Amber Heard Comes Out of the Closet - Page 2

She looked pretty adept at riding a cock in The Informers:

NSFW: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_z90fK5QfjY...ers-cap-01.jpg

Oh, go fuck yourself. Christ.

This fucking place. Seriously.

I concur with Rath.

Your right, a woman who's spent 80-90% of her screen time nude or half nude coming out as gay is a really sensitive issue.

Oh come the fuck on. Being openly bisexual comes with LOTS of its own problems, not least that people assume you're a fucking trend whore looking for attention. And if you think we're immune to regular homophobia you're dead wrong.

Playing Devil's Advocate, aren't you a self-confessed attention-seeker? This might not be the best argument for you to lead the charge on.

She's had exactly one role like that, in THE INFORMERS.

Yep, can't deny it. But I am an honest attention seeker - I don't make up bullshit about myself. If I'm not interesting enough to get attention then I'll do something interesting.

My sexual orientation is important to me, and the attention it's got me so far is not the kind I like or would seek out. I got the shit kicked out of me at school regularly, and it's been made pretty clear to me that 'my sort' isn't welcome at local pride events or on the scene.

Also, I'm the stereotype, I get it - bi girl who's an attention seeker, slut, and dresses femme. That doesn't mean it's ok to assume everyone's the same.

Not at all, but again, you're hardly the standard-bearer for misunderstood non-attention-seeking bi girls everywhere. Choosing to speak out on behalf of every professed bisexual everywhere probably isn't a great role for you to step into.

Well I didn't see anyone else doing it. If there's a nice meek innocent bisexual somewhere who'd like to explain to PK that what she said is unacceptable, that'd be great. But I came into the thread and saw an ignorant statement going unchallenged. As I said, just because I'm an attention seeker doesn't make my sexuality fake, it's insulting to say that it is. I'm in a fine position to say that.

Being Bi holds such stigma? Like literally 70% of the girls I've ever met describe themselves as Bi and most people's reactions to that is "eh".

No-one said that about you. I just think your combination of massive attention-seeking and militant "don't tread on me" righteousness isn't best suited for this particular battle. PK might have made a snap judgement, but she's hardly driving round to Anna Paquin's house and curb-stomping her.

"Eh", or high-fiving themselves or their friends behind their backs.

There is a double-standard though. A woman coming out as bi is not nearly the head-turner that a guy doing the same seems to cause.

Depends where you are and your social circle, I guess. Among the kind of people I hang out with now, it's either a non issue or they think it's sexy. That's because I don't hang out with straight or lesbian women, or people over 30 and under 18. Most people I know are some kind of alternative/kinky/subculture type.

The school I went to was rough as all fuck and being openly gay or bi there was dangerous. 30% muslim students - so if one of them attacked me and I reported it, I'd end up in shit for 'religious intolerance'. Apparently my existance was more of a behavioural problem than violent bullying. Several people in my family have said they don't believe in bisexuality at all.

When I was with my ex, he told me that I mustn't tell his family about my sexual orientation under any circumstances and I was forced to lie about that for months until I said I'd had enough of it and told them - surprise surprise, they freaked out and immediately assumed I was cheating on him with girls.

More recently, my husband and I were completely shunned at a gay pride event, where event organizers publically said that bisexuals should just 'make up their minds'. When I complained later via their facebook page I was told that it was a gay event for gay people and if we couldn't deal with it we shouldn't have been there.

Make up your own mind - but IMO the stigma is pretty bad.

PK said Anna Paquin coming out was 'suspicious'. It doesn't have to be about me directly for it to be insulting to anyone else who's come out as bisexual. As I said no one else is stepping up to say that it isn't ok to make those kind of judgements. It shouldn't matter what you think of me or my attitude or anything else - I'm calling out someone for being prejudiced and you're acting like I'm some dumb airhead speaking out of turn.

Let me break this right down for you because I think you're missing the point.

I have dealt with biphobia my ENTIRE LIFE.
PK said something that offended me personally and displays a prejudiced attitude.
I argued against that - I would consider that my duty as a decent person no matter what my sexual orientation.
Now I'm being piled on because - 'trendy' as bisexuality apparently is - defending people's rights to identify their own sexual orientation is apparently severely uncool.

Not allowed to argue with Princess Precious anymore, not sure if you got that memo.

Anecdotal, but I've heard a lot of the same from the gay community. From what I understand, someone thinking they're bisexual only to bail when it gets down to actually having sex is fairly common, and understandably frustrating. So when some gay people hear the word "bisexual", a flag goes up. I was told this the morning after, having breakfast with a tranny, and he assured me I was "one of the good ones".

Again, anecdotal and certainly not representative of all gay people, but it is there.

... who exactly is piling on you?

The real issue here is: wha? Anna Paquin's a lesbian now? And I thought I was sad when I heard she married that True Blood vampire guy...

Paquin's bisexual, and I thought her statement on the matter was pretty classy, and also fairly important, because she made it clear she wasn't one of the people Ripoll talks about. When you consider she's the romantic lead on a show that gets plenty of eyeballs and coverage in the media...well, she didn't NEED the extra publicity, Kate, you fucking ninny. She (Paquin, not Kate) is more in Cleo's wheelhouse. In short: Anna Paquin is all class, sad Greg Clark is sad*, and fucked thread is fucked.

*Not a personal attack, just joshin'.

There is a huge stigma against Bi-women in the gay community. Coming out as a Bi-woman is not going to score you any points there. But, straight guys think it's hot. Net gain.

I've had a crush on Paquin since I was about 13, so my sadness is only in proportion to how unattainable she is. Married was bad enough, shunning dicks altogether would be tragedy (for me, more power to her whichever way she swings).

Bisexuals are the black (or oxford-grey) sheep of the LGBT community, even though they're the "B", but from my experience, lesbians are more irked by someone labeling themselves bisexual than gay men; women still being women, and men still being men, I don't find it terribly difficult to figure out why that is.

The only thing that irks me about Heard coming out essentially has nothing to do with her at all, it's just that the general response (or lack of) to her decision, for me, only helps to highlight the pitiful double standard.

Yeah, this won't change anytime soon, Rome wasn't built in a day and all that, but I'm hoping that idea of two men fucking will cease to be icky to the larger public by the time I'm a middle-aged man.

It'll probably sound super-obvious when I hear it, but can you explain that to me? I'm trying to wrap my brain around why that would be the case, but I'm drawing a blank.

EWWW!!!





Just kiddin'.

It may be cliche, and it's not broadly applicable, but straight or gay, women are more likely to pursue relationships with a prospective sexual partner, also, women exhibit more sexual fluidity than men, who are statistically more rigid about their sexual identity (whatever that may be). From a lesbian perspective, someone who claims to be bisexual doesn't look anything like a sure bet for a long-term, same sex relationship.

Cleo,

I just wanted to apologize for any hurt feelings my remarks about Anna Paquin may have caused. My take on Ms Paquin's revelation was entirely 100% based on my dislike for her in general (which, now that I stop to think about it, may perhaps be somewhat irrational) and not in a belief that all bisexuals are somehow frauds looking to seem trendy. I'm the last person to pass judgement on who or what another person finds attractive or exciting and my 'suspicions', such as they were, only applied to the sphere of celebrity culture and not the larger world as a whole. My overall point was that Amber Heard's announcement entailed a great deal of career risk, IMHO

Anyway,

For the record: I think you'd be extremely hard pressed to find a place on this earth where anything less than 100% heteronormative relationships would be considered "trendy"

Can you show me where suddenly they started getting work out of it? That's the bigger thing for most of these people isn't it, y'know, working in their chosen field. Takei is the only one recently who started getting work after he came out. Everyone else got the press and then pretty much nothing after that so I'd suggest that while the publicity got them some face time it didn't help their career in the long run.

Eh, it's a crapshoot. Definitely didn't hurt Lance Bass or Anne Heche's careers. Rupert Everett, on the other hand, claims it ruined his.

Bass' career?

Heche's career?

Career?

Unfortunately being gay couldn't make them talented.

But they were definitely less successful after coming out.

Well Heche is now headlining a TV show and was actually doing quite well right after she came out. Bass got his name out there, was in a bunch of magazines, movies and on Dancing with the Stars, which is really something, compared to the other 2 'NSync guys whose names noones knows. So no, I don't think coming out made them less successful

So, is Portia Di Rossi the exception to the rule? She seems to perpetually be on TV.

Neil Patrick Harris, T.R. Knight, Matthew Bomer...none of those guys are hurting for work.

Fixed! Huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh. Zzzzzing!

Bomer's out?

What movies? Dancing With the Stars is pretty much a gig for has-beens. Bass got his name "out there" but not for his talents or abilities. He's the Gay Boy Band Guy. Heche used to star in movies. Her career did not improve.

Yes, very much so. He's given interviews about it, but I think he also wants people to focus on the work.

Well yeah, because he's not talented but that was enough to keep him in the spotlight.
I might be mistaken, because I can't remember exactly when she came out, but I'm pretty sure her biggest movie roles were right afterwards.

Wait, how is Lance Bass not talented? You may not appreciate his talents, but he's clearly SUPER FUCKING TALENTED.

My mistake, Mr. Bass.

Your thesis: "Being gay keeps you in the spotlight and helps your career."

Counterpoint: "Didn't work for Lance Bass."

Your response: "Yeah, well, he's not talented."

Problem: Lance Bass is a world-class singer and dancer. He's talented, but the genre with which he's associated is unpopular. So, being gay doesn't necessarily help your career. You can't reshape reality to make your point more valid.

From Wikipedia, movies she was cast in the three years prior to coming out:

1996 The Juror, Wild Side, Pie in the Sky, Walking and Talking

1997 Donnie Brasco, Volcano, I Know What You Did Last Summer, Wag the Dog

1998 Psycho, Return to Paradise, Six Days Seven Nights

The three years post coming out:

1999 The Third Miracle

2000 Auggie Rose

2001 Prozac Nation

Nope. My thesis is that being gay was part of what stopped Bass from disappearing completely the way many uninteresting background boyband singers do.

EDIT: as far as Heche goes, my bad. I was pretty certain Psycho and Six Days Seven Nights were after she came out.

I remember her sexuality being an 'issue' right as Six Days, Seven Nights came out because she had to be Harrison Ford's on-screen love interest in it.

HOLLYWOOD: Where hot talented lesbians go to become the object of everyone's affection until the mechanics of fame turn everyone against them.

Bitch shouldn't have come out of the closet just to get ahead in the industry then right guys

Eh, same wikipedia page has her "coming out" in 1997. As was mentioned above, things went bad when she came out to date the most high profile "out" lesbian in Hollywood, then went exclusively back to men from that point on. I don't know what any of that means.

Also, she says her dad molested her and gave her herpes. He came out as gay before dying of AIDS in 1983.

Somehow this doesn't seem as egregious as her becoming an atheist due to Ayn Rand.