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This Guy Is A Creepy Pedophile?

post #1 of 47
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Get the fuck outta here!




Jokes aside, yeah, this fucking guy is really, really icky, but using his ickiness to futz about with the First Amendment is a concern.


WINTER HAVEN, Fla. - Phillip Greaves achieved nationwide infamy for writing a “how-to” guide for pedophiles. The Colorado native was the cause of a controversy when it was discovered that Amazon.com sold the book, “The Pedophile’s Guide to Love and Pleasure”.

Amazon initially defended the book, then pulled it from its website under a swarm of criticism.

Now, Polk County’s outspoken Sheriff Grady Judd has taken aim at the author, having him arrested in Pueblo, Colorado as part of an obscenity investigation.

Greaves’ pedophile book might be disgusting to most, but until now, he’s been protected by free speech laws. He has no criminal record.

Judd doesn’t believe Greaves’ book is protected free speech. In a news conference on Monday, Judd said that after hearing about Greaves on the news, he decided to look into whether Florida could prosecute him. After consulting with the state attorney’s office, Judd began an investigation into Greaves, even though he had no apparent connection to Polk County.

“Someone had to step up and do something. We’re not going to allow him to sell a step-by-step guide showing how children can be or will be battered,” Judd said.

Judd had detectives contact Greaves by e-mail and pay $50 for a signed copy of his book. Greaves sent the book to Polk County with the message, “For all your encouragement, Phillip K. Greaves 2nd”.

Judd says once that book arrived, he had jurisdiction to arrest Greaves based on a Florida obscenity law that says that it is illegal to portray children in an explicit sexual manner.

Lawyer and First Amendment expert Lawrence Walters says the law has been used in the past to prosecute people who possess inappropriate images of children, not words. Walters says it may be tough to prosecute Greaves.

“There is no indication that Mr. Greaves knew what the standards were in Polk County that the Sheriff is trying to enforce. This just seems like a massive waste of taxpayer dollars,” Walters said.

Judd argues that Greaves will eventually have to pay the cost of the investigation if convicted. Judd is confident the charges will stick, and he says it is worth attempting it to put Greaves away. Judd says his book endangers children in Polk County and across the country.

“I sit there in shock, in disgust, with all these experts saying there’s nothing we can do. Yes, there is something we can do,” Judd said.

But Walters believes the case could lead to a long legal fight.

“There are certainly some very significant First Amendment issues at stake in the case. This case could have the potential to go to the State Supreme Court,” Walters said.

Judd is attempting to have Greaves extradited. If Greaves waives a hearing, Judd believes he could be in Polk County in a few days
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http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/new...uthor-arrested
post #2 of 47
Sigh. I live in Polk County (and not very far from Winter Haven). Sheriff Judd is a media whore. Seriously. He needs to spend more time cracking down on the meth problem we have (and that his own son has an issue with).
post #3 of 47
Obviously this guy is dangerous, but if we live in a country that is truly put at great risk because a book was written,? Then we have larger problems than pedophiles. Way to go Florida, you manage to make the pro molestation guy look like the victim

PS I think Sheriff Judd might want to look into that Modest Proposal book... It outlines a pretty disturbing plan
post #4 of 47
Thunderdome! Two jackasses enter, hopefully none leave!
post #5 of 47
Pedophile creep vs. attention whore douchebag!

This is like a Todd Solondz movie come to life, spreading misery and awkwardness and ruining Christmas.
post #6 of 47
"Coming this fall, Rob Schneider is THE MOLESTER!"
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"Coming this fall, Rob Schneider is THE MOLESTER!"
"Rated PG-13"
post #8 of 47
Dude looks like my friends step-father. I should call my friend, make sure he's ok.
post #9 of 47
Thread Starter 
The hell with the First Amendment, what I really want to know is what's up with his "Makin' Handbags" shirt? Is that a creepy pedo euphemism for some horrible sex act? Do I even want to know?
post #10 of 47
I'm sorry, are there any non-creepy pedophiles out there? You don't hear a lot of, "you know, aside from his penchant for fucking young boys, he's a pretty decent guy."
post #11 of 47
You can make the argument that there are non-pathological forms of pedophilia and it can be a legitimate orientation. Ancient Greek literature is filled with discussions on this very topic. What stops most people from having that discussion is the "EWWWWW" factor, which is understandable but also something we think is bad to appeal to when talking about miscegenation or homosexuality.

Pedophiles were actually apart of the queer equality movement until they were abandoned to make the movement more palatable for non-queer allies. These days, the transgendered community has filled the role of whipping boy in that movement. The "compromises" in most of the LGBT-related bills before congress this year, for example, involved severing provisions that granted protection to the transgendered.
post #12 of 47
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I'm sorry, are there any non-creepy pedophiles out there? You don't hear a lot of, "you know, aside from his penchant for fucking young boys, he's a pretty decent guy."
This.
post #13 of 47
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I'm sorry, are there any non-creepy pedophiles out there? You don't hear a lot of, "you know, aside from his penchant for fucking young boys, he's a pretty decent guy."
However "you know, aside from his penchant for fucking young girls, he's a pretty decent filmaker"...
post #14 of 47
So, does this mean we can't buy Lolita in Polk County? Just sayin'...
post #15 of 47
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Pedophiles were actually apart of the queer equality movement until they were abandoned to make the movement more palatable for non-queer allies.
Not so true.

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So, does this mean we can't buy Lolita in Polk County? Just sayin'...
Well you definitely can't buy porn in Polk County.
post #16 of 47
Is being a pedophile really so difficult that it requires a "how-to" guide?

Oh and also, *insert obligatory "Just become a catholic priest!" joke here*
post #17 of 47
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Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
You can make the argument that there are non-pathological forms of pedophilia and it can be a legitimate orientation. Ancient Greek literature is filled with discussions on this very topic. What stops most people from having that discussion is the "EWWWWW" factor, which is understandable but also something we think is bad to appeal to when talking about miscegenation or homosexuality.

Pedophiles were actually apart of the queer equality movement until they were abandoned to make the movement more palatable for non-queer allies. These days, the transgendered community has filled the role of whipping boy in that movement. The "compromises" in most of the LGBT-related bills before congress this year, for example, involved severing provisions that granted protection to the transgendered.
Citations please.
post #18 of 47
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Citations please.
Well I mean he would, but he doesn't have them on hand, and the local library is located within 500 yards of a playground so things get a little tricky.
post #19 of 47
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Citations please.
From Wikipedia:

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Gay organizations, in the beginning, were very supportive of NAMBLA. [18] However, opposition to NAMBLA was evident in the conference that organized the first gay march on Washington in 1979. [19]

In 1980 a group called the "Lesbian Caucus - Lesbian & Gay Pride March Committee" distributed a hand-out urging women to split from the annual New York City Gay Pride March because the organizing committee had supposedly been dominated by NAMBLA and its supporters. [19] The next year, after some lesbians threatened to picket, the Cornell University gay group Gay PAC (Gay People at Cornell) rescinded its invitation to NAMBLA founder David Thorstad to be the keynote speaker at the annual May Gay Festival. [19] In the following years, gay rights groups attempted to block NAMBLA’s participation in gay pride parades, prompting leading gay rights figure Harry Hay to wear a sign proclaiming "NAMBLA walks with me" as he participated in a 1986 gay pride march in Los Angeles. [20]
Reference 18
post #20 of 47
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From Wikipedia:



Reference 18
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Yet the idea of mass support for NAMBLA as an integral part of the growing gay and lesbian political movement was likely doomed from the outset. The organization came into existence with the memory of Anita Bryant's "Save Our Children" campaign less than a year old. Bryant had successfully advocated rescinding a Miami city ordinance extending equal protection to gay men and lesbians on the grounds that gay men were uniformly pedophilic<a href=&quot;/glossary.php?word=pedophilic&part=&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>pedophilic</a>.
is a lot different then what Cuchulain was saying (or insinuating if you prefer).
post #21 of 47
Bingo. Not that I'm surprised that he would insinuate something like this.
post #22 of 47
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Bingo. Not that I'm surprised that he would insinuate something like this.
Nowhere in the post do I say anything that would suggest that I have bad motives for associating them with the larger movement. I've helped organize major LBGT events and campaigns.

Some people did and do see that community as a legitimate part of the movement and think that they've been sidelined purely for political purposes. The most famous are Allen Ginsberg and--yes--the people behind NAMBLA.

There's a difference between pointing out that there are other sides and aspects of the issue to consider and advocating for those sides and issues or making "insinuations."
post #23 of 47
They were never a part of the queer movement. Certainly NAMBLA attempted to hitch its stars to the larger queer movement and they were resoundly denied. To say otherwise is more than a tad insulting to this queer (and I don't care how many events and campaigns you helped organize).
post #24 of 47
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They were never a part of the queer movement. Certainly NAMBLA attempted to hitch its stars to the larger queer movement and they were resoundly denied. To say otherwise is more than a tad insulting to this queer (and I don't care how many events and campaigns you helped organize).
They've been part of American and international queer advocacy groups. It was only during the 1980s and 1990s that they started to become completely isolated, when people started to make--mostly false--accusations that some members were child abductors. The source of that Wiki article actually spells that out: http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/nambla.html
post #25 of 47
This is gonna end so badly.
post #26 of 47
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This is gonna end so badly.
Eh, it's not going to develop beyond this point. I made the mistake of taking the question of whether or not there could ever be such a thing as a non-creepy pedophile seriously and pointed out that the question has never really been black and white in either ancient or modern history. Then one of the usual assholes made assumptions about my character and HB got weirdly bent out of shape over it.

I think just steering clear of these types of discussions on here is the best way to go. My aim is always just to follow a question but I apparently have a hard time discerning how putting things a certain way can piss people off. (I do kind of get why HB is sensitive about bringing this up, since "recruiting kids" is the line from the anti-gay crowd that led them to draw a forceful distinction in the first place and is always one of the main arguments there. Ryan, however, I think is just a jerk.)
post #27 of 47
You don't have kids, do you? The "EWWWWWW" factor is most assuredly not the only reason paedophilia isn't openly discussed as a legitimate orientation.
post #28 of 47
paedophilia and homosexuality were basically the same thing until some asshole* said something, then it became this whole big deal. Stop getting so weirdly bent out of shape about it HB.

*Not you, Ryan, a different asshole.
post #29 of 47
First of all, where the hell did this weird equivalence between pedophilia and homosexuality come from? I thought we got rid of this in the sixties.

Second, to set some things straight concerning the Ancient Greek attitudes towards pedophilia that were brought up by Cuchulain earlier. There's a mistaken belief that somehow life in Ancient Greece meant wall to wall, consequence free child fucking. I'd love to see some pervert time travelling to Athens and trying it. Most of all I'd love to see his expression as his throat was getting slashed and his body thrown off a cliff into the sea. Let's get the Ancient Greek view on homosexuality out of the way. You see, the moral line in Ancient Greece wasn't wrongly placed as it has been so far between heterosexuals and homosexuals. It was more correctly placed between the disciplined and the debauched. A heterosexual man sleeping around indiscriminately would be treated worse than a man that simply was in love with another man. As long as their relationship was one between peers. The only way a relationship between an adult and a boy wouldn't end up with the previously mentioned slashed throat and dive off a cliff would be for it to be part of a recognized mentor/pupil relationship. And this relationship couldn't even begin until the boy was a teenager and always happened with his family's knowledge and approval. Or else slash/dive.
post #30 of 47
Butbutbut I thought Cuchulain knew everything about everything!
post #31 of 47
"Gay PAC" sounds like the title of the porn version of "K-Pax".
post #32 of 47
I have no idea if Cuchulain has reading comprehension issues, he's an idiot or his brain is just incapable of retaining new information not related to hating the midwest but the link you provided is not stating that they were connected in any meaningful way. They shared a common enemy at one point and members of NAMBLA thought they could get on board the surging Queer movement train. But, and here's the truly important part, they were rejected a s a whole by the GLBTQ movement. Were some members of the GLBTQ community sympathetic to the NAMBLA movement? Sure. But the majority rejected associating their movement with NAMBLA. They realized that the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

Cuch's suggestion that they were somehow linked for a long time and at a formal level is just fucking absurd.

As for me being a jerk, I asked for citations only. The citation (admittedly by someone else) I was given was very different then what the original post was suggesting. I think when you go around smearing a movement that has enough difficulties getting respect (or basic human rights) with the pedophile brush you should likely get your facts straight.
post #33 of 47
If offering outrage for the clear insinuation that NAMBLA was ever part of the queer movement makes me a jerk, then I *am* a fucking jerk and proud of it. I'm still waiting for proof that shows what Cuchulain implies. Barring that, an apology.
post #34 of 47
You're going to be waiting for a while. Have a seat. There are magazines on the table.
post #35 of 47
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First of all, where the hell did this weird equivalence between pedophilia and homosexuality come from? I thought we got rid of this in the sixties.

Second, to set some things straight concerning the Ancient Greek attitudes towards pedophilia that were brought up by Cuchulain earlier. There's a mistaken belief that somehow life in Ancient Greece meant wall to wall, consequence free child fucking. I'd love to see some pervert time travelling to Athens and trying it. Most of all I'd love to see his expression as his throat was getting slashed and his body thrown off a cliff into the sea. Let's get the Ancient Greek view on homosexuality out of the way. You see, the moral line in Ancient Greece wasn't wrongly placed as it has been so far between heterosexuals and homosexuals. It was more correctly placed between the disciplined and the debauched. A heterosexual man sleeping around indiscriminately would be treated worse than a man that simply was in love with another man. As long as their relationship was one between peers. The only way a relationship between an adult and a boy wouldn't end up with the previously mentioned slashed throat and dive off a cliff would be for it to be part of a recognized mentor/pupil relationship. And this relationship couldn't even begin until the boy was a teenager and always happened with his family's knowledge and approval. Or else slash/dive.
HB you are basically correct but I must point out that you are wrong about the existence of Homosexuality in Greece. Homosexuality is a modern invention. It always bugs me when people say Alexander was gay. Not because there would be anything wrong with that, but because being "straight" versus being "gay" is really only a modern distinction. Sexuality was a much different beast back then, and our modern views have nothing to do with how people lived their lives or related to their sexuality in Ancient Greece
post #36 of 47
Shut up. You ruined the thread.
post #37 of 47
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Shut up. You ruined the thread.
For posting on topic (or no more off topic than anyone else)? In a thread that no one had posted in for three days? Merry Xmas to you too, Stelios

Edit: or are you allowed to talk about Greece but I am not?
post #38 of 47
No Kate. Greg's final post was an artistically great way to end the thread. A perfect epilogue. But you went ahead and decided to add an appendix. You ruined the structure of the thread.
post #39 of 47
Threads do not officially end, and I had something left to say. I am sorry I disturbed the beautiful form that so pleased you, but since you are a mod and I am not breaking the rules I'd expect you to act like an adult and not tell me to "shut up" on Christmas just because I happened to post after Greg David (official ender of threads)

EDIT Unless you were just kidding. I can't even tell
post #40 of 47
Homosexuality is a fairly modern term, but by no means a modern concept. Lacking a name for something doesn't mean that the thing fails to exist.
post #41 of 47
Yes, homosexuality is a modern term. But not the Greek term homophylophylia that means the exact same thing and was used since men started having sex with other men. Unless Kate means to say that there weren't any exclusively heterosexual or homosexual men in Ancient Greece.
post #42 of 47
Aah. I'd never heard that word before. Thanks, stelios. Learn something new every day.
post #43 of 47
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Yes, homosexuality is a modern term. But not the Greek term homophylophylia that means the exact same thing and was used since men started having sex with other men. Unless Kate means to say that there weren't any exclusively heterosexual or homosexual men in Ancient Greece.
That is what I meant. That last part. Being attracted to only one sex or another wasn't a concept people understood or recognized as it's own orientation
post #44 of 47
I'm not going to have such a conversation. You win if you want to.
post #45 of 47
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I'm not going to have such a conversation. You win if you want to.
Ok, so if I've won (Yaay..?) does that mean you agree? Or what?
post #46 of 47
It means that arguing history with someone who lives in an alternate reality is a pointless endeavor.
post #47 of 47
I thought it meant this.
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