THE DARK KNIGHT RISES: BANE AND CATWOMAN IT IS - Page 2

I honestly think that Bane makes sense considering the title. 

After Batman is incapacitated by Bane someone* will have to fill his shoes/help him get back on his feet so that by the end "The Dark Knight Rises" to meet and defeat an out of control Bane and is welcomed again as a hero by the citizens of Gotham.

*Catwoman could do this and I know it's blasphemy but I could honestly see Robin or a Robin-like character doing this as well!

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Originally Posted by Art Decade 

 

 

I trust Nolan but Hathaway's an odd choice because, like Maxwell, "she looks like she smells of soap".

You sure?

 

Ah, I put down an anecdote & you raise me with tits. Well done.

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Originally Posted by Art Decade 

The casting of Hathaway reminds me of the old anecdote regarding Lois Maxwell asking Terence Young (or Cubby) why she was cast as Moneypenny & not Honey Ryder, as she was hoping, "It's because Ursulla Andress looks as if she smells of sex, YOU look as if you smelled of soap"

 

I trust Nolan but Hathaway's an odd choice because, like Maxwell, "she looks like she smells of soap".

The same could have been said about Michelle Pfeiffer, once upon a time. Look how that turned out.

If they pan out, no complaints about these two at all. Hardy just playing Bronson again could work for Bane. And Lord knows Hathaway will fill out whatever outfit they have her slinking around in very well, in more than just the erection-inducing sense.

Gotta disagree with you on that one, JC, Michelle Pfieffer was a dripping hot sex bomb from the second she first appeared in Scarface. 

All said, I'm sure the Bambi-eyed Hathaway will be perfectly fine & alluring as Catwoman.

She was beautiful back then, yes. But dripping hot sexbomb? Maybe it's just me, but I never got that off her, till Fabulous Baker Boys and Batman Returns. And even in Returns, the crazy made her sexier than the outfit.

Really? Weird.

Maybe it's just me but my memory of her during the 80s was that of a Holy-God-Bombshell.

Too each his own I guess.

Tom Hardy should be...BAT Back-Breakingly great, as the...BANE, to Bruce Wayne's Spine!  While she is no...Michelle Pfeiffer, Anne Hathaway should be considered almost...PURRfect Casting, as Catwoman, Selina Kyle.  Still, The Dark Knight Rises arrives in a year with...6 other comic adaptions.  The Avengers, Dredd, Ghost Rider Spirit Of Vengeance, Superman The Man Of Steel, and Spider-Man!  The Dark Knight might just take a...BAT Seat, to some of those films.

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Gotta disagree with you on that one, JC, Michelle Pfieffer was a dripping hot sex bomb from the second she first appeared in Scarface.

So Hathaway is still in her Grease 2 phase.
 

Casting Hardy and Hathaway is a mistake. They're too young, vital. People won't flock to this OR shower it with critical acclaim unless the actors playing Bane and Catwoman die tragically young just before the film's release. It's not too late to cast Kirk Douglas and Cloris Leachman! Come on Nolan! IN NOLAN WE TRUST! Wow us again with your dark, dark vision!

Trying to resurrect your "genius" Heath Ledger humor, Paul? 

Well after everyone bitched about Heath being cast as The Joker, you'd think we'd learn to trust Nolan by now.  I trust the man.

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As long as they don't try to do for Catwoman what they did for Two-Face.

 

"You're sleek and sexy and always land on your feet. You're like a cat, and yet...a woman."

I know you're joking, but oh man, I fully expect a line like this to happen. These movies are embarrassing, I'm sorry!

I'm going to go against the grain here and say i loike both the casting and the choice of villians.

I can imagine exactly what Nolan wants to do with these characters, and it bores me. At least he didn't go with Black Mask who fanboys were clamoring for, for some reason.

I do LOVE Tom Hardy though, so whatever.

So the Talia Al Ghul and Hugo Strange rumors were bullshit, yet surprisingly, that supposed list of actresses was accurate.

I honestly would have preferred Talia and Hugo over Selina Kyle and Bane. I do like the casting of Hathaway and Hardy, but I wish they were making it more diverse.
 

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Originally Posted by Phil 

Bet you they're just renaming this guy Bane.

 

http://www.comicvine.com/night-scourge/29-28433/

If that is the case, then maybe that's where the Hugo Strange stuff was coming from? Maybe Nolan is just scratching Strange all together. Bane is a mercenary hired to hunt down the Bat.

Any way they run it, I trust Nolan.

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I can imagine exactly what Nolan wants to do with these characters, and it bores me.

You can? Well shit, don't hold back, fill us in! I'm personally dying for spoilers. So what happens?

Ok, sorry for the snark. I assume you don't like the first two entries then? If that's the case, why haven't you signed off of this franchise by now? I mean, if you didn't like the first two, surely you didn't hold out hope that this would somehow turn you around on Nolan's approach?

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Originally Posted by Alex Augustine 

If Hardy gets as big as he was in Bronson there is no need to enhance his look for Bane.

 I'm surprised no one has PhotoShopped a still from that movie yet.

 Here, someone have at it:

Tom Hardy as Bane could be absolutely intimidating. Dude's got the chops to create a character that's toe-to-toe with Ledger's Joker in terms of presence.

Well, I am a long time fan of both Mr Hardy (going back to ST:N) and Ms Hathaway (Going back to TPD). They are actors I'd be happy to see crop up in any production, and to hear this announcement that they'll be teamed up with Nolan is a real treat. I really don't know much about Bane Or Cat Woman outside of what I've seen in the various BAT FILMS, but I can see how Bane might fit into Nolan's Bat Verse. As for Cat Woman.. that seems a bit shakier to me. It seems slightly unrealistic someone could successfully fight crime in Gotham on their own without Wayne's kind of bank account to back up their high flying night life. Also, Pfeiffer made such an indelible impression on pop culture, bringing fetish wear into the main stream, that it's tough to see how the character can make as big a splash in twenty eleven. Hathaway has demonstrated an eagerness to shed her good girl image in the past, but I am more concerned that Nolan will de-claw the Ms Kyle. Without Burton's kind of fever dream atmosphere, Kyle's arc could seem improbable or silly unless it's really toned down and they strive for realism... which to me seems kind of boring when it comes to the CW character

Oh well, I will put my trust in Nolan, and simply hope that when all is said and done these new characters don't out shadow Bale. This should be his closing chapter, after all. We don't need another "The adventures of XYZ (feat. Batman)" to close out the trilogy

This casting all sounds delightful. Cross your fingers it ends up with Sean Young appearing in costume on Letterman! 

Always suspected Bane would be in the third one. Bane and Catwoman were the most obvious choices after the Joker. Looking forward to seeing Batman pointlessly destroying people's cars and hearing one-liners from nameless cops during the requisite car chase scene. What silly thing will the Batmobile do this time?

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Originally Posted by Alex Augustine 

If Hardy gets as big as he was in Bronson there is no need to enhance his look for Bane.

 I'm surprised no one has PhotoShopped a still from that movie yet.

 

 Here, someone have at it:

Here's a shitty one I made a few months ago:

I'm sure Nolan had a good reason to cast Hathaway over Eva Green. Right? 

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I'm sure Nolan had a good reason to cast Hathaway over Eva Green. Right? 

Sure. She's a bigger name actress. And Eva Green hasn't done shit since Casino Royale.

I'm enjoying people here moaning about realism in Nolan's Batman movies when in the first 20 minutes of Begins we're introduced to a legendary cult of assassins and a flower that produces fear gas and that microwave thing at the end and in TDK you can survive half your face getting destroyed and even walk around shooting people after the fact. Catwoman fits perfectly in this universe. Even Bane's drug Venom fits.

I'm indifferent to Bane, but Tom Hardy's tops so I'm sure they'll do something interesting. I could very well see them combining elements of Hugo Strange into his character or that other character that Phil linked to up above. Or maybe he'll be heading up the League of Shadows as Ra's replacement. No matter what I can't wait to see Hardy go toe to toe with Bale.

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Well after everyone bitched about Heath being cast as The Joker, you'd think we'd learn to trust Nolan by now.  I trust the man.

That's pretty much what I've been saying all day. 

 I'll be curious to see how Nolan handles Bane's not insignificant stature.  Hardy is 5'9", Bale is 6".  Obviously height can be easily be faked but, if one were to foolishly assume that Nolan was trying to faithfully translate comic book Bane, Hardy is a strange choice. Hopefully his Bane is more of a muscular, well-trained physical equal to Batman, as opposed to a monstrous goliath. 

Well, I was right about Catwoman being in the film (she had to be, it's almost impossible that she wouldn't be), but Bane is left field, and so far, when it comes to Batman, Nolan's left field choices (Oldman as Gordon, Ledger as the Joker) have worked out really fucking well. I honestly have no idea how Nolan's going to deal with fitting Bane in his universe, or what interpretation of Catwoman will appear, and somehow that is all very comforting. Nolan made a big thing out of going back to the Joker's first two appearances for inspiration, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he goes back to Catwoman's first appearance as a costumeless underworld figure, but it seems rather unlikely as most people want to see her in some type of body-hugging get-up.

I don't know, it's kind of great. Fucking Bane. It's weird, it's kind of wonderful, and having a recognizable villain like Catwoman to balance out his relative obscurity is, I think, an expectedly calculated move from Nolan. I like it, fuck it, I'm excited.

"Either you die a woman, or you live long enough to see yourself become... a catwoman..."

- deep, meaningful DARK KNIGHT RISES: THE BATMAN CHRONICLES dialogue 

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I'm enjoying people here moaning about realism in Nolan's Batman movies when in the first 20 minutes of Begins we're introduced to a legendary cult of assassins and a flower that produces fear gas and that microwave thing at the end and in TDK you can survive half your face getting destroyed and even walk around shooting people after the fact. Catwoman fits perfectly in this universe. Even Bane's drug Venom fits.

Indeed, not to mention that people generally make a big deal saying how the look and M.O. of insert-name-here won't fit in the films...then you look back and see that the Scarecrow was a mad doctor who went around nailing people with fear gas while wearing a scarecrow mask; Ra's al Ghul, as you say, lead a cult of assassins, looked pretty much as you'd expect and hinted at being immortal; the Joker looked like...the Joker, even down to wearing ('oh, they'll never have him wearing that') purple suit and acted pretty much as you'd expect; and finally, Two-Face. Obsessed with the coin toss? Check. Hideously messed up visage? Check. With even his suit scarred on one side? Check.

Bane will basically look and act like Bane, same deal with Catwoman. We're not going to get any radical reinvention of anything here.

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I can imagine exactly what Nolan wants to do with these characters, and it bores me.

You can? Well shit, don't hold back, fill us in! I'm personally dying for spoilers. So what happens?

 

Ok, sorry for the snark. I assume you don't like the first two entries then? If that's the case, why haven't you signed off of this franchise by now? I mean, if you didn't like the first two, surely you didn't hold out hope that this would somehow turn you around on Nolan's approach?

i deserved that. I actually own both the Nolan movies. I love about half of each, but I'm getting sick of his whole reality thing. Because I'm an idiot I harbored hope that he'd go a little wild and surprise us with Mr. Freeze or something. I don't know. I just can't see anywhere interesting to take this franchise after Gotham was driven to the brink twice. I know this has all been discussed ad nausium in other Batman threads though.

I'll eat my boots if they go mega dark and end the series with Bane busting Batman's back and leaving him for dead.

I have always trusted Nolan. I liked Tom Hardy as Deadshot and even called that well don't I need to drink wrong. Bane? Not pumped with the character but if Phil's post alludes to more than that sounds good but on its face not good.

Hathaway as Catwoman? Wow I don't see it then again I didn't see Ledger hitting Joker out of the park either. I expect big things from the final installment hope it happens.

Not sure what they'll do with Bane, but I've seen enough of Nolan's work to trust the guy by now.

I like Hathaway as well. Anybody else remember she was cast as the Black Cat in Spidey 4? Guess she finally got her cat-burglar-in-a-superhero-franchise role.

With Mr Wrestler No 2 too old to play Bane, Hardy is a good choice. I do hope they go with the "Smart as Batman and twice as strong!" approach.

Hope they can still fit in Johnny Karaoke and King Tut though...

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I'm enjoying people here moaning about realism in Nolan's Batman movies when in the first 20 minutes of Begins we're introduced to a legendary cult of assassins and a flower that produces fear gas and that microwave thing at the end and in TDK you can survive half your face getting destroyed and even walk around shooting people after the fact. Catwoman fits perfectly in this universe. Even Bane's drug Venom fits.

Indeed, not to mention that people generally make a big deal saying how the look and M.O. of insert-name-here won't fit in the films...then you look back and see that the Scarecrow was a mad doctor who went around nailing people with fear gas while wearing a scarecrow mask; Ra's al Ghul, as you say, lead a cult of assassins, looked pretty much as you'd expect and hinted at being immortal; the Joker looked like...the Joker, even down to wearing ('oh, they'll never have him wearing that') purple suit and acted pretty much as you'd expect; and finally, Two-Face. Obsessed with the coin toss? Check. Hideously messed up visage? Check. With even his suit scarred on one side? Check.

 

Bane will basically look and act like Bane, same deal with Catwoman. We're not going to get any radical reinvention of anything here.

 Don't forget, people here thought Joker wouldn't even have any clown make-up or green hair.

And I'd bet good money Selina will call herself Catwoman, giving herself a gimmick like Batman and Joker and Scarecrow did.

Isn't the whole "resurrected by cats" part of Catwoman pretty much an invention of the Burton film? I know it got retained in the Halle Berry unfortunaty, but when I think of how to work Catwoman into Nolan's (not real-world realistic, just not fantastical minded) universe, I just think of who she was in the animated series: a cat burglar with a gimmick. Cat burglar. Catwoman. Not a big leap to figure that one out. Bane and his Venom steroid fit in pretty easily too.

As far as the casting goes, I'm fine with it. Hathaway's a good actress, Hardy's a great actor, and I think by this point Nolan's earned some trust in the script department. I say bring it.

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She was beautiful back then, yes. But dripping hot sexbomb? Maybe it's just me, but I never got that off her, till Fabulous Baker Boys and Batman Returns. And even in Returns, the crazy made her sexier than the outfit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIsETmNtNTs

Watch her climb that ladder and straddle it. She was a fucking sexbomb from minute one.  She made me want to be a biker, until I discovered Better Off Dead, then I took French and got a muscle car in High School.

Let's also not forget Scarface, The Witches of Eastwick, and Dangerous Liaisons.. holy fuck dude. Michelle Pfeiffer was the sexpot of the 80's.

I will agree that Hathawaway, while drop dead gorgeous, strikes me more of an innocent angel, girlfriend type then a bad girl \ villian type. I'll reserve judgement until after I've seen the movie though, Nolan has earned trust at this point.

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Isn't the whole "resurrected by cats" part of Catwoman pretty much an invention of the Burton film? I know it got retained in the Halle Berry unfortunaty, but when I think of how to work Catwoman into Nolan's (not real-world realistic, just not fantastical minded) universe, I just think of who she was in the animated series: a cat burglar with a gimmick. Cat burglar. Catwoman. Not a big leap to figure that one out. Bane and his Venom steroid fit in pretty easily too.

 

Yes, Burton invented the resurrected by cats thing. For the first three seasons of the Animated Series Selina wasn't just a cat burglar with a gimmick, they turned her into an environmental terrorist (along with Ras Al Ghul and Poison Ivy, come to think of it), and she actually spent a lot of time out of costume. I can't imagine environmental terrorism working in Nolan's universe though, especially since we apparently aren't ever going to step outside of Gotham City.

I'm sure someone else has already said it, and I just missed it, but the ideal film adaptation of Catwoman would probably be Darwyn Cooke's 'Selina's Big Score'. I can see Nolan taking some of his cues from that book, but I'm assuming he wants a darker, less whimsical character. I do hope we get some well orchestrated robbery scenes though, Nolan can't direct fight scenes, but the opening of Dark Knight damn well proved he can shoot a hell of a heist.
 

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 I can't imagine environmental terrorism working in Nolan's universe though, especially since we apparently aren't ever going to step outside of Gotham City.

 

Do you mean in the third one? Because the last two films had large chunks set in Asia.
 

Hardy as Bane is fucking GREAT. Smart, strong, and pretty much a blank-slate character for Nolan to take wherever he wants. I too hope he plays it exactly like Bronson.

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I don't know, it's kind of great. Fucking Bane. It's weird, it's kind of wonderful, and having a recognizable villain like Catwoman to balance out his relative obscurity is, I think, an expectedly calculated move from Nolan. I like it, fuck it, I'm excited.

 

 

 

It's the completely unexpected and puzzling elements of Bane that has me excited about this. Phil's suggestion about taking Night Scourge and calling him Bane is intriguing, too. I sorta love how Nolan could be straight about the roles or fucking with us, and we just don't know. Of course, we're dealing with the third comic film curse, too, and considering the expectations this has to contend with, there are no sure things. But yeah, really excited about it. Going to be a long 18 months. Hopefully they'll do the teaser thing this summer (as they did with TDK in 2007) and they'll be firing up the viral/ARG elements to tide us over.
 

Why the Bane hate? Done well, he's a pretty good fit. He's an orphan like Bruce, he's almost as smart and more than a match physically. It's just that instead of being raised by his father's awesome manservant he was raised in a prison. The Schumacher Bane is almost nothing like the Knightfall one.

And frankly besides having a few baser reasons (Hathaway in a catsuit, hopefully) I have to welcome the addition of Catwoman. Because without her around, Batman both in the comics and in Nolan's movies is a depressing, dour, joyless dick.

oh god that concept "art" is horrible.

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oh god that concept "art" is horrible.

That cannot be real. It looks more like concept art for a fucking Sega Genesis (or if you want to stretch, a 32X!) game.

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oh god that concept "art" is horrible.

That cannot be real. It looks more like concept art for a fucking Sega Genesis (or if you want to stretch, a 32X!) game.

Prit sure the concept is NOT for the movie; it's someone's attempt to get hired.

And yes, it's horrible.

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Why the Bane hate? Done well, he's a pretty good fit. He's an orphan like Bruce, he's almost as smart and more than a match physically. It's just that instead of being raised by his father's awesome manservant he was raised in a prison. The Schumacher Bane is almost nothing like the Knightfall one.

 

And frankly besides having a few baser reasons (Hathaway in a catsuit, hopefully) I have to welcome the addition of Catwoman. Because without her around, Batman both in the comics and in Nolan's movies is a depressing, dour, joyless dick.

Is anyone here hating on Bane? I see more puzzlement, but I've not gone back read every post. (I have, for amusement, been lurking on SHH!'s boards - holy shit. What an amazing array of clueless shrieking fanboys.) Bane's appearance, at least, seems incredibly incongruous with the Nolanverse. I've no doubt that Nolan's going to give us his own interpretation (and undoubtedly better than the comics), but it is, at first blush, a very odd pairing.

I've been championing Catwoman's appearance in the Nolan films for a while. She can be easily integrated and, as you say, she can work really well to bring some life to a Bruce Wayne who's going to be even more humorless than ever, with Dent and Rachel dead and him taking the blame and becoming public enemy #1.
 

I think the thing that's most interesting here is that Hardy is charismatic as fuck, and any interpretation of Bane that's going to work will need that. I'm really starting to hope that he basically just plays it like Bronson hopped on a plane to Gotham to mix it up with Batman.

Tom Hardy as Bane?

Anne Hathaway as Catwoman?

I can dig it.

Shame, though, I was kinda hoping for Hugo Strange (although there's no reason that he can't be a minor character in the movie, and if so my dream casting begins and ends with Bryan Cranston).

I wonder if Nolan will just adapt the lead-up all the way to the "BREAK YOU" moment of Knightfall so other directors would have a bitch of a time operating in the Nolanverse continuity.

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There's no reason to name the character Selina Kyle unless there's going to be some Catwoman'ing going on.  She may not wear a mask or be called "Catwoman" but it would be pretty useless to not have her be a cat burglar or whatever.

 Yeah, I'm sure Nolan will have Anne Hathaway become Catwoman in the movie, but she won't call herself Catwoman even though she'll probably be involved in burglary somehow, and be labeled as a thief by law enforcement. However, I think she will become a love interest with Bruce Wayne as well, as a nod to the comic book. If Nolan want to use Selina Kyle that doesn't play up to her Catwoman alter ego, he could've called her Rachel Dawes (or any other generic name).