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post #51 of 71
12/14/10 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
As much as I liked Dead Man's Chest, it and At World's End suffered from trying to add too much and tie too much together. This looks like it's free of that burden and is just a Jack Sparrow adventure. Which is really what I'd hoped the first two sequels would be.
Really? It looked a lot to me like they're gonna cram this thing with a whole HEAP of new and old characters - I saw Barbossa, Keith Richards, that grizzled sidekick guy, Penelope Cruz, the new Orlando and Keira stand-ins, and a few others that didn't really register.

I think this will be exactly the same as the last two. Joy.
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post #52 of 71
12/14/10 at 1:03pm
Right, but we're not getting the explanation behind Jack's third earring or the dangly bits on his hat, which DMC and AWE seemed determined to offer up to us.

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The trailer just makes me wish even more that we were getting a straight adaptation of the Tim Powers novel (incidentally, a huge inspiration for the Monkey Island games) instead of this weird chimera which looks to have cherry-picked some superficial plot elements and characters and none of the spirit.
I'm still wondering if purchasing the rights to the book wasn't some kind of pre-emptive strike when they realized how much their story was resembling Powers'. Didn't the title get revealed as On Stranger Tides well after the Fountain of Youth plot was nailed down? Seems like they figured they could pay up early and be free and clear rather than risk a lawsuit down the line.
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post #53 of 71
12/14/10 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post
Gemma Ward.


Pretty sure that's not Gemma Ward.
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post #54 of 71
12/14/10 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
I'm baffled by this reaction. I understand liking the character(s), and hoping this one is more CotBP than AWE. I understand being excited about more Barbossa and about Ian McShane being in it. But thinking what we're seeing looks "fun?" Do not get that at all.

I'm not knocking those who do; I'm honestly baffled a trailer that's primarily people walking in different environments generates excitement. stelios' reaction seems really spot on: this looks entirely generic and constructed out used and well known parts.
Well, it probably stems from just having lower expectations I suppose. In the end, I really won't know until I'm watching it, but generally I'm pretty easy to please. Generic, doesn't have to necessarily be boring. There were elements of the trailer I enjoyed more than I expected, hence the 'fun'. Time will tell where this falls (or fails) though.
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post #55 of 71
12/14/10 at 1:26pm
Screw it, Pirates, Mermaids, Voodoo Zombies, exotic jungle locations, and Ian McBlackbeard?

Hell yes I'm going to see this. It's got fun time with popcorn written all over it you curmudgeonly kill joys.
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post #56 of 71
12/14/10 at 1:36pm
I'm not giving up on Pirates yet. I still love the first film, like the second quite a bit (Bill Nighy's performance as Davy Jones is excellent, and the clutter isn't too distracting yet), and the third, for all of its many faults, still features some legitimately great scenes. Nothing in this trailer looks too overbearing yet.
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post #57 of 71
12/14/10 at 2:24pm
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Pretty sure that's not Gemma Ward.
Yup, wrong mermaid. Sorry.
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post #58 of 71
12/14/10 at 3:00pm
That almost looks like Ellen Page. Which I'd be all sorts of OK with.

As for the movie, it promises all I ever really need out of these flicks, which is that buckles get properly swashed. So yeah, I'm on board.
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post #59 of 71
12/14/10 at 3:01pm
For me, the one thing that robs these movies of any re-watch value is the use/influence of Hans "Pounding In D-Minor" Zimmer. The first film, which was otherwise light and fun, should have gone the Korngold route. Instead we got boring-ass, factory-line orchestral music that set the tone for the sequels as the loud, leaden action-messes that they were.
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post #60 of 71
12/14/10 at 3:24pm
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Were people really begging for more Jack Sparrow? I could see this being a dud.
Absolutely no way. At all. This might not do the numbers of the 2nd or 3rd movies, but this movie is going to bring in huge numbers. Especially since they are already pushing it this early. No one has to beg or ask for more to immediately get excited about a movie about pirates.

I think this site and its users has a tendency to underestimate and overestimate the general public sometimes.

But to answer your question? For me, more or less, yes. The 2nd and 3rd movies have their issues, but there is PLENTY to enjoy from both. The biggest being: Jack Sparrow. I think every damned person on this planet loves pirates, and the prospect of a good pirate movie excites them. If this movie has half the successes of the first, then people will come in droves. If anything, the movies look and feel fairly legit, and script aside, attention to detail is applauded by most.
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post #61 of 71
12/14/10 at 3:30pm
Sure, but do we really need another 2 1/2 hours of boats sailing back and forth, interminable bit characters, mumbly dialogue and everything grey/brown/dank looking? I'm sure the special FX were good but FFS, boost the luma levels a bit so we can see them. And before everyone gets too excited about McShane, may I remind you that he definitely WON'T be cussing in this movie.
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post #62 of 71
12/14/10 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by gillis View Post
For me, the one thing that robs these movies of any re-watch value is the use/influence of Hans "Pounding In D-Minor" Zimmer. The first film, which was otherwise light and fun, should have gone the Korngold route. Instead we got boring-ass, factory-line orchestral music that set the tone for the sequels as the loud, leaden action-messes that they were.
That's funny, I've always respected the scores for the simple reason that they managed to create a modern 'classic' franchise theme that's intimately tied with the flicks. It's something that doesn't happen a lot these days.
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post #63 of 71
12/14/10 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan C.B. View Post
That's funny, I've always respected the scores for the simple reason that they managed to create a modern 'classic' franchise theme that's intimately tied with the flicks. It's something that doesn't happen a lot these days.
Agreed - and, ironically, it's the first PIRATES film that has the most generic score, given how many people think the first film is the best of the three. Both DMC (with the utterly kickass "The Kraken") and AWE feature a pretty diverse score, especially AWE. (I think AWE's score far better than the film it serves.) Zimmer and Media Ventures get nailed for using very similar sounds and riffs and rightly so, but the main theme and the work on the latter two films is pretty damn good.
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post #64 of 71
12/14/10 at 4:46pm
In Mcshane as Black Beard? Alright sounds good enough.
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post #65 of 71
12/14/10 at 5:06pm
Count me in as a fan of the scores. They definitely nail a theme that can only be associated with the series. On their own, they are nice distraction with a tempo that can be motivating. Plus, "At Wit's End" on AWE is some of the most inspired scoring I have heard in nearly a decade.
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post #66 of 71
12/14/10 at 5:18pm
I just found out who is playing that mermaid: Astrid Bergès-Frisbey. I think this is her first English-language film.



I have a feeling she will be stealing the show from Penelope Cruz here.
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post #67 of 71
12/14/10 at 5:29pm
I guess it's just me, but all I hear when I listen to quiet Zimmer is a bit of rumble, a held D-minor chord in the bass, and some kind of solo instrument like a duduk, scratchy guitar or fiddle. All I hear from loud Zimmer is variations on the battle music from Gladiator. I usually can't remember his scores much less tell them apart. I just watched Sherlock Holmes and The Da Vinci code and can't recall one second of their scores. It's sad that he has such a monopoly on film scoring.

I don't see what's iconic about the POTC theme. It has repetition, but a pretty boring melody. I can hum it though, so I suppose that's something.
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post #68 of 71
12/14/10 at 7:52pm
I knew we'd see the same Sparrow antics without anything new and a fast talking Penelope Cruz (yawn) and less fx extravaganze, but that's it? Where's the great entrance of the new villain? Blackbeard = Blandbeard. Where does it show that Blandbeard is in any way more dangerous or powerful than Davy Jones? Where's anything new? PG-13 mermaids (yes, no boobies) and non-rotting zombies? Seriously?

At least 2 had the Kraken and the fish people, 3 all that messy fx stuff... what will this be remembered for?

I sigh at the thought of POTC 2 and 3 burying any chance of a Monkey Island feature film for the next ~ 50 years.
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post #69 of 71
12/16/10 at 2:59am
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Originally Posted by Draco Senior View Post
Pretty sure that's not Gemma Ward.
Looks like a really young Jennifer Garner.
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post #70 of 71
12/16/10 at 4:28pm
I think I would rather stand in the queue for the ride for ten years than have to watch this, based on the shitfest of the last two.
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post #71 of 71
12/16/10 at 4:45pm
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Where's the great entrance of the new villain? Blackbeard = Blandbeard. Where does it show that Blandbeard is in any way more dangerous or powerful than Davy Jones? Where's anything new? PG-13 mermaids (yes, no boobies) and non-rotting zombies? Seriously
I don't think it's a failure just because we don't have another mystical villian with undefined super-powers. It'll be nice to see some traditional high-seas combat and action. (Jones can teleport... sometimes. And so can his crew, but only when delivering a message. But Jones and his crew can be stabbed and killed. Which makes them less powerful than the unbeatable skeleton pirates of the first film, making Jones less powerful than Undead Barbossa after all).
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