. Every good movie does. You could do a lot worse than the one Phil's friend laid out. You may not notice thematic intent in a movie, but you'd miss it if it weren't there. It would result in a meaningless piece of crap. If the movie is nothing but robot punching, and no theme, you're not going to like it as much as you think you would.

And while American exceptionalism may seem dated, quaint or even offensive in this day and age, the fact remains that that really is what Superman is all about. And a lot of the classic superheroes, for that matter.
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post #64 of 85
11/25/10 at 5:40pm
Superman also represents the immigrant legend, the sun king myth, selfless thoes, pure Samaritanism, etc, etc. Themes that are more interesting and less problematic than a USA #1 attitude. Excepting the Christ allegory. That's right at the bottom of the barrel.
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post #65 of 85
11/25/10 at 5:42pm
Yeah, the "American Exceptionalism" stuff didn't get read into the character until the cold war, really.
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post #66 of 85
11/25/10 at 5:47pm
I would say that unrequited love is one of the strongest (if not the strongest) original element of Superman, since it's the most blatant from issue numero uno. Siegel and Shuster couldn't get laid in a morgue when they were youngsters, and all of that frustration and heartache went into the creation of Lois Lane, an amalgam of every girl that wouldn't have anything to do with them. Having the secret out and the relationship consummated pretty much killed that in the comics.
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post #67 of 85
11/25/10 at 6:28pm
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Depending on the Goyer/Nolan/Snyder vision of who Superman is as a character, I'd be up for seeing Goode in the role. Though I'm sure certain nitwits with no understanding of acting or irony would shit bricks over an Englishman being cast in the role.
I don't care if he's English, Thai, or Swahili. I think Goode's too slight for the role.
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post #68 of 85
11/25/10 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
I don't care if he's English, Thai, or Swahili. I think Goode's too slight for the role.
The pencil neck is maybe a problem, but having seen pictures of him shirtless, he's definitely cut and broad shouldered enough, and could easily get bigger I think.
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post #69 of 85
11/25/10 at 6:58pm
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There's some interesting ideas there, but I'm not sure I can get behind the guy's politics. Anytime I hear the words "American exceptionalism" I do a little cringe'n'shiver. There's got to be a way to do Superman right that doesn't involve playing into seriously outmoded political ideologies.
Totally agree. And following Phil's friend ideas, why Supes couldn't be an example for all the humanity?

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And while American exceptionalism may seem dated, quaint or even offensive in this day and age, the fact remains that that really is what Superman is all about. And a lot of the classic superheroes, for that matter.
Couldn't find a quote for this but wikipedia is dead on Morrison JLA run...where Superman is one of the bosses:

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Morrison introduced the idea of the JLA allegorically representing a pantheon of gods, with their different powers and personalities, incorporating such characters
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Superman also represents the immigrant legend, the sun king myth, selfless thoes, pure Samaritanism, etc, etc.
I prefer these ones instead of "Go America Go"
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post #70 of 85
11/25/10 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
If the movie is nothing but robot punching, and no theme, you're not going to like it as much as you think you would.
Well, I'm not an idiot. I understand the importance of themes in films. So thanks for being condescending. But in all honestly, I really would like alot more robot battles. And Robots that thieve jewels. Also, capes that repel lava/molten metal.
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post #71 of 85
11/25/10 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by themykra View Post
Well, I'm not an idiot. I understand the importance of themes in films. So thanks for being condescending. But in all honestly, I really would like alot more robot battles. And Robots that thieve jewels. Also, capes that repel lava/molten metal.
That's not Greg being condescending.
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post #72 of 85
11/25/10 at 8:00pm
As a member of Team Routh, the Matthew Goode rumor is the first thing I've heard about the reboot that generates any sort of intrigue. Sure, he sucked as Ozy but, given a significant muscle mass gain, I think Goode has the.. ahem.. "goods" to pull off a "Daniel Craig" & surprise everyone.

The real thing to worry about is Snyder's Uwe Boll-like inability to direct actors. How he could've said, "Cut! Print! That's the one!" to some of the performances in Watchmen is baffling.
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post #73 of 85
11/25/10 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
A friend sent me an email about this film, and he was banging the Dark Knight drum pretty loudly in 2008. He's got some definite ideas about what a Superman film NEEDS to be; brings up interesting points that I don't know if I agree with, but ones I haven't heard anyone else discussing:
Your friend has a weird interpretation of current and past events.
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post #74 of 85
11/25/10 at 8:47pm
Pretty much since this movie was announced I've been fan casting Anne Hathaway as Louis Lane in my head, so THAT rumour I'm happy about but the rest...not so much. I haven't seen Goode in enough things to say if he's right for this but I liked him well enough in Watchmen so we'll see, I'm just confused as to why they feel the need to redo the origin story. I mean you could probably walk up to any Average Joe or Jane on the street and they'll tell you Superman's origin story so what's the point? And the CGI suit...ugh please no.

Also...first post! Woo!
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post #75 of 85
11/25/10 at 11:59pm
A Superman film could easily be about human exceptionalism rather than just American. Hell, look at Jor-El's speech from the first film: "They can be a great people, Kal-El. They wish to be." And look at how puzzled Zod and company are in the second film at how someone who could easily lord over the entire planet instead chooses to protect it. Not that I want Superman to suddenly go all David Tennant Doctor in his admiration for the human race, but there's certainly something there that could be explored.
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post #76 of 85
11/26/10 at 12:07am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
A Superman film could easily be about human exceptionalism rather than just American. Hell, look at Jor-El's speech from the first film: "They can be a great people, Kal-El. They wish to be." And look at how puzzled Zod and company are in the second film at how someone who could easily lord over the entire planet instead chooses to protect it. Not that I want Superman to suddenly go all David Tennant Doctor in his admiration for the human race, but there's certainly something there that could be explored.
Exactly. Phils mates ideas are all wrong even for a modern day Captain America, let alone Superman.
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post #77 of 85
11/26/10 at 12:13am
Yeah, human exceptionalism is a much better take on Superman, and probably closer to its original intent.
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post #78 of 85
11/26/10 at 12:14am
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Your friend has a weird interpretation of current and past events.
It was honestly one of the first things I read that seemed to have anything new to say about what the point of a new Superman film would or should be (I sort of fall into the camp of "I don't think people care about a Superman film anymore"). Just thought it'd be something more interesting to dig into than yet another round of grown men discussing the physiques of various attractive leading men.

"Inspiring people to do the right thing" was one of the central points of Nolan's take on Batman. This isn't all that different, but while Batman was trying to give a symbol to a city, Superman's always going to be bigger than just the champion of Metropolis. On top of all that, there's the Michael Caine quote about “Superman is how America views itself. Batman is how the rest of the world views America.” I'm curious to see if the Nolans and Goyer are of a similar mindset, and what kind of Superman film might come from that point of view.
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post #79 of 85
11/26/10 at 12:20am
Wasn't there a take in the comics at one point where Superman was actually hindering human development because they were coming to rely on him to fix all their problems?
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post #80 of 85
11/26/10 at 12:22am
I just think you could go a lot broader with Superman than just making comment about America. The whole reason the character resonates around the world like he does is that he has direct echoes of the very classical mythological idea of 'the god that walks among men'.

He's the modern Theseus, Perseus, Heracles, Cuchulain or Gilgamesh.

The themes that make him resonate are far more universal and interesting than simply "teaching America how to be awesome again"

Not knocking your friend Phil, because it's an interesting take, I just think the scope needs to be broader is all.
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post #81 of 85
11/26/10 at 12:33am
I'm not taking it personally. We butt heads politically and disagree on most shit. I just thought he had some interesting points to chew on there.
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post #82 of 85
11/26/10 at 12:46am
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I'm not taking it personally. We butt heads politically and disagree on most shit. I just thought he had some interesting points to chew on there.
Honestly I think he does, just in a broader 'all of humanity' kind of context.

Superman is meant to be the best of us. It's kinda right there in the name.
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post #83 of 85
11/26/10 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by Billy Youngblood View Post
Yeah, human exceptionalism is a much better take on Superman, and probably closer to its original intent.
Actually, the original intent was mostly about defending the little guy against the corrupt and powerful. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see that make a comeback right now.
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post #84 of 85
11/26/10 at 7:21am
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Actually, the original intent was mostly about defending the little guy against the corrupt and powerful. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see that make a comeback right now.
I'd be up for that most definitely. The original 'with GREAT power comes GREAT responsibility'
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post #85 of 85
11/26/10 at 8:01am
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Actually, the original intent was mostly about defending the little guy against the corrupt and powerful. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see that make a comeback right now.
Hell, in today's political and economical climate I think this would be very welcome. I don't really need to see Superman punching corrupt politicians and businessman but I think alot of people would enjoy escaping to a world where this all powerful entity is able to right the wrongs of your life. Superman has always been a shining example of what all humans (not just americans) should try to be. If the movie were able to celebrate this standard that Supes holds himself I admit I'll enjoy it most likely.
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