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post #1 of 10
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I've been meaning to post this for a while and now seems like as good a time as any considering the date. Maybe it's just the fact that I try to write songs myself, but I've always been fascinated by transitions. Most of the time in popular music, verse leads to chorus and back again (by way of a bridge or two) and we're generally unperturbed. Even if the songs and artists aren't to our personal taste, everything seems like it's how it ought to be. When it works, we're so engrossed in the track we forget the mechanics behind the thing and just enjoy it for what it is. The wires are hidden in plain "sight."

But not always. Every so often, there comes a song with a part which simply doesn't work. Take Dinosaur Jr.'s cover of The Cure's "Just Like Heaven." For the first minute + or so, it's a slice of fuzzy indie pop. Then, the awkward faux-metal screaming chorus comes in and knocks the song off-kilter. I'm sure this was deliberate but it's a damaging move. The tempo shift stifles the perfect momentum that was building until that point. Crucially, it feels like it belongs in a different, bad song (and a gratuitous attempt to differentiate it from other versions.) The jump back to the verse keeps it from being totally ruined, however, even this can't save the damage done by the offending chorus.

Have you ever found yourself bugged by a botched segway? Why?
post #2 of 10
I personally like the Just Like Heaven cover, screaming and all (a lot of Dinosaur Jr. songs have that kind of bridge).

And example of this for me would be the entirety of Of Montreal's Skeletal Lamping. Every song feels like it's made of 5 different songs, awkwardly glued together. Just as you begin to get into one, it changes on you.
post #3 of 10
So this isn't a David Bowie thread?

I know that segways in songs can literally make or break a song for me. I honestly believe that the best artists use these places the best to create songs. Anyone can write a catchy chord progression and a nice chorus, but it's that linking where the masters come out and elevate the notes into a beautfully cohesive song. I literally cannot think of a single example right now but I know that feeling of just being thrown of a song due to an errant transition between a chorus or a bridge.
post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
And example of this for me would be the entirety of Of Montreal's Skeletal Lamping. Every song feels like it's made of 5 different songs, awkwardly glued together. Just as you begin to get into one, it changes on you.
I think this thread completely captivates why I just do not like Of Montreal. I know a lot of people who do and I've really tried giving them a shot, but while I can appreciate the almost schizophranic nature of the melodies and the music it gets to a point where it becomes too stylized and not enough substance for me. I'm just a baffoon so maybe I'm not getting it, but as far as awkward transitions go I believe Of Montreal's a great example.
post #5 of 10
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I personally like the Just Like Heaven cover, screaming and all (a lot of Dinosaur Jr. songs have that kind of bridge).
I'm probably not as familiar with them as some folks here, but I definitely think that cover is the best example of a bad change I've ever heard from them. The offending chorus is made all the worse because everything that surrounds it is comparatively very good. Come to think of it, it's probably the best example of this kind of thing I can think of for any artist right now.

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And example of this for me would be the entirety of Of Montreal's Skeletal Lamping. Every song feels like it's made of 5 different songs, awkwardly glued together. Just as you begin to get into one, it changes on you.
I never really got into them, but this gels better with me than I remember a lot of their music doing. Someone once cited an Iron Maiden song as an example of this to me, but I can't remember which track it was.
post #6 of 10
Sorry to be that guy, but it's "segue." A Segway is one of those standup scooter things.
post #7 of 10
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And a synonym for segue according to the good folks at Oxford.

Segue/segway. Potato/po-tah-to.

Derail derailed.

Any other picks?
post #8 of 10
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And a synonym for segue according to the good folks at Oxford.
Most interesting-- thanks!
post #9 of 10
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Happy New Year!
post #10 of 10
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Sorry to be that guy, but it's "segue." A Segway is one of those standup scooter things.
They can be botched, though.
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