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post #1 of 29
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So it sounds like this might actually be happening under Ron Howard. And though I kinda doubt his ability to get any name actors to commit to five years or whatever, I'm all for it. They'd obviously have to change everything, but Dark Tower is so jacked up by the end that it's clearly to everyone's benefit that they do. Having just read Badass Digest's proposal for how it would all shake out, I was struck by how much I disagreed, so I thought I'd open a thread here to see if I could hash out a better one and also to see what others think about this seemingly impossible undertaking. By the way, this post is gonna be all nerdy MEGA SPOILERY fanwank, leaving aside the various quirks and irritations that make Dark Tower so imperfect. That's assumed to be understood, at this point.

 

For those unaware, Ron Howard's plan is one movie, followed by a TV season, followed by another movie, followed by another season (detailing Roland's backstory), and culminating in a final movie. We'll see if he can stick to that.

 

First Movie is predominantly Drawing of the Three. The original book isn't dramatized, although most everything from it could occur in either TV season, in an altered context. So this film might open with Roland and the Man in Black's palaver, or it might open with Eddie in New York, what the hell. I kind of prefer starting with Roland. We follow Drawing of the Three, learning the details of the Tower quest as it's explained to Eddie and Susanna. It ends as the book does, but with tons of Jake forshadowing.

 

First TV season is Wastelands. Jake finally arrives, not for the second time but for the first. So you've got the giant bear machine, the demon summoning, the Jake New York stuff, and all of Lud and Blaine the Mono. Ladle in adventures involving slow mutants, obese lady prophets, and speaking jawbones, maybe even the Little Sisters of Eluria, to get it up to a full season. It ends not on a cliffhanger, but basically where the first movie ends, save they're a bit farther along and Jake is with them.

 

Second Movie is largely Wolves of the Calla, probably altered somewhat in the particulars. It's a very cinematic story, basically a Seven Samurai riff. Included are many of the aspects of Song of Susannah (which really does not stand on it's own at all), and leaving off probably somewhere near the cliffhanger at the end of that story. Demon baby about to be born, horrible monsters everywhere.

 

Second TV season - All young Roland stuff. Comics, whatever. Anything extra not touched on yet. Probably involves Rhea of the Coos a lot more.

 

Final Movie is a better version of the last book, taking a lot of the best setpieces and changing their placement. Keep stuff like Dandelo, and Thunderclap, and Mordred (I guess), but put them together in a more pleasing order. All meta Stephen King stuff is cut. Jake doesn't die, but replaces Patrick Danville, which makes for a completely different ending, with a better Crimson King (or Flagg's the King, whatever). The very ending probably doesn't happen. A shame, but it probably doesn't.

 

So that's it. Simple.

post #2 of 29

Sounds good to me. As a huge fan of the books and the graphic novel adaptation, I am incredibly excited to see how this all works out.

post #3 of 29

I hear you, but I still am wondering where all the 'let's not even bother with the The Gunslinger' rhetoric is coming from. Drawing of the Three is great, but I think if put in the right hands (I doubt Howard is it, though), the first could be a small, quiet, bleak movie that is a perfect introduction to Roland. A Leone western, if you will. Hell, the massacre at Tull would be worth the price of admission alone. I think it'd be a grand way to start things off and hint at the larger picture to come.

post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by Doc Happenin View Post

I hear you, but I still am wondering where all the 'let's not even bother with the The Gunslinger' rhetoric is coming from. Drawing of the Three is great, but I think if put in the right hands (I doubt Howard is it, though), the first could be a small, quiet, bleak movie that is a perfect introduction to Roland. A Leone western, if you will. Hell, the massacre at Tull would be worth the price of admission alone. I think it'd be a grand way to start things off and hint at the larger picture to come.


Amen. I do not want THE GUNSLINGER shorted. Especially to give more time to the later books that run off the rails. Let's condense the shit out of WOLVES, SONG and TOWER.

post #5 of 29

It's been ages since I've read it, but isn't THE GUNSLINGER essentially a fantasy equivalent of THE ROAD?   Can't see that getting to the screen in that incarnation. 

 

post #6 of 29

Well, things actually happen in The Gunslinger, but both involve a lone(ish) figure traversing a dying world, so...maybe?

post #7 of 29

I agree with keeping in The Gunslinger. I'm sure they will tweak it and make it more cinematic for the mass audiences. Other than that I like what Arjen posted,I think if they did something similar to that it would be very interesting to watch. The only thing that makes me nervous about this is Howard. If it wasn't for him I would be pretty damn excited for this.

post #8 of 29

I think they should come out of the gate with the television format.  Make The Gunslinger a mini-series or something, ala BSG, and then do 10 episodes devoted to Drawing of the Three.  Wastelands has always felt very cinematic to me (lots of action and scares and great big apocalyptic imagery), and its my favorite book of the series, so I'd love to see it on the big screen.  Back to television format for Wizard and Glass, then compound the final 3 books into 2 movies.  Thats how I would do it.  If I couldn't have dump trucks of money and a cooperative cast to make 7 movies.  

 

Not terribly excited about Howard, but hes got enough clout to get this thing made, so thats something. 

post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 

The only reason I'm suggesting the first book be compounded is practicality. They got a lot of shit to tell, and they can't start their billion dollar franchise on a depressing tone piece. But it would be cool.

post #10 of 29

I honestly don't know how this is supposed to divide up, but if the first film isn't THE GUNSLINGER, I'm out. It'd be short-sighted at the best, crushingly blind at worst, to mash up the first three books, especially The Gunslinger and The Wastelands--they practically write themselves. If I had my way of the world, I'd do 1-3 as their own films, with some stitching done so you graft the modern segments of Wizard and Glass to feed directly into Wolves of the Calla, and then do a big finale split into two movies, but covering the main parts of Susannah and an almost entirely re-worked last film.  In between Wastelands and Wolves, do a miniseries of Wizard and Glass, to fill in the holes without shortchanging the real story at hand.

 

But Ron Howard is directing this, so I'm already feeling a massive letdown heading my way.

post #11 of 29

The cliffhanger at the end of THE WASTE LANDS better be preserved in some capacity -- either at the end of a movie or at the end of a TV season -- or else I don't understand the point of making these in the first place. (Far as I'm concerned, it's the high point of the whole series.)

post #12 of 29

This multi-platform idea hasn't actually been greenlit yet, right? I know initial reports had said it had been, but I think it was later clarified that Universal had yet to give the go ahead. I just don't see this happening as laid out by Howard, Grazer and Goldsman even with all the interviews about the creative struggles of adapting the books and casting rumors. I mean, they may make a movie or two, but the tv series I just don't see happening.

post #13 of 29

THE GUNSLINGER would be a brilliant film, though I've never seen Howard attempt something so visual. At the same time, I can see audiences having trouble with the whole end-of-the-world, alternative universe thing. Also, the first few books have a lot of mystery and I wouldn't be surprised if some were turned off by that. I don't know how they'd change that but it's possible that they'd try not to focus on it as much, especially when these shows and movies need to make a lot of money.

 

I want all of it, the post-apocalyptic landscape, the mystery but I just can't imagine someone as mainstream as Howard keeping it all.

post #14 of 29

I would hate to lose The Gunslinger if only because I've always felt that the Jake/Roland relationship is at the core of the story.  That betrayal in the mine is key.  I can't imagine that they'd cut that out completely.  Although, if Jake's death in the meta-Stephen King world doesn't happen you lose the symmetry.  What I really don't want lost is the sense that Roland with destroy/sacrifice everything and everyone he loves to get to the Tower, and that his traveling companions know this.   

post #15 of 29

If they don't feature Roland letting Jake die in a huge, huge way in the very first film, there's really no point in adapting these at all. 

post #16 of 29

You said it, Parker.

post #17 of 29

The perfect way to incorporate THE GUNSLINGER novel into the first film is to have it be the frame of the story, and flash repeatedly back to WIZARD AND GLASS. That way, you end with the backstory of Roland's quest being set up, as well as his palaver with Marten.  End with the lobstosities chewing up his hands. To be Continued... 

post #18 of 29

Hope they dont include Blaine the Mono and his stupid riddles.

post #19 of 29

I loved Blaine, and I always imagined Kevin Spacey(especially after seeing Moon)voicing him.

post #20 of 29

I'm gonna on a geeky lark, and say that I think Dandelo should be re-written as Pennywise from IT. It's the same character with just a different name!

post #21 of 29

Rewritten how?  As you say, it is rather expressly the same creature.

 

If anything, it should be written so as not to be an odd, anticlimactic nothing of an encounter between the big shootout and the odd, anticlimactic encounter with Mordred.

post #22 of 29

In following the news of the whole adaptation thing, I've shot myself in the foot: I'm starting Book VII right now. I would like to thank you all for tempering my expectations, though I will admit to thoroughly enjoying VI, King meta-bullshit included.

post #23 of 29

Book VII does have its high points, and aside from the Crimson King, I do actually really love the ending. It's just that the road getting there is littered with some serious speed bumps.

post #24 of 29

That's why I'm both excited for and dreading this adaptation. Excited because there's NO way they'll put in the many, MANY flaws of this book, and may in fact change things around for the better...and dreading because they might put IN said flaws as well as screw up the things that were amazing about the series. 

 

That said, did anyone else like that scene bizarre creature that was chasing through that dark hallway and trying to eat Roland and Susannah? It was the drawing of it that made me like it. 

post #25 of 29

As someone who grew up on Stephen Kings work and has read most of his books multiple times, I simply cannot  see this being a worthwhile project. While parts of this series have a magic to them (wizard and glass), in other parts of the series we are painfully aware of the author's desperation to somehow complete this behemoth. And while the last 3 books are pretty much car wrecks in my eyes, at least the ending fit. King is at his best when he can hint at a larger picture (as are most authors) mythologies tend to bog down when you attempt to define them.

 

And while a part of me thinks that the right casting could make me curious enough to see this (sam rockwell as eddie), I cannot see it going well.

 

Lets just be honest, the source material is a mess, it was a fading author doing a large homage to himself and a few of his favorite things. The fans were happy because there were enough call backs to some of the authors more successful works to allow the reader to excuse the mess in front of him out of a sense of nostalgia or loyalty.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           I have always found Howard to be an earnest yet tone deaf director. He is at his best reproducing the simple and the schmaltzy. Watching him try to pick apart and construct a coherent whole out of this mess would be both sad and nauseating.

 

Just remember some of the lowlights of the series, the detta/odetta thing that never worked and would be laughable in a movie, didachum, didachek?, blaine the mono, the failed flagg/wizard of oz, stand callback, the ticktock man, I could go on and on.

 

The reason it is readable is that Stephen King has been a prolific and very enjoyable author. He cobbled together most of his best bits into a loose framework and borrowed from some of his favorite movies to create a series that really does not work. While the ending almost saves it, a movie or mini series or that abomination that is described in the first post would be doomed to fail.

post #26 of 29
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Rewritten how?  As you say, it is rather expressly the same creature.


  Hit "Ctrl F", search for "Dandelo", click "replace all", type in "Pennywise" in the "Replace" box below, and then hit "enter".
 

 

post #27 of 29

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I'm wondering if the disaster that is JONAH HEX had any influence on Universal balking at the HUGE investment in a "Weird Western".

 

I think this can all be done in 3 or 4 seasons of a tv series (HBO length of 12 eps each). Gunslinger and Drawing as season 1, etc. Condense draggy stuff to flashback EX: Song of S.

 

Also, for casting, I'd do this...

 

Roland: Hugh Jackman

Eddie: Adrien Brody

Suze: Alicia Keys

Jake: Nathan Gamble (a "twinner" from THE MIST? ;) )

Oy: trained Raccoon Dog or Bush Dog with CG enhanced mouth

 

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Edited by DARKMITE8 - 6/27/11 at 12:17pm
post #28 of 29

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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post

I'm wondering if the disaster that is JONAH HEX had any influence on Universal balking at the HUGE investment in a "Weird Western".



I'm sure it doesn't help.  Maybe if Cowboys & Aliens does good business it will balance it out.

 

Regardless, these guys should be looking at the success of Game of Thrones and seriously thinking about going TV / cable for the whole thing.  

post #29 of 29
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Regardless, these guys should be looking at the success of Game of Thrones and seriously thinking about going TV / cable for the whole thing.  

Agreed.
 

EDIT: Also, I'd love to see guest directors: Don Coscarelli, John Carpenter, Sam Raimi, Walter Hill, John Milius, etc

 


Edited by DARKMITE8 - 6/27/11 at 12:08pm
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