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12/3/10 at 4:50pm
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post #2 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:02pm
To be fair, Dark Shadows has been a dream project of Depp's for a long time now so of course it would take priority.

I think people exaggerate when it comes to how many weird to normal characters he takes on. It's basically the same balance it's always been in his career. He's just popular with the mainstream now. He still has The Tourist and The Rum Diary coming out where he isn't playing "weird". Public Enemies last year wasn't a "weird" character either.
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post #3 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:02pm
I try to look at this way: no way can this set of films be as bad as the SW prequels. Right? RIGHT?

Really, though, my reaction is mostly "meh." I had a blast with the first film, unashamedly and unreservedly love DEAD MAN'S CHEST, and loathe AT WORLD'S END. If they can fix the problems they had with finishing up the first series, I'm on board to see what they do here.
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post #4 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:04pm
I feel the same way about you in regards to the initial trilogy, never understood the hate for the movies even if I did find At Worlds End incredibly overblown. In my view it's a trilogy with a great start, a fantastic middle and a kind of saggy, underwhelming, end bouyed by a collection of fantastic performances from truly great actors. That said, Pirates 4 just seems so unnecessary.
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post #5 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:05pm
I thought I was the only one who liked the Caribbean movies. I actually think Dead Man's Chest is better than Black Pearl.

And I've sort of given up on Johnny Depp doing anything interesting for a while. He's joined the ranks of Denzel Washington in that regard.
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post #6 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:07pm
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I thought I was the only one who liked the Caribbean movies. I actually think Dead Man's Chest is better than Black Pearl.
I'm with you on that. It's the series EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, as far as I'm concerned.
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post #7 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:12pm
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I thought I was the only one who liked the Caribbean movies. I actually think Dead Man's Chest is better than Black Pearl.

And I've sort of given up on Johnny Depp doing anything interesting for a while. He's joined the ranks of Denzel Washington in that regard.
Frank Lucas would like a word with you.
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post #8 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:16pm
Honestly, as discouraging as this news is, after I read this:

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I live with two pirate cosplayers
I realized that the rest of us are actually getting off pretty easy.
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post #9 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:29pm
If they take the time to actually construct a story and complete a script before shooting, I'm happy to plunk down some money to see another Pirates film or three. I like the actors, the set design, the costumes. . . but man, those stories just ramble all over the place and make no damned sense! I'm sure part of that (or maybe most of it) comes from starting production before there was a completed script.
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post #10 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:48pm
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To be fair, Dark Shadows has been a dream project of Depp's for a long time now so of course it would take priority.

I think people exaggerate when it comes to how many weird to normal characters he takes on. It's basically the same balance it's always been in his career. He's just popular with the mainstream now. He still has The Tourist and The Rum Diary coming out where he isn't playing "weird". Public Enemies last year wasn't a "weird" character either.
"The Tourist" may be one of the biggest pieces of evidence to date that he no longer knows how to play normal. Going by the trailer, nothing about it says "Schlubby guy taken in by temptress", it's "quirky Depp character taken for wild and crazy ride!"

"The Rum Diary" is still a big question mark as we haven't seen footage....

I don't want to seem as though I'm hating on Depp. I like him a lot, I think he's brilliant. But there's a line of crazy an actor eventually crosses, and he's getting awfully close.
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post #11 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:49pm
In hindsight, as much as I liked DMC, it and AWE would have been a lot better had they merely been individual Jack Sparrow adventures instead of trying to expand the mythology behind every last little detail mentioned in the first film. That's why I'm sort of hopeful about On Stranger Tides; it promises to simply be Jack and Barbossa and Blackbeard doing piratey things without the weight of having to continue or wrap up a trilogy. If the 5th and 6th films are done in the same vein with Sparrow as a piratey James Bond simply moving on to the next adventure, I'd be okay with that.
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post #12 of 52
12/3/10 at 5:49pm
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I realized that the rest of us are actually getting off pretty easy.
Hey, she still has Clint Eastwood.

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If the 5th and 6th films are done in the same vein with Sparrow as a piratey James Bond simply moving on to the next adventure, I'd be okay with that.
Doesn't the news of shooting as one film negate this possibility?
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post #13 of 52
12/3/10 at 6:27pm
DEAD MAN'S CHEST is great. AT WORLD'S END is a sprawling, unfocused mess, and I firmly believe the reason why is because the hectic schedule of making two movies back-to-back didn't give them enough time to script and shoot the damn thing properly.

Which means Disney is making the same mistake again.
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post #14 of 52
12/3/10 at 6:30pm
Jack Sparrow is going to end up being Depp's Inspector Clouseau, and I say that as someone who likes all the Pirate movies so far and is looking forward to the next one. At what point is he going to start feeling trapped into playing this character forever?
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post #15 of 52
12/3/10 at 6:45pm
$50 million dollars goes a long way to making you feel better about being trapped.
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post #16 of 52
12/3/10 at 6:46pm
These movies are the kinds of movies I dreamed about as a kid - huge-scale action flicks with pirates, monsters, magic, and swashbuckling midgets. I'm genuinely looking forward to the next three, if they indeed make a 5 & 6 (I'll believe it when I see a trailer). I feel Ms. Rappe's cosplay pain, too, as I once had a neighbor who decked his apartment out with pirate crap, got drunk on rum, shoved a sword through his fishtank, loaded his replica muskets for battle, beat his girlfriend, then chased her to my place. SOB broke my window trying to get in and bellowed, "Arrrr - you're a manly man!" Turns out pirates are no match for the Illinois State Police. Ironically he had stolen my black pearl DVD and I never got it back.

Anyway - here's hoping they at least get Geoffrey Rush back for 5 & 6.
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post #17 of 52
12/3/10 at 6:51pm
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Doesn't the news of shooting as one film negate this possibility?
Not really; shooting back-to-back is a cost-saving measure that doesn't necessarily mean the two films are linked together.
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post #18 of 52
12/3/10 at 6:55pm
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Honestly, as discouraging as this news is, after I read this:



I realized that the rest of us are actually getting off pretty easy.
Did I mention one of them was actually a Jack Sparrow? My sister's boyfriend. He doesn't REALLY live here, but he assembles his pirate wigs here, so he might as well.
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post #19 of 52
12/3/10 at 7:04pm
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Did I mention one of them was actually a Jack Sparrow? My sister's boyfriend. He doesn't REALLY live here, but he assembles his pirate wigs here, so he might as well.
*cough cough*



Not that there's anything wrong with that, Miss Rappe.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm one of those dorks who works at a local Renaissance Festival as a street character. Yes, I'm THAT kind of a dork.
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post #20 of 52
12/3/10 at 7:23pm
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*cough cough*



Not that there's anything wrong with that, Miss Rappe.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm one of those dorks who works at a local Renaissance Festival as a street character. Yes, I'm THAT kind of a dork.

Hey, could we keep my personal stuff off the CHUD forums? If I want it posted here, I'll post it here. That's really not cool.

And yeah, I've dressed like a pirate. Twice, and it was for the Ren Faire. But then I realized it was a lifestyle choice for the other two, and participating at all lumped me in with that. So I've never done it again. One stint is a long way from spending every day of the year making pirate hats.

Thankfully, there's always someone to dig up a photo to imply otherwise. Appreciate it.
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post #21 of 52
12/3/10 at 7:33pm
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Hey, could we keep my personal stuff off the CHUD forums? If I want it posted here, I'll post it here. That's really not cool.

And yeah, I've dressed like a pirate. Twice, and it was for the Ren Faire. But then I realized it was a lifestyle choice for the other two, and participating at all lumped me in with that. So I've never done it again. One stint is a long way from spending every day of the year making pirate hats.

Thankfully, there's always someone to dig up a photo to imply otherwise. Appreciate it.
I apologize. You're right, it was a dick move. I remembered the picture from a blog. I was attempting to make a tiny joke. Clearly, it was misguided. I honestly didn't mean to offend.
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post #22 of 52
12/3/10 at 7:55pm
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I apologize. You're right, it was a dick move. I remembered the picture from a blog. I was attempting to make a tiny joke. Clearly, it was misguided. I honestly didn't mean to offend.
I understand it was meant to be funny, and I know these things are out there beyond my control. Let's just say if I had ever known I'd work on the Internet, they never would have existed.
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post #23 of 52
12/3/10 at 8:00pm
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I understand it was meant to be funny, and I know these things are out there beyond my control. Let's just say if I had ever known I'd work on the Internet, they never would have existed.
As someone who works on the Internet and who has photos out there that haunt my nightmares, I should know better.
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post #24 of 52
12/3/10 at 8:47pm
From the Hitfix article:

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But "Pirates 4" is already the single highest greenlight budget of all time
I thought I read that they they cut the budget way down on this one due to how much money was thrown at the third film.

And I think this news leaking will probably hurt Pirates 4 more than the lackluster storytelling of At World's End. I'm willing to give the franchise one more go, but the prospect of it just going and going immediately tires me on it before even sitting down and giving a fourth film a chance.

I can't help but think that "quietly whispering to cast and crew" is exactly how Disney wanted this news to be kept, because it's something they are preparing for in case the fourth film is a success..but it's not a concrete go.
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post #25 of 52
12/3/10 at 8:52pm
There was a time when this news would have overjoyed me. That time was before I saw Pirates 2. I am a big Depp fan and have been for a while, but this franchise has lost my opening weekend urgency.
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post #26 of 52
12/3/10 at 8:59pm
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Hey, could we keep my personal stuff off the CHUD forums? If I want it posted here, I'll post it here. That's really not cool.
With the greatest respect, why did you quote his post with the image in it then? Why not just PM and ask him to edit it out? What a strange call-out.
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post #27 of 52
12/3/10 at 9:12pm
So Pirates is Disney's epic fantasy franchise (since they gave up on Narnia and Persia ), and I'm guessing Tron is set up to be Disney's epic sci-fi franchise. Don't even bother with the Tron 2-6 news guys, I know it's coming.
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post #28 of 52
12/3/10 at 10:02pm
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So Pirates is Disney's epic fantasy franchise (since they gave up on Narnia and Persia ), and I'm guessing Tron is set up to be Disney's epic sci-fi franchise. Don't even bother with the Tron 2-6 news guys, I know it's coming.
Tron 2 has to surprise in a positive manner for it to become a franchise. Tracking is low right now. Unless of course there is an Avatar like wave coming, but can you really expect lightning to strike twice, two years in a row?
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post #29 of 52
12/3/10 at 10:10pm
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With the greatest respect, why did you quote his post with the image in it then? Why not just PM and ask him to edit it out? What a strange call-out.
Because I hit reply and didn't think about the photo being reposted.

The post is there. Even if the image is taken out, what does that do? Encourage others to go looking for it out of curiosity to see what was censored, and then see more of my stuff dumped in the forum?

I also think that if a personal photo is going to be made a public joke, then I want to address it there in order to discourage others from repeating it. Again, I realize this stuff is out there, and at this point there's nothing I can do about it. Upping privacy settings, deleting my blog, whatever -- it doesn't get rid of it. But I would like to think CHUD readers could respect that just because a person writes for the site doesn't mean that it's open season on their entire online life. If I went and took a photo from your Facebook or blog and posted it here as a laugh, would you be ok with that?

It really isn't "strange." It was something done in the heat of frustration and annoyance, hence its messiness. But you're free to your opinion, suspicions, and censure, of course. Just as I am free to criticize it.
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post #30 of 52
12/3/10 at 10:47pm
Loved the first flick, wasn't sold on the other two, so i'm reserving judgement on this one.
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post #31 of 52
12/3/10 at 10:57pm
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I also think that if a personal photo is going to be made a public joke, then I want to address it there in order to discourage others from repeating it. If I went and took a photo from your Facebook or blog and posted it here as a laugh, would you be ok with that?
Also with the greatest respect, Elisabeth, but the photo in question is your identifying photo from your public Blogger profile, which is displayed on the main page of your public personal blog. That's not even in the same ballpark as a private Facebook photo that you'd prefer only your friends see or something that was deleted and pulled from an Internet cache. The photo was hardly "dug up." And considering the way the discussion went in this thread, you probably shouldn't be too shocked (or even angry) it found its way here. Plus, the joke wasn't mean-spirited or anything. Seemed kind of harmless.

Okay, I'll just go back to enjoying your writing now ...
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post #32 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:07pm
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Tron 2 has to surprise in a positive manner for it to become a franchise. Tracking is low right now. Unless of course there is an Avatar like wave coming, but can you really expect lightning to strike twice, two years in a row?
Well I guess Disney already had lightning strike with Alice in Wonderland. I'm surprised there hasn't been any franchise talk with that.
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post #33 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:08pm
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Let's just say if I had ever known I'd work on the Internet, they never would have existed.
I am raising my children to "work on the internet" just so they know that even innocuous things can come back and haunt you.

That being said and I know she can defend herself but damn some of you ought to let it go. She got frosty, apologized for getting frosty and she moved on.
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post #34 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:18pm
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Also with the greatest respect, Elisabeth, but the photo in question is your identifying photo from your public Blogger profile, which is displayed on the main page of your public personal blog. That's not even in the same ballpark as a private Facebook photo that you'd prefer only your friends see or something that was deleted and pulled from an Internet cache. The photo was hardly "dug up." And considering the way the discussion went in this thread, you probably shouldn't be too shocked (or even angry) it found its way here. Okay, I'll just go back to enjoying your writing now ...
I believe I said that it was from a public spot, but it's not a public domain image. It's my photo, regardless of where it appears online. I would like to control where it appears online, and that includes here in these forums. Just because I choose to put it as a profile image doesn't mean it's fair game for anyone who would also like to post it.

Really, I'm not this humorless or bitchy, but come on. Am I really not allowed to say "Don't do that, it makes me uncomfortable"? For my own photos?

If I start raiding your blogs and Facebook profiles for images I think are funny and post them because you've brought up some corner of your personal life, would that be ok? I'm honestly asking. Because I don't think it would be, and I wouldn't dream of doing it "just because" they are available on a public space.
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post #35 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:21pm
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I am raising my children to "work on the internet" just so they know that even innocuous things can come back and haunt you.

That being said and I know she can defend herself but damn some of you ought to let it go. She got frosty, apologized for getting frosty and she moved on.
Well, not entirely. :P I apologize for that, too. I really didn't want to continue to derail this thread which is about Pirates of the Caribbean 5 and 6, and not "Why isn't it ok to grab photos off your blog and post them?"

If we could keep it to that, it would be awesome. I have fun here, guys, don't unleash the harpish shrew that I have to constantly keep under wraps in the best of times!
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post #36 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:23pm
[QUOTE=JonStrickland;3087068]*cough cough*

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This is like finding a photo of Devin painted blue on his blog after posting his 'Avatar' review.
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post #37 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:34pm
It really isn't. But hey, thanks for reminding me to shut everything down because decent behavior and respect was too much to bank on.
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post #38 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:38pm
Between this and Headless Fett pissing in Princess Kate's eyes, today has been a remarkably disturbing day on the forums.
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post #39 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:39pm
I can't stand these movies. No matter how much I like pirates and squids and whatnot, I have not been able to sit through one after the first.

Fuck it, I want my damned Hall of Presidents movie.
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post #40 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:44pm
Oh, God! Not her Blog photo again! It's out of CONTROLLLLLLLLLLL!
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post #41 of 52
12/3/10 at 11:52pm
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I have fun here, guys, don't unleash the harpish shrew that I have to constantly keep under wraps in the best of times!
This quote is perfect.

The biggest problem with the Pirates movies was their insistance on throwing every single character back onto the stage, regardless of their insignificance, as if that was going to make the story more epic. Production-wise, they were refreshingly organic and old-school BIG... story-wise... ugh. Loved loved LOVED Davey Jones though, and I can't think of a time I've ever not liked a Geoffrey Rush performance.

I wish I could say that this won't happen if Johnny Depp won't sign on, but considering he'll be playing more broody Burton characters, I don't think he bores easily.
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post #42 of 52
12/4/10 at 12:27am
Like most of you, I enjoyed the first one, really enjoyed the second one, and was bored by the third.

Is Bruckheimer still involved with these? Seems obvious he would be considering the fact that Prince of Persia (already mentioned) AND Sorcerer's Apprentice didn't work out for him.
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post #43 of 52
12/4/10 at 2:51am
What the?!?

Some people I respect dig the second Pirates film? A film I found to be almost completely shapeless when I saw it in the theatre and have avoided revisiting ever since?

This is more perplexing than when I found out some people had actually enjoyed Independence Day.
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post #44 of 52
12/4/10 at 2:59am
I would probably rank DEAD MAN'S CHEST as one of my all-time favorite sequels if any of the stuff set up in that film was adequately paid off in AT WORLD'S END.

And I'd bet that any PIRATES #5 and #6 shot back-to-back would include a single story that encompasses both films. Which is ill-advised. And now I'm just hoping they don't tack on some kind of bullshit cliffhanger to ON STRANGER TIDES just to set up more movies.
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post #45 of 52
12/4/10 at 3:11am
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I would probably rank DEAD MAN'S CHEST as one of my all-time favorite sequels if any of the stuff set up in that film was adequately paid off in AT WORLD'S END.
Oh... you don't know? It was paid off alright... in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End: DVD Insert Guide! (from David Oliver's review of the DVD)




Oh my yes...
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post #46 of 52
12/4/10 at 10:35am
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Oh... you don't know? It was paid off alright... in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End: DVD Insert Guide!
Know what's really interesting? I think the answer to the second question is wrong, at least in the mind of the writers. I've heard Elliott and Rossio answer some of these questions, and they've said Will is free from his duties after 10 years because Elizabeth waited for him and kept their love true. Davy Jones had to hold the post for eternity because Tia Dalma did not. (That's why he's so damn pissed at her.)

You know there's a problem with your movie when (a) you need a DVD insert to explain it and (b) the insert contradicts the film's writers.
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post #47 of 52
12/4/10 at 10:38am
The plot of every Pirates movie since the first was and will be, "Hey, look! Jack Sparrow!"
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post #48 of 52
12/4/10 at 2:16pm
(cue hero shot and music!)

Hahahahaha, you're so right! That rapscallion! What will he do next!?
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post #49 of 52
12/4/10 at 3:16pm
I'm still in shock as to how I'm disappointed that Depp isn't going to be in Triple Frontier. That sounded like the right remedy to combat all this recent backlashing he's been having.
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post #50 of 52
12/4/10 at 4:37pm
These movies should be cool but aren't. The scripts are appalling and the characters non existent. There is a huge sucking sound you hear when Johnny Depp isn't on screen and that's the black hole that is Ted Eliott and Terry Rossio's script.

Will Turner and Swann are terrible secondary characters Empire Strikes Back did not have that problem Han Solo's finger will attest to that. Also I liked Naomi Harris but the female characters I found severely lacking which is why its amusing so many women love these films.
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