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Steve Jobs forced to take new medical leave from Apple

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Steve Jobs: A high tech prophet guiding the world towards a digital nirvana. And also a  human





I can only hope this is no big deal and he will soon return to Apple. I thought with his liver transplant we were past all this. Apple, America and the world needs him now more than ever, and this is incredible shitty news

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Apple, America and the world needs him now more than ever,



Yes, surely the iPad 2 (now with higher resolution display!) and iPhone 5 (now with some flavour of 4G!) are the only things that will slow (and dare I say, REVERSE?) humanity's headlong descent into chaos and destruction.  STEVE JOBS, A NATION'S EYES TURN TO YOU!

post #3 of 21

can we just say fuck it and make apple our new overlords or what?

post #4 of 21

I'm surprised he's lasted this long. I wish him and his family the best.

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I think the Apple philosophy could be effectively applied to run a nation state. My admiration for Jobs is no joke. I hope he lives long enough to see the tech singularity and become immortal, so his unique vision can guide humanity into the 22nd century and beyond


Edited by Princess Kate - 1/19/11 at 4:00pm
post #6 of 21

As a businessman he has just as bad ethics as anyone else, his fanbase just chooses to ignore it.

 

Having said that, he has had some shitty luck health wise so I wish him all the best.

post #7 of 21

What Ken said. He's every bit as ruthless and devious as someone as universally reviled as Murdoch. And he stopped caring about actual innovation when NEXT failed. It's just that he and Apple look cool while being assholes.

 

But he's one of THE most influential people behind today's PC and tech landscape though and I wish he pulls through.

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I think the Apple philosophy could be effectively applied to run a nation state. My admiration for Jobs is no joke. I hope he lives long enough to see the tech singularity and become eimmortal, so his unique vision can guide humanity into the 22nd century and beyond



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I think the Apple philosophy could be effectively applied to run a nation state. My admiration for Jobs is no joke. I hope he lives long enough to see the tech singularity and become immortal, so his unique vision can guide humanity into the 22nd century and beyond



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I am not kidding. To quote American Iconoclast Bill Maher:

 

 

 

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“America needs to focus on getting Jobs — Steve Jobs. Because something tells me that Apple would have come up with a better idea for stopping an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico than putting a giant box on top of it.

In 2001, Apple reinvented the record player. In 2007, the phone. This year, the computer. I say, for 2011, we let them take a crack at America. Our infrastructure, our business model, our institutions. Get rid of the stuff that’s not working, replace it with something that does. For example, goodbye US Senate — Hello Genius Bar! So good luck, Steve — you’ll need it!”

 

 

Right now Jobs stands poised to bring the 3D Revolution to the realm of computing and data interaction, a pivotal step not only in the abolition of 2D imagery, but in history of technology. This news could not have come at a worse time. I can only assume the very best doctors in the world are at his disposal, and echo other Chewers when I wish him the best

post #10 of 21

Whatever you think of Apple these days, it's sad to see such an important figure struggling through so much while he's still in his prime. He's been incredibly lucky to get through what he already has, and I can't help but see this as ominous news. But fingers crossed for him.

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I am not kidding. To quote American Iconoclast Bill Maher:

 



Bill Maher is a funny but self important douche and he's more ignorant about technology than he is about medicine.

post #12 of 21

Being a insufferable, cynical asshole doesn't make you an ''iconoclast.''

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The problem facing Apple with this new round of medical leave is that investors are getting twitchy.  Aside from pretty much being the company to the general public Apple have refused, time and again to make public any sucession plan they have for when he eventually steps down. A company with no clear future CEO is not a smart move.

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Bill Maher is a funny but self important douche and he's more ignorant about technology than he is about medicine.

 

I'm actually personally offended that somebody would use a quote from Bill Maher on any technical subject, I mean damn, just because you are a visionary CEO (and a good marketroid) doesn't equate to him being an engineer.

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Being a insufferable, cynical asshole doesn't make you an ''iconoclast.''

 

No, but being selected by the SUNDANCE CHANNEL as a featured iconoclast for the fourth season of ICONOCLASTS would be a place to start

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Iconoclast:  

 

1) a breaker or destroyer of images, esp. those set up for religious veneration

 

2a person who attacks cherished beliefs, traditional institutions, etc., as being based on error or superstition

 

Sounds like that describes Mr Maher to a 't'

 

Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post


The problem facing Apple with this new round of medical leave is that investors are getting twitchy.  Aside from pretty much being the company to the general public Apple have refused, time and again to make public any sucession plan they have for when he eventually steps down. A company with no clear future CEO is not a smart move.


I have nothing but disdain for the flightly, fair weather friends who make up Apple's shareholders. They want to make a quick buck hocking iPods, I'd seriously doubt most of them could even begin to comprehend Job's vision. As for your statement, it's true, but really Apple=Jobs, and there is no getting around that. It's Jobs clarity of vision that brought the company back from the brink, and his unwillingness to compromise that has given them the products that have succeeded on the marketplace

 

In all seriousness, unless you somehow archive Jobs' intellect, imagination and soul itself in some kind of digital limbo, a post Jobs APPLE is something I'd have to take a wait and see approach to

 


 

post #16 of 21

Job's vision for the future is walled in content run on proprietary softs and mandated hardware with admittedly interesting UI. The exact opposite of innovation, in other words. When is the realm of computing going to be returned to the hands of actual scientists? Never?

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Right now Jobs stands poised to bring the 3D Revolution to the realm of computing and data interaction,



If this means what I think you mean it means?  Never. Going. To happen.  The amount of re-investment it would take for companies to switch over to 3D interfaces for all of their computing systems is prohibitively expensive, and doesn't bring anything remotely beneficial to the workflow.

 

3D is only really functional for entertainment, and the Nintendo 3DS is the only thing poised to bring the '3D Revolution' to the masses.  Not Apple.  Not Sony. 

 

And Apple didn't reinvent shit.  They popularized existing technologies and took the credit for creating them.  They can maybe be credited with reinventing the record STORE with iTunes, because nobody was really selling DRM infested, lossily compressed digital music, but that's about it.

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Right now Jobs stands poised to bring the 3D Revolution to the realm of computing and data interaction,



If this means what I think you mean it means?  Never. Going. To happen.  The amount of re-investment it would take for companies to switch over to 3D interfaces for all of their computing systems is prohibitively expensive, and doesn't bring anything remotely beneficial to the workflow.

 

3D is only really functional for entertainment, and the Nintendo 3DS is the only thing poised to bring the '3D Revolution' to the masses.  Not Apple.  Not Sony. 

 

And Apple didn't reinvent shit.  They popularized existing technologies and took the credit for creating them.  They can maybe be credited with reinventing the record STORE with iTunes, because nobody was really selling DRM infested, lossily compressed digital music, but that's about it.


LOL... 3D data interface will happen just like Xerox and Apple invented the desktop and the mouse and they became standard. Reality is in 3D. The mind thinks in 3D. It is imperative that our data be represented in the full compliment of available dimensions

 

Jobs understands this. That is why he has set out to develop, perfect and implement glasses free 3D screens into APPLE products

 

Not for tea cups comin' atcha, but to change the way we think about computers and data

 

You're kidding yourself if you think the future is in less immersion, not more. The future does not exist on a two dimensional plane. This is made clear by the fact that to interface with a computer, three dimensional gestures are required in the real world. As impulse sensing tech grows more advanced, physical movements will no longer be required, and we'll interact with the data itself in 3D, with our eyes* perceiving  depth in order to help our mind map out the relationships of various files and items as it "reaches" for them 

 

*though of course,  eventually we'll just process the raw data in our brains, and the, odd, overly complex notion of somehow biologically converting reflected light that passes through the retina into a mental image will be cast down and forgotten 

 

If we require a "visual" image of anything, high tech cameras and sensors will provide us with all the data needed to construct one infinitely more detailed than what our eyeballs alone could provide us

 

... but that's a story for another day

post #19 of 21

Iconoclast being a Greek word and all, I'm quite familiar with its meaning. But thanks for the reminder. My problem is that Maher is an iconoclast in the same way Jenny McCarthy is with her anti-vaccination bullshit.

 

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 They want to make a quick buck hocking iPods, I'd seriously doubt most of them could even begin to comprehend Job's vision. As for your statement, it's true, but really Apple=Jobs, and there is no getting around that. It's Jobs clarity of vision that brought the company back from the brink, and his unwillingness to compromise that has given them the products that have succeeded on the marketplace

 

In all seriousness, unless you somehow archive Jobs' intellect, imagination and soul itself in some kind of digital limbo, a post Jobs APPLE is something I'd have to take a wait and see approach to

 

 



And as I said before, Jobs' "visionary" days ended with the failure of NEXT. What he does now is akin to gentrifying old neighborhoods and being a great enough salesman to get the yuppies and the affluent hipsters to move in. The only thing that's innovative that he's done is finding a way to move the game console inspired, closed, "walled garden" paradigm to OSs. A trend I absolutely hate. Because if the actual visionaries at XEROX, IBM computer labs, CERN, AT&T labs, etc adhered to that, computer technology would be now a different, much shittier place.

 

And Kate, 3D interfaces have been an area of interest in computer technology as far back as I can remember. I remember reading articles upon articles about them back when BYTE was still being published and WIRED was still a cool magazine.

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Jobs understands this. That is why he has set out to develop, perfect and implement glasses free 3D screens into APPLE products


You do realize that glasses-free 3D tech is still using two-dimensional displays to simulate 3D imagery (the same as every other 3D technology being used), yes?  They send dedicated left- and right-eye images to create a sense of depth, but you can't, say, tilt the display to look at things from a different angle.  Do you seriously think that when the glasses-free parallax barrier screen makes it on to the iPhone 6 that it's going to be for anything other than watching 3D movies downloaded from iTunes, and prettier effects for Cover Flow and other such bullshit? 

 

And what 3D gestures are required to interact with a computer in the real world?  I move my mouse along a desk.  It goes up/down and left/right.  That's TWO dimensions, genius.  Adding a third dimension to every day interfaces adds another layer of complexity and reduces usability.  Why would I want to worry about having to reach IN to my display in order to interact with a window that's behind another one, when I could just drag the top window out of the way and click on the one I want.  Does it look cool?  Sure.  But it's about as useful as the 'UNIX' interface in Jurassic Park.

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Also it's worth mentioning that most of his stolen from other compaines, sorry "revolutionary"  products were not in fact even concived by him, they ar ethe brainchild of other Apple staff members.

 

iOS (the software that runs the iPhone) =  Scott Forstall

 

MAC OSX Avie Tevanian

 

And lets not forget the man who invented the iPod = Jon Rubinstein,  who had a big  falling out with Jobs and now works for Palm.

 

And lastly it's worth noting Apple actually had it's most sucessfull year ever during Job's last sabbatical.

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