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post #1 of 28
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Two things that movies don't often do: show the main characters on the toilet, or show them nude. In the former case it is generally played for laughs, and the latter is either for laughs (in the male case) or sensuality (in the female case). Male nudity is generally only portrayed sensually if accompanied by female nudity, such as in a love scene. Why is this? More than likely it is because the male is being depicted as vulnerable, and for the average American vulnerable=female.

Here's some context: So I teach freshman composition at the University of South Carolina, and I was recently a reader for a student's senior seminar project. The focus of his paper was a discussion of sexuality in advertisements, specifically Old Spice, Victoria's Secret, and AXE commercials. With these three in mind I encouraged him to research why male sexuality, and the male form, is generally portrayed for humor or shock value. That is, unless the male form has been demasculinized such as in Calvin Klein ads when men are hairless and look like androgynous twelve year olds.

By contrast, last week I watched the movie Greenberg. In the film Greta Gerwig as the character of Florence Marr is nude on two separate occasions: the first time is after she realizes her one-night stand has left her feeling even more lonely than before, and the second time is during an awkward sexual encounter with Ben Stiller's Greenberg. What's fascinating about both scenes is that they did not require the nudity; it was a choice to have the camera linger on her entire fragile form during the former, and to have her shirt pulled up in the latter (even though Greenberg is still completely clothed and attempts to go down on her).

My point being, Flo's nudity lacks sensuality and is not thrown in for gratuitous T&A. The director is showing her in her most vulnerable state, in mind and body.

So here's my question to you: Now obviously being without clothes puts you in a vulnerable state physically, but what movies have made it a point to be unflattering in the portrayal of their characters' nudity? Not for humor or sensuality, but to break down the last barrier between the audience and the character.

Side note: when it comes to both toilet scenes and nudity not being played for humor, Old Boy springs to mind.
post #2 of 28
Bad Lieutenant is the first that comes to mind. I Stand Alone is another. Every stitch of nudity in Salo as well.
post #3 of 28
"What counts is what the heroine provokes, or rather what she represents. She is the one, or rather the love or fear she inspires in the hero, or else the concern he feels for her, who makes him act the way he does. In herself the woman has not the slightest importance."

Budd Boetticher
post #4 of 28
Jennifer Connelly - "Reqiuem For A Dream"...when she's in front of the mirror (before/after shooting up), and in the bath tub after going down on Keith David.

The main dude from "Pi"...at the end after he drills a hole in his head.

There's a scene in "Lean On Me", over the credits and Gun's N Roses' Welcome to the Jungle, where a girl is bullied and they tear her clothes off...she not a main character, but still.

Christian Bale - "American Psycho", when he goes on the naked chainsaw rampage.

The shy girl from "The Rules Of Attraction" who kills herself in the bathtub.

I suppose you could count the "Terminator", at the beginning when they jump back through time nude.
post #5 of 28
I'd say any film by Catherine Breillat, particularly Anatomy of Hell.
post #6 of 28
Caine, Get Carter

Mortensen, Eastern Promises

Hardy, Bronson

Schwarzenegger, Red He... wait, you did say invulnerability?
post #7 of 28
The end of Agora features some traumatic scenes for Rachel Weisz's character. Very well acted, and a tough moment since Hypatia is waiting to get stoned to death by violent monotheists

Pullo running down the stairs naked covered in blood, shouting for a doctor in ROME EPISODE 7 SEASON 2 after Erine has been poisoned by Gaia. Heart breaking
post #8 of 28
The first one that comes to mind is Emily Mortimer in Lovely & Amazing in a scene where her boyfriend (Dermot Melroney, I think) offers a scathing critique of her nude body. It's super uncomfortable but felt very real.
post #9 of 28
I kind of feel like the easiest answer is Schindler's List, but, to a degree, Segel's nudity in Forgetting Sarah Marshall kind of served all three of those things - humor, shock value AND vulnerability. But you kind of had to be able to get past the first two to see the third.
post #10 of 28
I remember being really surprised watching Jodie Foster on the john (with accompanying sounds) in Panic Room.

In Shortbus the sexual acts and nudity are to service the story and the characters rather then to be laughed at and/or titillate. Okay it is also meant to be funny in a lot of places, but not in the traditional manner that nudity is used to amuse.
post #11 of 28
Also, Theron in THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. It was a bit of a heavy-handed moment, but the fact that she was smokin' hot and you still were kind of horrified by what you saw. Well...that may count as shock value, but not really, given the circumstances.
post #12 of 28
Irreversible and The Black Book come to mind.
post #13 of 28
JoBeth Williams in KRAMER VS KRAMER; she runs into Kramer's kid, and attempts to cover herself with her hands. Vulnerability, embarrassment, and surprise.
post #14 of 28
I'm not a big fan of this flick, but... Crazy Dorothy Vallen in BLUE VELVET. Her nudity is sexual at times and disturbing in others.

Vulnerable on the toilet always reminds me of DREAMCATCHER and GHOULIES. And that horror movies don't shy away from the stuff in the original post. Not as much as other genres. Breaking taboos, exploitation, and built for shock horror is.

post #15 of 28
What about Kathy Bates in About Schmidt? It isn't there to tantalize or humor, and while yes, it is an older man looking for sensuality, my brain doesn't remember if that is how the scene plays out. (Honestly, my brain mostly shut down into an emergency reboot to protect the system when that robe came open.)

Viggo Mortensen in Eastern Promises. His body is highlighting the terrible things he has had to do to infiltrate, plus the fight to the death in the steam room. Physically vulnerable and exposed, I don't think I want to fight a man with my dangly bits all over the place.
post #16 of 28
Strip search with Maggie Gyllenhaal. Really uncomfortable.
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by JGButler View Post
I kind of feel like the easiest answer is Schindler's List, but, to a degree, Segel's nudity in Forgetting Sarah Marshall kind of served all three of those things - humor, shock value AND vulnerability. But you kind of had to be able to get past the first two to see the third.
I think Sarah Marshall is actually a great example. Segel's nudity is very directly about vulnerability. The humour is almost an awesome unintended side-effect.
post #18 of 28
The first thing that sprung to mind was Stanzi in Amadeus, when she is summoned by Salieri. The whole point of the scene is to demonstrate how he holds possession over her by making her undress - that and his impotence in all its forms - but seeing an attractive lady undress has rarely been as uncomfortable as during that scene.
post #19 of 28
Short Cuts is a another one. I think I've said this before, but I often feel that nudity as "emotional vulnerability" is sometimes a lot of bullshit, and what you're really being handed is "highbrow" exploitation (Powder Blue is a recent film that comes to mind that I have that feeling for). Some actors can't find an excuse to take off their clothes unless there's some deep, dark, depressing reason for their character to do so, but for some guy sitting at his computer with his dick in his hand, Jessica Biel getting her tits out in a movie is nowhere near being a depressing experience.

Saying so and so gets naked in a movie may not sell tickets like it used to in the 80's and 90's, before home video/dvd/internet really got a hold, but it still generates interest, and interest generates revenue.
post #20 of 28
The room 237 -scene in The Shining comes to mind as something where nudity doesn't represent vulnerability but traumatises the living shit out of you.

I guess this is a cultural thing. I've understood the American distributors for Rare Exports were a bit worried about the massive amount of male nudity in their Scandinavian Christmas film and how it would affect the film's rating.
post #21 of 28
Ohh your right and I also know that the actors must know this which is why they usually get paid more and often have special bits in their contract with all kinds restrictions. Believe me they aren't stupid. Either way a ticket gets sold(Havoc) and there isn't anything wrong with that.

Plus you can't really control how someones "takes" a scene in the privacy of their own home. Some will find it artistic and im sure some sick fuck is jerking off to that scene in irreversable
post #22 of 28
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JoBeth Williams in KRAMER VS KRAMER; she runs into Kramer's kid, and attempts to cover herself with her hands. Vulnerability, embarrassment, and surprise.
Doesn't she also do a full nude in a school corridor in Teachers? But she's making a point to Nick Nolte's character I think, so it's still about the dude.

My sister paused the shit out of that Kramer sequence back in the day. And no, she's not gay.
post #23 of 28
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massive amount of male nudity in their Scandinavian Christmas film
lol

next on Lifetime 31 days of Christmas movies: SWEDISH MEATBALLS
post #24 of 28
The Crying Game.
You think it's sensual but then WHAM! Hello penis.
post #25 of 28
It is sensual, Jordan simply introduces an "unexpected" element and challenges Rea's character, and via him, the audience, to deal with it.
post #26 of 28
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Doesn't she also do a full nude in a school corridor in Teachers? But she's making a point to Nick Nolte's character I think, so it's still about the dude.
It's been forever since I've seen the flick, but wasn't it actually about vulnerability? Didn't Nolte's character challenge her to walk (metaphorically) naked down the halls?

I think it counts.
post #27 of 28
The bathtub scene in Rachael Getting Married.
post #28 of 28
THE NAKED PREY. Cornel Wilde's 'Man' does in fact begin his ordeal as stark, naked and preyed upon.
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