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post #1 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:30pm
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post #2 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:33pm
I definitely got the impression that there were too many cooks in the kitchen in regards to Iron Man2. Looks like Iron Man is going to go the same way as X-Men, with a really cool storyline that had been building from the beginning, being abandoned for something else. It's a real shame.
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post #3 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:36pm
Methinks Favreau is using the Avengers stuff as an excuse as to why Iron Man 2 was not as well received. While I agree that the shoehorned inclusion of SHIELD characters didn’t help the film at all, there were far more present issues than just "Sam Jackson made a cryptic remark about events occurring in a film forthcoming."
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post #4 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:38pm
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Favreau was, for me, one for two with the Iron Man/Tony Stark character. The first film remains remarkably watchable and solid, while IRON MAN 2 is already worse for the time passing.

I like him as a filmmaker, so maybe it's better than he get out and keep making films he's happy to be on. Hopefully IRON MAN 3 will retain RJD and fix the problems of the second film.
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post #5 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:39pm
Is Iron Man 3 expected to up the ante of The Avengers? It seems like going from a huge tentpole epic to the further adventures of one hero is a good way to get people uninterested.
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post #6 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:39pm
Elisabeth Rappe, Jon Favreau directed to...MARVELous, Iron Man films. He is not, Irreplacable, though. I am hoping, that the new director, will have more of...Robert Downey Jr, in the suit that makes him an...Iron Man, instead of business suited Tony Stark. The best part of the Iron Man films, is, RDJ as Iron Man. This is the...opposite of sad news!
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post #7 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:43pm
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Is Iron Man 3 expected to up the ante of The Avengers? It seems like going from a huge tentpole epic to the further adventures of one hero is a good way to get people uninterested.
Completely agree. Putting your top solo movie guy in a movie with other movie franchise guys then putting him back as a solo movie guy never made any sense. I guess if Thor and Captain America tank next summer they can just rename The Avengers, Iron Man 3.
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post #8 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:47pm
Ehn... not great news by any means, but he's certainly not irreplaceable. As long as they don't go for the bottom of the barrel and get Jonathan Liebesman or Jon Turteltaub or anybody like that (no disrespect). What's Rian Johnson doing after Looper...?
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post #9 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:49pm
Calling it now, Gore Verbinski.
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post #10 of 87
12/14/10 at 6:51pm
Good for Jon to walk away. I don't see the need for Iron Man 3 anyway. Everything has been leading up to The Avengers, just go on from there with The Avengers 2.
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post #11 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:03pm
Those quotes about all the meddling from Marvel are pretty depressing. It bring back memories of how Sam Raimi was forced to shoe-horn Venom into Spiderman 3, to its detriment.

I can't see how Marvel's grand design to create a universe of interconnected superheros is going to succeed with regular audiences. I'm guessing this stupid mandate is going to sink large portions of Thor.
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post #12 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:05pm
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Calling it now, Gore Verbinski.
My preference would be Shane Black.
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post #13 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:06pm
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My preference would be Shane Black.
Holy shit, that could be amazing. But can Black do PG-13? He strikes me as someone with solid R sensibilities.
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post #14 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:13pm
As a Marvel fan, this news saddens me. Faverau did a great job by turning a well-known Marvel superhero that the GA were clueless about into a household name, and he should be complimented for that. Yes, RDJ had alot to do with it, but the first movie was really well-made and exciting. I think the rush to make IM2 and the Marvel's mandate for several Avengers plotlines weaken the sequel a bit, and obviously the recast for Rhodey's character also affected the personality of the movie. Now Faverau joins Singer and Donner as the director who didn't stick around for part 3, and I hope Marvel will not repeat Fox's mistake and cast a lightweight like Ratner to helm the last part of the trilogy.
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post #15 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:22pm
I'd love to see a female take on a superhero flick. Give Kathryn Bigelow a shot at this.
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post #16 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:31pm
If he really said no to Iron Man III, he's got balls of steel. Not taking that sure box office hit and not ending your own super hero movie trilogy takes a lot of swagger. He's not really thinking Cowboys and Aliens will make it out of the summer alive, will he? Captain America, Potter and Transformers will abuse, molest and eat it. 300 world wide, at best.

Maybe he's got ideas and concepts for IM3 no one at Marvel wants to do, but if he'd really love the character he'd take whatever shit they come up with - and it can't be that bad, can it? - and form it to something awesome. Or at least something good. He'd have a whole year before even starting production, so there should be more than enough time to correct the misteps they did on IM2, which was having an unfinished script. Flick looked good and every player did his job, only the script was a mess.

Of course we don't know how Avengers ends, but it shouldn't be too difficult to finally bring in the Mandarin and bring everything to an end. Unless Marvel threatened to go Sparrow on RDJ and expect one Iron Man after another.
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post #17 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:49pm
I knew Favreau was chafing over this shared universe nonsense. Could be a number of reasons outside of that, but good for him that he left Marvel in the dust.
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post #18 of 87
12/14/10 at 7:54pm
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I'd love to see a female take on a superhero flick. Give Kathryn Bigelow a shot at this.
Actually I would like to see that.
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post #19 of 87
12/14/10 at 8:00pm
This sucks but is not surprising. There's no way they can duplicate comic book like crossovers in film, because the nature of the beast is very director centric...they focus on the movie they're making, not some tie-in to some other director's baby. I'm glad he walked. If they're going to pull off this multi-verse shit, they'll have to work like they do in TV...a head showrunner (exec producer) with directors for hire, not franchise shaping visionaries. Granted, that defeats the purpose of making a movie in the first place, but it's the only way I see them pulling it off without pissing directors off.
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post #20 of 87
12/14/10 at 8:05pm
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I'd love to see a female take on a superhero flick.
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Actually I would like to see that.
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post #21 of 87
12/14/10 at 8:09pm
Favreau's certainly not irreplaceable, but I think he's right to be upset about Marvel's insistence on banging out feature length, production line advertisements for The Avengers. I have a feeling that Thor, Captain America and The Avengers are all going to be, at best, indifferent entertainment. It'd be a shame if the Iron Man franchise went to shit too.
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post #22 of 87
12/14/10 at 8:21pm
Marvel wants a...Shared Universe. If a director doesn't want to agree to that concept...fine. There are director's that will want to be involved with some of the coolest characters, from Marvel over other properties. I do not care what...Jon Favreau directs next. I am far more interested in...The Avengers, Iron Man 3, and what other films will arrive from...Marvel Entertainment.
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post #23 of 87
12/14/10 at 9:07pm
Marvels gonna make as much of a mess of this shared universe movie franchise nonsense as they have with their comics.
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post #24 of 87
12/14/10 at 9:08pm
It's easy for Favreau to blame the shoehorning of the Avengers world into his movie. He fought to get paid for that sequel and a lot of dumb character stuff with him and Rhodes and the Rouke's villain that had noting to do with the Avenger initiative.

I've been lukewarm on the entire Marvel/Paramount thing since they BLATANTLY ruined the ending of the passable Incredible Hulk movie.
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post #25 of 87
12/14/10 at 9:41pm
I would love to see Cronenberg have a crack at it. Or Rian Johnson. And I would love an Iron Man script from Matt Fraction and/or Warren Ellis.

I would love to see writers and directors who care as much about the tech and ideas that could come from an Iron Man movie as much as a great story and action.

And Disney missed the boat with the Stark Expo thing. Should have held a real one.
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post #26 of 87
12/14/10 at 9:55pm
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This proves that we definitely need more female directors involved in superhero movies. I loved that movie!

It's a shame that Martin Campbell is involved with Green Lantern. I have a feeling that he would have done quite well with Iron Man 3.
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post #27 of 87
12/14/10 at 10:02pm
Speaking of The Avengers I feel like it would have to be 4 hours long to live up to expectations. There's way too much stuff to cram into typical 90-150 minute blockbuster.
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post #28 of 87
12/14/10 at 10:07pm
How about Duncan Jones for IM3?
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post #29 of 87
12/14/10 at 10:24pm
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Speaking of The Avengers I feel like it would have to be 4 hours long to live up to expectations. There's way too much stuff to cram into typical 90-150 minute blockbuster.
I've been thinking the same thing. Not only does Marvel need to have enough character time and breathing room to justify bringing together an ensemble who star in their own franchises, they also have to build up a threat that one of these heroes couldn't tackle alone. That's a tall order for one feature length entry.

Unless I misunderstand, Captain America isn't a strictly WWII era movie, so perhaps Cap and The Avengers will essentially be a two-part film. I wouldn't be too surprised if Cap, The Avengers, and Iron Man 3 end up being some sort of trilogy. That may have been the straw that broke the camel's back with Favreau, but I'd love to see it work.
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post #30 of 87
12/14/10 at 10:55pm
Cap is full on WW2 up to being frozen at the end. I'm pretty sure the Avengers will open with Cap being found as Fury starts bringing all the characters together to form the avengers
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post #31 of 87
12/14/10 at 11:05pm
I'm happy to stand corrected, but that does put pressure on The Avengers to tell its story in a big damn hurry.
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post #32 of 87
12/14/10 at 11:08pm
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How about Duncan Jones for IM3?
I'd rather see him make more interesting movies personally.
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post #33 of 87
12/14/10 at 11:14pm
Downey has director approval in his contract. Think he'll walk?
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post #34 of 87
12/14/10 at 11:15pm
I was so looking forward to his latest extended cameo.

It's a bummer, but he's not irreplaceable. Marvel, on the other hand, needs to step the fuck back and stop side-seat driving.
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post #35 of 87
12/14/10 at 11:46pm
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Marvel, on the other hand, needs to step the fuck back and stop side-seat driving.
This will never happen. They are micro-managing everything and that isn't going to stop anytime soon.
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post #36 of 87
12/15/10 at 12:02am
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This will never happen. They are micro-managing everything and that isn't going to stop anytime soon.
Combine this with their penchant for pinching pennies and I see an eventual recipe for disaster - or at the very least, shite.
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post #37 of 87
12/15/10 at 12:19am
Favreau will do a DC film...

...just a feeling. The Flash?

To be honest, I thought Marvel's handling of the shared multiverse was a genius idea at first, but man are they doing it wrong. I just prefer subtle hints, not whole plot points dependent on other movies.

That said, Favreau still has to take some blame for Iron Man II. He knew what he was getting into.
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post #38 of 87
12/15/10 at 1:59am
Yeah Iron Man 2 wasn't good. Favreau deserves blame but in my opinion he deserves the glory for what is still maybe the biggest B character comic book hero film made.

Who would have predicted that way back when with RDJ headlining it. The stars aligned and then we got Iron Man 2. It does not bold well for The Avengers and their meddling.

Marvel is losing it with each property.
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post #39 of 87
12/15/10 at 2:11am
So far, out of all the modern Marvel films, the only one that is bad in any way is Iron Man 2. Everyone going into that project publicly said they had misgivings about how fast they were being pushed into production. Ultimately, they agreed to a rushed production schedule and we got a script with a bunch of half-baked ideas arranged around the story elements driven by corporate synergy.

That doesn't seem to be with Thor or Captain America. Until they come out also looking like overly long trailers for The Avengers, I'd give Marvel the benefit of the doubt. We even still have yet to see how much or how little Disney's new role will influence the films themselves.
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post #40 of 87
12/15/10 at 2:49am
The problems with Iron Man 2 were 1) lack of a compelling or interesting story 2) lack of a compelling/interesting villain.

And it's not like the whole movie was about setting up The Avengers. There are neat references and Easter Eggs in both Iron Man movies and Incredible Hulk. I think they're great; They hype yup the Fan boys and draw in new people who get that there are references being made, and who might even buy some Marvel comic collections to learn more!
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post #41 of 87
12/15/10 at 3:10am
I enjoyed Iron Man 2 as an entertaining summer production, continuation of the character's exploits.

As far as the "shared universe" being nonsense, as some have asserted, I think those people really need to ask themselves what they think of comic book movies in general. Hey, maybe the concept of superheroes only works for you in certain narrow instances. That's fine, but don't project that onto the genre when it's an integral part of the source material that's only recently being fully explored. Just say the source material isn't for you, but don't act as if your limited appreciation of said genre is anything other than your qualified acceptance of superheroes in general. The "shared universe" concept is as much a part of the genre as anything, it's just that the attempt has not been made until recently to adapt that aspect.

It's just annoying for people to want to bend something with decades of tradition to their personal tastes. Calling these attempts at adapting the source material "nonsense" is ignorant.
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post #42 of 87
12/15/10 at 4:55am
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How about Duncan Jones for IM3?
I you (figuratively) cared about Duncan Jones creatively, why should he get saddled with the 2nd sequel of a franchise? one that will be released after whatever that Avengers ends up been?

Aronofsky for example in a completely different situation with The Wolverine, that's not necessarily tied to the previous movie or prior X-Men trilogy

Oh and I am the only one that is pissed about how Iron Man 2 made nearly the same amount of money without been anywhere near as enjoyable as the first? Maybe I should cut Favreau some slack for jumping ship and not tempting fate a third time.
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post #43 of 87
12/15/10 at 5:02am
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Downey has director approval in his contract. Think he'll walk?
No way would Marvel have dumped Favreau if this was a deal breaker for Downey. As far as the franchise goes, I don't think this is the worst news -- Iron Man didn't suceed because of Favs, it was the RDJ show. Favreau has brought very little personal style to these films, and he's still not that great with action. I think the change of director could actually do IM3 some good.
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post #44 of 87
12/15/10 at 5:14am
My only really worry about Fav's leaving is that IRON MAN 3 could run the risk of lacking some of the more fun little moments that Favreau brought to the films. Little comic beats like Rockwell's dancing, the perpetual motion machine, and some of the robot stuff in the original seemed so organic and improvisational that they gave the films a unique charm. I hope whoever replaces him realizes that at least some of us care about moments like those more than action and pyro.
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post #45 of 87
12/15/10 at 6:42am
The whiplash (o ho ho) of opinion on this shared universe, all because of IRON MAN 2 and Favreau, seems a little premature.
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post #46 of 87
12/15/10 at 7:30am
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That said, Favreau still has to take some blame for Iron Man II. He knew what he was getting into.
It's tempting to interpret the narrative of Iron Man 2 as a metaphor for the meddlesome corporate attention that Favreau & co incurred as a direct result of their success with the first film.
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post #47 of 87
12/15/10 at 7:55am
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I was so looking forward to his latest extended cameo.
I'm curious if they'll get him back as an actor, especially after he played a bigger role in second one(not saying much, but still).
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post #48 of 87
12/15/10 at 8:08am
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I'm curious if they'll get him back as an actor, especially after he played a bigger role in second one(not saying much, but still).
Mark Ruffalo: Where's your chauffeur?
Tony: Who?
Mark Ruffalo: Hogan!. And where's Pepper?
Tony (without even blinking): I have a new chauffeur now...

Cut to Bigelow dressed in leather waiting with a new suitcase.
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post #49 of 87
12/15/10 at 10:58am
Happy Hogan got too much time in both movies. Instead, Stark should have spent more time with Rhodey, showing that they are friends. You never felt that way in both movies, even less in 2. But I can understand Favreau directing Scarlett Johanssons crotch in his own and not Cheadles face.

I bet the most significant point was Favreau not being able to do IIIron Man AND Magic Kingdom at the same time, with neither Disney nor Marvel wanting to wait for him.

Seriously. Who'd give up the end of a beloved, super successful superhero trilogy to do a kids movie instead? It's not like he's a sure big budget blockbuster director now. Especially after Cowboys tanks. And it will.
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post #50 of 87
12/15/10 at 11:01am
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Happy Hogan got too much time in both movies. Instead, Stark should have spent more time with Rhodey, showing that they are friends. You never felt that way in both movies, even less in 2.
Disagree. While Rhodey had relatively little screen time in the first film, I thought RDJ and Terence Howard sold it. Especially on the plane to Afghanistan, and the rescue scene. Howard's absence - and how Rhodey was written - were big reasons, for me, that the second film just didn't work. (There were plenty of other reasons, too, to be clear.)

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