Miley is now 18 - Page 2

Exactly. ACTING on an attraction to a (state-by-state designated) underage girl is the creepy part. But now of course I'm probably gonna be accused of defending pedophiles or something.

Jerry Lee Lewis liked them 13 years or older.

R. Kelly might've pissed on Poltergeist chick. But, that's just nasty.

If there's anything offensive about this thread, it's the idea that Miley Cyrus is attractive.

Miley Cyrus has a certain style that some men find attractive. While she wouldn't be my first choice, I can appreciate a wealthy chick with daddy issues.

Read "Children of the Revolution" by Mark Greif. Great article in Harper's that was reprinted in Best American Essays. The idea is that the legal age of consent we set is purely arbitrary, but the more we sexualize and fetishize those under 18, the more likely it is that decent people will see the someone under that age an okay object of desire.

ETA: Don't know that I fully agree, but point of discussion.

Still wonder what NickP would say. And what if she's wearing Blue Jeans?

Ephebophilia is normal and not considered a common pathological state, WG. Nor is it named in the current DSM to my understanding.

For the record, I think most sexual fantasies would break some kind of social protocol if acted upon. My point of interest is the culture's strange way in which it chooses to process and display this kind of thing. It's perverse to me not because there's this huge difference between 16 and 18 (there isn't), but because of the totally fucking weird and masochistic thought crime aspect of it all.

Yeah seriously, I had to look it up. Attraction to adolescent boys and girls between the ages of 15 and 19 or in some cases 14-16? Tell it to Chris Hansen.

I'd like to think we can all agree that Ole' Billy Ray is the creepiest of all.

Why would fame make her exempt from such a thing? Shit happens. Add four or five measly years to the situation and you have Mariah Carey and Tommy Mottola.

I think if anything's "creepy" here, it's how a minor's sexuality was cultivated as a marketing strategy before she was legal. But on the other hand, that's more of a "disgusting thing becoming okay again" thing than a "new and disgusting thing." Elvis Presley (who bagged Priscilla when she was 14) and Jerry Lee Lewis weren't super-deviants whose behavior was unheard of. We're only a few decades into thinking the idea of child brides as creepy and fucked up. It IS, but it's been seen as so for less than a hundred years.

When you refer to the dead chick from Poltergeist, can you be more specific?

I don't think she was referring to Dominique Dunne (who would've been legal), she was trying to stretch for the Carol Anne connection.

I just wanted to make the "'dead chick from Poltergeist' wasn't specific enough" joke. Didn't check Ms. Dunne's age.

It's partially the fact I am in healthcare and partially being a degenerate. The rest is language. The wrong word is being thrown around by some posters.

Pedophilia is unnatural. Ephebophilia isn't. Attraction to "legal" forms of the human body is fine.

Here's where I have to disagree - and maybe it's because the vast majority of my exposure to Cyrus has been on Disney Channel and I never cared enough to pay attention outside of that - but I've been watching that kid on TV since she was 11, spent hundreds of dollars on merch with her face on it over the years and not once did I ever feel like her sexuality was being cultivated as a marketing strategy. She's a cute girl, but that's never what was being sold. Now, I'll concede that some of the things she's done outside of the Mouse House have been a little questionable, but I've always attributed that to having to make the (already inherently difficult) transition from girl to woman in a globally public spotlight.

All-in-all she's a good kid. She's in a really unique situation and some people are just more sexual than others by nature. I think that's where she falls, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Where I personally think the creepiness comes in, is in how our whole celebrigossip culture fetishized her (the same way they did the Olson Twins) and then tried to make HER the villain for making them fetishize her, simply because she hit puberty. I'm not defending Cyrus as an entertainer or an artist - her talent is definitely questionable and the second she's off my kid's TV (and walls and t-shirts) I'm done caring about her, but I guess I am kinda defending her as a person.

Not to your household; you're a dad. I get that, and I get the longevity of the career. I'm talking about the very-engineered stories that do revolve around her sexuality that make their way to me, a childless 40 year old. (To be fair, 75% of it is because of links Diva posts but still... :P ) For at least the last two years, she is being not-so-subtly shopped to adult consumers, and it's not been via Hannah Montana.

Real quick - let me state here I'm not judging her as a person or a performer; I'm talking about a management team with a very specific strategy. Speaking of...

I DO think her publicity machine is 100% complicit in that kind of stuff. It's smart business, but it's also kinda gross.

Really good point. 'Don't hate the player' and all that.

Right. Attractive people are attractive, there isn't some sort of switch turning this on and off at a set date. It's whether you act on it and the way you do so that makes you a creep. Thinking a 17 year old girl you see in the street is attractive isn't creepy. Finding only girls who are 17 years old attractive is. Trying to hook up with 17 year olds makes you both creepy and a criminal. More to the point, participating in a countdown to legality discussion, a meme as old as the internet and cracking jokes about it, is not creepy and it most certainly isn't some sort of evidence of a sexual dysfunction. At worst it's in poor taste. And that's it.

What's funny, I was dating a girl 1 year younger than me when I was 18. Guess I broke the law.

Not in Georgia you didn't. A spinster she was.

Funny or....RAPE?!

(pretty sure there's some kind of "2 year age difference" clause or something)

Hell, Romeo and Juliet were 16 and 13, and that's considered one of the greatest love stories ever told.

Adjusting for inflation that'd be like mid 30's now, though.

Hah, yeah legal is 16 here, but I worry about racial profiling, and the fact of it just being gross.

Funny as you get older, the age gap is just not that big of a factor (there is a 4 year gap, but she skipped a few grades). Fuck I swear the legal age in some countries is like 12 (I'm looking at you Mexico and mother country India).

Gotta love people claiming that it's creepy to be attracted to an 18 year old because 'it implies you were attracted to them at 17, 16, 15, 14?!?!?!?!?!?'. Yeah, by that logic, it's creepy to be attracted to a 40 year old because they used to be 2. Most people mature really fast in their teens, and although some teens look a lot older than they really are, most people can spot the difference between a 14 year old and an 18 year old.

The age of consent thing is so irrelevant to attraction and fantasy anyway. If someone from America checks out a 16 year old they're a pervert, but if I do it over here in the UK that's just fine? Because the law is different. I personally would feel weird acting on attraction to an under 18 even though it's legal because I know at that age I made loads of stupid, irresponsible mistakes and I don't wanna be some 16 year old's mistake that they wind up regretting - but I won't feel gross about it if I notice a girl is hot and then find out she's 'only' 17.

Miley Cyrus is pretty hot, IMO. If I was her size I'd probably never eat again, mind, but she carries it off pretty well. And she is hardly marketing herself as sweet and innocent, she's been dressing like an adult for a while now. No one here is going to get even close to fucking her so the rights and wrongs of that are totally irrelevant.

It's not necessarily the attraction to her that's the problem. If someone who is disposed to liking them young, they may begin looking for a real life replacement. Maturity becomes an issue as well. Someone who is not mature enough may wind up making a decision and get involved in a situation that is less than healthy.

And if 18 is okay, then maybe pushing to 17 is okay and so forth.

Huh? So anyone who's attracted to post-pubescent fully-developed teenagers is incapable of controlling their sexual urges? I don't get it.

Also, your last line is total bunk, as Cleo said. Then they'd push it 17 then 16 then 15 then 14 and OMG PAEDO

If it's immaturity turns you on, you're in luck. I can throw a rock right now and hit a half dozen incredibly immature 27 year olds. And they probably all know where the nearest Hot Topic is.

I was mainly talking about the 'Older' folks that are attracted to much younger girls.

And no, I'm not saying these people can't control their urges, but the Laws being discussed here are in place to protect against the ones that can't.

This man. Somebody buy this man a drink or an ice cream or something. I'm too far away to do it myself.

As others have pointed before it's the marketing on her that seems off too. An hour ago a simple google images threw as 5th result her posing "sexy" and it' an old one (I posted it on the Miley's thread and someone requested me to remove it...).

I should simply add immature 30 something year olds something isn't hard to find too.

I wasn't talking about age of consent laws, that's a very complicated subject to worry about another time. I just wouldn't lable someone as being sick/creepy or whatever for thinking about breaking the age of consent laws in their country seeing as they are so varied all over (for example - if a person from the UK has sex with a 16 year old legally, then goes to the USA and fantasizes about it, they suddenly become sick?).

If you want to argue age gaps, age of consent etc that's a separate issue and it's very complicated. What's simple is that if someone looks like an adult, dresses like an adult and obviously wants to be seen as a sexual person, thinking they're hot doesn't make you creepy and it certainly doesn't make you a pedophile. Finding a 'real life' version of your fantasy - well, as long as it's legal, consenting and not exploitative, that's probably fine too.

That idea blows.

Off topic, you could write better gems than the usual stuff below the pics at egotastic thesuperficial or even HuffPo.

So Miley's finally turned 18, Honestly who didn't see this coming? CALLED IT!

oh dear....

http://community.livejournal.com/ohn.../53910516.html

Well, that was fast.

See people? This is how you do creepy.

Selena Gomez upskirt shots in 5....4....3....

I'm honestly surprised the question hasn't popped up in this thread as to whether her being 18 makes the pictures and .gifs that were created prior to her becoming 18 legal.

According to the Moore's law applied to celebrities (Kardashian's law), the sooner they became famous the sooner a sex-tape pops out.

They aren't legal if they show her naked. Try to find Traci Lords videos that she made before she was 18.

So wouldn't the stolen purse pic be illegal?

That looks like she's pitching, rather than catching. I wonder who Miley's Inviso-Bitch is?

That "nude" pic is a fake, by the way.