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post #1501 of 1721
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So the extended cut isn't just fleshing things out and giving us an appendix - its giving us the very fourth option that worky so deftly outlined was being missed in the first place?

 

Isn't that a tacit admission of failure with their original three choices?

 

post #1502 of 1721

The entire pack is a tacit admission of failure, and despite the fact that this is all quite subjective, it's hard to argue that ME3 didn't fail in the ending, if any part of their intent was to satisfy their customer base. I've never seen such a shitstorm over a video game ending, so I don't know who they'd think they're fooling at this point.

post #1503 of 1721

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

 

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*Choose FUCK YOU, KID option*

 
"Then the cycle continues."
 
*EVERYONE DIES*
 
*cut scene with Liara's time capsule warning thousands of years later*

 

 

That's hilarious. And probably the most appropriate, I suppose - Better luck next time, etc.

post #1504 of 1721

Eh, it's better than the other ones at least and closer to what I wanted.

post #1505 of 1721

Havent played it yet, and probably won't till tomorrow since I've got a concert tonight, so I cheated and watched a livestream of the new Synthesis ending online.

 

More than a little miffed it's just stills, and the voiceover's way too on the nose, but it's EXACTLY what I wanted to see.

 

 

EDI's final line is the 100% correct, you got it right, walk away now, best note to end the series on.... (Click to show)

"I am alive. And I am not alone."

post #1506 of 1721

So, the new optional ending is essentially a big middle finger to everyone who complained?

Well played, Bioware...you people are so petty and tiny.

No, im being serious; they somehow managed to elevate the ME3 controversy to Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever levels of antagonizing their fanbase by doing that.

Guess i'll roll with Control this time since it seems that A) Synthesis has somehow made even dumber and B) Destroy still forces you to undo the best moment of the series IMO.

Guess i'll find out tonight after work.

post #1507 of 1721

If there's truth in that spoilered bit... I like.

 

EDIT: If handled correctly. There's loads of room to fuck it up, but if they do it in the right spirit I'll be very happy.

post #1508 of 1721
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So, the new optional ending is essentially a big middle finger to everyone who complained?

Well played, Bioware...you people are so petty and tiny.

No, im being serious; they somehow managed to elevate the ME3 controversy to Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever levels of antagonizing their fanbase by doing that.

Guess i'll roll with Control this time since it seems that A) Synthesis has somehow made even dumber and B) Destroy still forces you to undo the best moment of the series IMO.

Guess i'll find out tonight after work.

 

Hah, Control is more or less this:

 

 

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post #1509 of 1721
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Hah, Control is more or less this:

 

 

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As long as I dont force evolution/bio-artificial equality on everyone or kill the very new species I helped attain individuality and broke peace with their makers (and my pilot's chrome girlfriend) I'm okay with this; no problem sacrificing myself for the greater good.

And its kind of weird how the writing staff seems more sympathetic to the reapers than the geth in the endings, IMO.

post #1510 of 1721

You know, I've really come around on the ending. I like it now. I mean, to be fair, I don't think about the game at all and actually had to be reminded it came out this year, but I've got a lot on my mind these days.  It's big and crazy and dumb and I love it (I am talking the green ending, my ending). I didn't need denouements with every character left alive, I already got that leading up to the final run. It's big and crazy and dumb and I'm totally ok with that.  If this is essentially Bioware giving the people who bitched loud and long, good. That's funny and maybe people will be less whiney pants next time.

 

Oh, who am I kidding. They'll just be more so. Which is totally their right and more power to 'em. Doesn't mean I feel for them or agree with them.

post #1511 of 1721

Nevermind the rest of it, this owns.

 

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Further proof as to why Synthesis is AWFUL - the Husks are self aware and no longer mindless. Think about those poor bastards who come to and find that they've been turned into a gun and grafted onto a Batarian, who's got his arm up their arse. That ain't no life anyone deserves.

 

Destroy is still the best ending but Control runs it close now. Reject is just straight up hilarious, both in terms of concept and in the rage it's already produced in some quarters.

post #1512 of 1721

Screw that. Synthesis all the way. Embrace the space magic!

 

Though I have to say, Zaeed lounging may very be the zenith of the medium.

post #1513 of 1721
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Screw that. Synthesis all the way. Embrace the space magic!

 

Though I have to say, Zaeed lounging may very be the zenith of the medium.


Lounging while STILL wearing his armor (and probably packing some gun nearby), i must say; guess old habits die hard when you retire from the former space gangbanger/bounty hunter trade.

And you phrasing makes me hate Synthesis even more...it now sounds like Cosmic Hippie Bullshit to me.

I guess Control is the best ending so far...except for your love interest, who is gonna needs some serious yoga and stretching training to make sex work in the relationship now.

post #1514 of 1721
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Further proof as to why Synthesis is AWFUL - the Husks are self aware and no longer mindless. Think about those poor bastards who come to and find that they've been turned into a gun and grafted onto a Batarian, who's got his arm up their arse. That ain't no life anyone deserves.

If they can cure the genophage, you know damn well the universe will help cure that.

 

For the life of me, aside from playing the game pure asshole, I dont know how anyone can seriously consider the ENTIRE UNIVERSE working in unison a bullshit ending.

post #1515 of 1721
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If they can cure the genophage, you know damn well the universe will help cure that.

 

For the life of me, aside from playing the game pure asshole, I dont know how anyone can seriously consider the ENTIRE UNIVERSE working in unison a bullshit ending.


Its not the outcome, its how you reach it; space magic aside, you are ENFORCING the synthesis on every sentient being out there; its the videogame equivalent of that Simpsons Treehouse of Horror Special where Flanders was master of the universe and made everyone happy and nice, be it by fear, mouth hooks or a full frontal lobotomy and a warm glass of milk.

The whole reveal that the Reapers were slaves to their nature, as the catalysts says, also robs them of their Lovecraftian themes and feel also.

Id be happy with Destroy, IF it didnt wipe out the geth and EDI; its amazing that the game's best and more rewarding plot (the Geth/Quarian conflict) gets shafted so hard, just because Bioware turns around on the coexist while being ourselves in favor of the Synthesis thing.

post #1516 of 1721
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If they can cure the genophage, you know damn well the universe will help cure that.

 

Unless the universe has another singing, quirky salarian genius backup, I dont see that happening.

post #1517 of 1721
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Originally Posted by Sentinel Red View Post

Further proof as to why Synthesis is AWFUL - the Husks are self aware and no longer mindless. Think about those poor bastards who come to and find that they've been turned into a gun and grafted onto a Batarian, who's got his arm up their arse. That ain't no life anyone deserves.

 

Unless their into that...plus, they would make a fortune in the Extreme Fisting Fetish Porn market...or a remake of the Human Centipede.

post #1518 of 1721

You impose a new state of existence on *everything*, whether they like it or not. It's a violation on a galactic scale. At least with Destroy, it's essentially one race (and your pilot's sexbot) that gets sacrificed and, depending on your point of view, it's either a terrible shame but needs of the many etc, or you're just blowing up some robots to rid the galaxy of the most destructive force it's ever known and save trillions of lives in the long run, so no big loss. Either way, it's a small price to pay whereas Synthesis affects every single lifeform in the Milky Way, now and tomorrow. Some dudes on Planet X who are just chilling out as hunter-gatherers and shit aren't going to know what the fuck just happened.

 

Control is still risky as hell - power corrupts and all that - but still better than Synthesis purely because you can imagine Shepard, Queen of the Reapers flying around the galaxy trolling people every now and then with those big, blarin' Reaper horns.

 

"Garrus? There's a call for you, doesn't say who."

"Hello?"

"BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM"

"..fuck's sake, Shepard, aren't you bored of that yet?"

post #1519 of 1721
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You impose a new state of existence on *everything*, whether they like it or not. It's a violation on a galactic scale. At least with Destroy, it's essentially one race (and your pilot's sexbot) that gets sacrificed and, depending on your point of view, it's either a terrible shame but needs of the many etc, or you're just blowing up some robots to rid the galaxy of the most destructive force it's ever known and save trillions of lives in the long run, so no big loss. Either way, it's a small price to pay whereas Synthesis affects every single lifeform in the Milky Way, now and tomorrow. Some dudes on Planet X who are just chilling out as hunter-gatherers and shit aren't going to know what the fuck just happened.

 

 

 

I'd have failed techno-utopianism as my core philosophy by choosing differently. Between genocide and evolution it's an easy choice.

post #1520 of 1721

"Violation" assumes the changes that occur are entirely negative. The new ending shows us that is not even remotely the case. EVERY lifeform benefits. The hunter gatherers from Planet X Sentinel mentioned get a major brain boost. Where's the downside?

post #1521 of 1721
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Control is still risky as hell - power corrupts and all that - but still better than Synthesis purely because you can imagine Shepard, Queen of the Reapers flying around the galaxy trolling people every now and then with those big, blarin' Reaper horns.

 

"Garrus? There's a call for you, doesn't say who."

"Hello?"

"BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM"

"..fuck's sake, Shepard, aren't you bored of that yet?"

 

"Garrus, my systems require Calibrations...I WANT YOU INSIDE ME"

"Would you stop phrasing it like that? makes me feel like im some sort of earth rodent"

"SORRY...its just that I seem to be leaking some sentient being juice, which means its that time of the cycle for me"

"Just keep a beacon on my position...I dont want to get lost while inside2

"ARE YOU CALLING ME FAT?!

post #1522 of 1721
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"Violation" assumes the changes that occur are entirely negative. The new ending shows us that is not even remotely the case. EVERY lifeform benefits. The hunter gatherers from Planet X Sentinel mentioned get a major brain boost. Where's the downside?


Lets put it like this; imagine you went to sleep, and when you awoke you find out a race of advanced aliens mutated all of us into  human amphibian hybrids so we can survive an eventual flooding of the planet by melted icecaps...and the process involved all of us getting probed in the ass.

Would you be happy about it? Even if its for the greater good, it was forced on you; its like the ultimate and most brutal form of Political Correctness; NO ONE CAN GET ALONG, SO LETS MAKE EVERYONE THE SAME SO THEY GET ALONG".

Its violation regardless of its benefits.

post #1523 of 1721

Being turned amphibian overnight? Meaning the vast majority of the planet now being ours to live in at last? Where do I sign up?

post #1524 of 1721
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"Violation" assumes the changes that occur are entirely negative. The new ending shows us that is not even remotely the case. EVERY lifeform benefits. The hunter gatherers from Planet X Sentinel mentioned get a major brain boost. Where's the downside?

 

With the knowledge of all galactic civilizations ever comes the knowledge of Tyler Perry's filmography.

post #1525 of 1721
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Being turned amphibian overnight? Meaning the vast majority of the planet now being ours to live in at last? Where do I sign up?


Here, on this contract, conveniently placed inside a great white shark's stomach.

Also, i forgot to mention the process makes everyone look like Kevin Costner circa 1996.

post #1526 of 1721
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Lets put it like this; imagine you went to sleep, and when you awoke you find out a race of advanced aliens mutated all of us into  human amphibian hybrids so we can survive an eventual flooding of the planet by melted icecaps...and the process involved all of us getting probed in the ass.

Would you be happy about it? Even if its for the greater good, it was forced on you; its like the ultimate and most brutal form of Political Correctness; NO ONE CAN GET ALONG, SO LETS MAKE EVERYONE THE SAME SO THEY GET ALONG".

Its violation regardless of its benefits.

 

What stelios said. And it's not like we're all being whitewashed. The future according to this ending presents a world where, aside from some cool-looking circuit overlays, we retain individuality. And you're also adding a level of uncomfortable in there that the game doesn't. Unless thats your thing, in which case, Synthesis is just the gift that keeps on giving. Anally.

 

I see it more like what the monolith was trying to do in 2001/2010, on a galactic scale. We all get to touch the monolith at the same time, and benefit, no questions asked, no one or thing excluded. We all already united against a common enemy, and we move on as such.

 

 

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With the knowledge of all galactic civilizations ever comes the knowledge of Tyler Perry's filmography.

 

I'd like to believe in an expansive universe that grants humanity a mulligan on that one.

post #1527 of 1721

I wish I looked like 1996 Costner.

 

Again, I fail to find negatives.

post #1528 of 1721
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What stelios said. And it's not like we're all being whitewashed. The future according to this ending presents a world where, aside from some cool-looking circuit overlays, we retain individuality. And you're also adding a level of uncomfortable in there that the game doesn't. Unless thats your thing, in which case, Synthesis is just the gift that keeps on giving. Anally.

 

I see it more like what the monolith was trying to do in 2001/2010, on a galactic scale. We all get to touch the monolith at the same time, and benefit, no questions asked, no one or thing excluded. We all already united against a common enemy, and we move on as such.

 

If i awoke or passed out only to awaken with green eyes and a massive change in my body's looks/functions, I'd probably scream for a full day in shock and horror; besides, all 3 endings are about submitting yourself to a master plan by a superior entity, regardless of benefit or damage, come on, you cant refuse the fact that after the writing team changes from ME1/2 to ME3, the main ideas and themes of the series were altered.

The reject ending is exactly what the series has been about; Screw submitting to Saren and get indoctrinated, if we work together and put everything on the line, we can make this; Screw this suicide mission thing; if im a good leader and plan things right and trsut and care for my team, we'll make it.

Then Mass Effect 3 throws all that away because of the writer's clearly having a hard on for the Synthesis idea.

Its like playing Alpha Protocol (still gotta finish that one), only to have the last part of the game do away with the conversation system and forcing new, illogical responses on your character.

 

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I wish I looked like 1996 Costner.

 

Again, I fail to find negatives.

Neck vaginas and receding hairlines?

 

Given the trolling nature of the reject ending, at least fans can say that Bioware sank to their level.

post #1529 of 1721
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Being turned amphibian overnight? Meaning the vast majority of the planet now being ours to live in at last? Where do I sign up?

 

stelios, after "The Change":

 

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post #1530 of 1721

I love that the new lead-in to the ending turns the Starchild from 'neutral exposition-dump Architect' character to a 'jesus christ this AI is a fucking DICK' character.  Durandal/Skynet in a child hologram, basically.  He goes from "here's your choices, see if I care" to "Here's your choices, you can pick these two but this middle one is TOTALLY BETTER because it doesn't involve my murder".  He basically admits that the Reapers are genocidal because he made them to genocide, and that his creators got to be the first Reaper despite their protests.  But, y'know, it's cool because "MACHINES KILL MAN.  Y'know, like the AI construct right in front of you is doing right now, but it's totally man's fault."

I did the Synthesis one because EDI is a boss and I like the idea of Space Jesus Shepard, but goddammit right after the kid said "I would rather not be replaced by you" I damn near bee-lined right for Control because fuck you, kid, I'll do a much better job than you ever did.

 

In fact, I'm probably going to do that very thing tomorrow.  My canon Shep is gonna be the Reaper Queen.  "Harbinger!  Refill my flagon with more pulped Batarians!  And get me a copy of the new Blasto movie!"

post #1531 of 1721

Went Control and never looked back; Destroy unmakes the best part of the game IMO, and Synthesis is an abomination that now truly stands revealed as being pretty much forced upon the players for whatever bullshit reasons.

Maybe im petty, maybe im bitter...or maybe I already have experienced this type on ending, in a much better presentation and story..it was called Deus Ex.

Seriously, take the endings of each of the Deus Ex games, and see how they follow ME3's formula without feeling forced or cheating the player out of making the game his own experience.

Does the Extended Cut make the endings better? yes, but they went from bad to mediocre, so im not considering this to redeem Bioware or anything; they screwed up the last stretch of the trilogy and thats it.

I cant say im looking foward to whatever Bioware has planned for the future, to be honest.

post #1532 of 1721
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Went Control and never looked back; Destroy unmakes the best part of the game IMO, and Synthesis is an abomination that now truly stands revealed as being pretty much forced upon the players for whatever bullshit reasons.

Maybe im petty, maybe im bitter...or maybe I already have experienced this type on ending, in a much better presentation and story..it was called Deus Ex.

Seriously, take the endings of each of the Deus Ex games, and see how they follow ME3's formula without feeling forced or cheating the player out of making the game his own experience.

Does the Extended Cut make the endings better? yes, but they went from bad to mediocre, so im not considering this to redeem Bioware or anything; they screwed up the last stretch of the trilogy and thats it.

I cant say im looking foward to whatever Bioware has planned for the future, to be honest.

 

Come on man, DE:Human Revolution is guilty of just as weak an ending as ME3 - they gave us a room with magic world changing buttons for fucks sake...

 

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post #1533 of 1721

Okay dearies, on the off chance any of you still care, there's a bit of news relating to upcoming DLC buried away in the patch data. And no, it's not about Omega, either. In fact, it's both pretty interesting and (unsurprisingly) kinda dumb:

 

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So yeah, Balak shows up on the Citadel in Act 2 (if you didn't kill him) and tells you about the Leviathan of Dis being a Reaper that indoctrinated a bunch of high ranking Batarians, leaving them defenseless when the Reapers arrived, right?

Well, turns out the Leviathan is a rogue Reaper, amassing its own private army and getting up to BAD STUFF on some mining asteroid. The DLC is all about finding out what it's up to, uncovering more info on the Reapers, annnnnnnnd...


..you can persuade it to join the war effort. No, really.

 

This shit gets funnier and funnier the longer it rolls on, I swear. At the same time, I can't deny I actually like the sound of it far more than retaking sodding Omega.

post #1534 of 1721
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Come on man, DE:Human Revolution is guilty of just as weak an ending as ME3 - they gave us a room with magic world changing buttons for fucks sake...

 

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Yes, but did you read what I typed? I said that they both share the same ending mechanics, but unlike Mass Effect,  Deus Ex actually makes it work in context of the narrative; there's a true motivation for the choice scenario (choosing what to do about the truth and its ramifications), the medium through the choice scenario is properly introduced (the Kazan AI) and so on; hell, the game even throws a fourth option that rejects the other choices and is more emotional.

The "room with magic buttons" in this game works in the context of the game and its story, while also taking into account the player experience during the game; when you look at Mass Effect 3, the choices  restrict and limit the experience; this may all be due to my personal experience and response to both games.

post #1535 of 1721
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If that means we'll actually get to talk to a reaper, then I'm down. Other than that, it's just taking away from the mystique of the Reapers.

post #1536 of 1721

How terrific is it that we're talking about a Deus Ex Machina ending between a game called Mass Effect and a game called Deus Ex Machina?

post #1537 of 1721
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How terrific is it that we're talking about a Deus Ex Machina ending between a game called Mass Effect and a game called Deus Ex Machina?

I think it shows sometimes life has a sense of humor, or karma exists, i guess.

post #1538 of 1721
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Yes, but did you read what I typed? I said that they both share the same ending mechanics, but unlike Mass Effect,  Deus Ex actually makes it work in context of the narrative; there's a true motivation for the choice scenario (choosing what to do about the truth and its ramifications), the medium through the choice scenario is properly introduced (the Kazan AI) and so on; hell, the game even throws a fourth option that rejects the other choices and is more emotional.

The "room with magic buttons" in this game works in the context of the game and its story, while also taking into account the player experience during the game; when you look at Mass Effect 3, the choices  restrict and limit the experience; this may all be due to my personal experience and response to both games.


Yeah we're getting into subjective territory here because I found the ending mrvhanics to DE:HR just as hackneyed and jarring as ME3. Both were epic copouts.

post #1539 of 1721

I guess I didn't mind the button-pressing ending of DE:HR as much as ME3 because I was just never as invested in that guy as I was in my Shepard. I was ready for my ending there, not so much in ME3.

post #1540 of 1721
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Yeah we're getting into subjective territory here because I found the ending mrvhanics to DE:HR just as hackneyed and jarring as ME3. Both were epic copouts.

 

I'll give that; I guess I responded emotionally and personally better to DE:HR than to ME3, to be honest; but seriously, no one is gonna argue that the EC makes the Synthesis worse because of how its forced and blatantly favored in the added dialogue?

Also, the Reject being the (sorta) bad ending might be downright pertty and trolling, but it still is brilliant in a way.

post #1541 of 1721

Yeah I get the feeling I'll end up seeing that new last option as Biowares "Thomas Harris writes Hannibal" moment.

post #1542 of 1721

okay, I dont want to be an ass further, but is it me or did the narrative in the ME series took a dive when Drew Karpyshyn left Bioware? Hell, even the novel series took a nosedive when he left.

It just seems...interesting, when you consider the timing between his exit and both the novel and game's writing quality.

post #1543 of 1721
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okay, I dont want to be an ass further, but is it me or did the narrative in the ME series took a dive when Drew Karpyshyn left Bioware? Hell, even the novel series took a nosedive when he left.

It just seems...interesting, when you consider the timing between his exit and both the novel and game's writing quality.

 

You're not an ass, nor mistaken.

post #1544 of 1721

I finally got to call the kid on his bullshit!

 

Just chose 'Control.'  The voiceover's too on the nose, but goddamn if it's not exactly what I was hoping for.  Gonna run through the other endings and then I'll check what others are saying and see if I can add to the conversation.

 

(I chuckled quite a bit at how explicitly some of the criticisms were addressed here -- Synthesis literally has an, "Uh, how is space energy gonna do this exactly?" option attached to it.)

 

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So, the new optional ending is essentially a big middle finger to everyone who complained?

Well played, Bioware...you people are so petty and tiny.

No, im being serious; they somehow managed to elevate the ME3 controversy to Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever levels of antagonizing their fanbase by doing that.

 

What else would happen, exactly?  You just told the kid to piss off and are refusing to use the giant super weapon all the races spent the entire game building. 

post #1545 of 1721

In the end, whether if it was due to inner conflicts, script leaks or who knows what else, I dont consider Mass Effect 3 to be a bad game at all; its good, borderline in great but is marred by a botched ending that fails to carry the themes and spirit of its two far superior previous installments...after a lot of thought, Ive come around on loving the series as a whole, and im not letting the endings controversy and failure to get in the way of my enjoyment of the series, its universe and its characters.

I will have no problem playing any future DLC if they make interesting additions and create engaging stories, like Shadow Broker, but i still think Bioware really needs to look at both the development, reception and reaction to ME3 and think hard about what direction they should go next.

As far as the Mass Effect universe is concerned, I believe Control (I want to be clear that i LOVE that Shepard dies in order to become a sort of Reaper Hive Mind, as it echoes Legion's sacrifice and bring the organics/synthetics theme to a close) is the ending that gives more space and ideas for a new trilogy; be it the benign reapers suddenly dissapearing, a threat from another galaxy arriving or even a return of the Reapers creators; in contrast, Synthesis limits the potential for conflict and new concepts to be introduced, and Destroy kind of leaves open a new Shepard adventure, which i think should not happen.

There's a lot of potential in both the ME and DA universes, but Bioware should be careful and really think over what direction it wants to go on with.

post #1546 of 1721

The next game will be set thousands of years in the future or during the First Contact War. 


Going back through some old posts...

 

 

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you cant refuse the fact that after the writing team changes from ME1/2 to ME3, the main ideas and themes of the series were altered.

 

That's hardly what happened, though.  Karpyshyn left Mass Effect 2 very early in the process to take over Star Wars: The Old Republic.  (I'm fairly certain Karpyshyn left ME2 in '08.)  Mac Walters, new head-writer, was one of the writers on the first game (Garrus dialogue!), as was Patrick Weekes.  It's not like the original writer had one vision, left, and then a new writer came in.

post #1547 of 1721
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That's hardly what happened, though.  Karpyshyn left Mass Effect 2 very early in the process to take over Star Wars: The Old Republic.  (I'm fairly certain Karpyshyn left ME2 in '08.)  Mac Walters, new head-writer, was one of the writers on the first game (Garrus dialogue!), as was Patrick Weekes.  It's not like the original writer had one vision, left, and then a new writer came in.

 

I can't see anyone could argue that there hasn't been a clear altering of course throughout the games. The first game's utopianist space opera is far from the weird tone of the third one.

post #1548 of 1721
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I can't see anyone could argue that there hasn't been a clear altering of course throughout the games. The first game's utopianist space opera is far from the weird tone of the third one.

 

Sure, but it's silly to think it solely comes down to Karpyshyn/lack of Karpyshyn.  I'd argue the games just became more focused as they went along.

post #1549 of 1721
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Sure, but it's silly to think it solely comes down to Karpyshyn/lack of Karpyshyn.  I'd argue the games just became more focused as they went along.

 

Focused on what I wonder.

post #1550 of 1721

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