THEY’VE CHOSEN A SUPERMAN AND HE IS…

Man, he must have really really wanted to be Superman.  I mean, to be connected to two different Superman movies (McG's before he left and Singer came along to gay it up) in the span of like 5 years.  Not to mention how he was rumored to be in the front running for Batman before Bale landed it.  He's kind of like the Nic Cage of the 21st century.

Damn! I've never heard of this guy, and am unable to form an opinion of any kind.

But going for a non-star was probably a good idea.

Awesome News... I have no idea who this guy is, but I'm excited that within the next 48 hours, we are going to experience an tidal wave of Fan Manips!!!   

I like it.

You could crush walnuts with that jaw.

The only times I've heard of this guy were in regards to comic book movie casting. So the only opinion I can give is that he definitely looks the part.

So glad they're not going the CGI route for Superman.

All I know about this guy is that Stephenie Meyer really wanted him to portray Edward in the first Twilight movie and even mentioned him on her website.

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Awesome News... I have no idea who this guy is, but I'm excited that within the next 48 hours, we are going to experience an tidal wave of Fan Manips!!!   

It was quick and dirty but I think it's spot on.

No opinion 'til tights.

Poor Routh...

It's refreshing they picked so quickly, rather than have a long, drawn-out 'search' you would constantly hear about. Skipping all the nerd reports of 'casting calls', 'taking a meeting rumors', and 'wish lists'. So yeah, it's Superman. Back to snoozing.

Long as people keep casting him in small, but amazing roles, Routh will be fine. Still, him going down as the Lazenby of the Superman flicks is kinda sad.

No idea who this new dude is, but casting Clark has never been the problem. Let me know when Snyder doesn't fuck up casting Lois Lane.

Like most people, I've never heard of this guy but here's hoping he does a good job.

As for Routh, he may have only got to play Superman once in a major motion picture but it's still one more than 99.9% of people in the world. 

Pfft, too old.

Haven't seen any of his work outside of Count of Monte Cristo. He looks like a model for the most part. Hope he can bring more to the character than looks.

My worry is Snyder I was high on him after 300 and Watchmen but the Owl flick and Sucker Punch seem to have no substance and I think Superman can be great given the right storyline.

Here is hoping.

I can't wait for him to be a mopey, emo Clark Kent who doesn't put on the Superman suit until act 3.

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Long as people keep casting him in small, but amazing roles, Routh will be fine. Still, him going down as the Lazenby of the Superman flicks is kinda sad.

 

No idea who this new dude is, but casting Clark has never been the problem. Let me know when Snyder doesn't fuck up casting Lois Lane.

 

This, Lois is as important as Clark in this. Boseworth was an abomination but Durance is very good.

Not that I care personally, but another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: he'll be the first Brit to play Superman.

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No opinion 'til tights.

 

Poor Routh...

 

  I'm not trying to derail the thread. I just wanted to point out OHMSS is one of the best Bond movies.

He was great in The Tudors. Would have liked to see Routh play the role again. But, a good choice.

Oh, it's the son from Count of Monte Cristo?!  Wow... Didn't recognize him at all.  He was so boyish in that movie, but that was a decade ago after all...

He's good on The Tudors, but I'm shocked at this casting. 

Now go get Natalie Dormer for Lois.  Tudors reunion!

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  I'm not trying to derail the thread. I just wanted to point out OHMSS is one of the best Bond movies.

Tell that to Lazenby's bank account.

I'm happy for Cavill. I've never heard him with an American accent, but I guess all those past auditions made an impression.

The Superman franchise is a franchise that I've got very little invested in, and after the last boring entry, they can only go up. This guy has a vague Christopher Reeve thing going on that Routh had as well.

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Not that I care personally, but another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: he'll be the first Brit to play Superman.

Hopefully this doesn't become "a thing". Although it is a big chunk of Devin's write up. No one complaned about Bale/Batman so who knows.

I've never seen Cavill in any anything before so he's an unknown quantity to me. Which is great. Although I do feel bad for Routh.
 

Does it really matter who plays Superman?  Without a decent script, whoever's in the blue suit doesn't matter.  I mean, sure, he's good looking and he'll probably bulk up, but I'm more concerned with what's coming out of his mouth and the challenges he's facing.  Superman Returns was awesome visually, but it completely fell apart at the script level.

Batman is less linked to being an American icon, with an emphasis on American.  Captain America and Superman are much more linked to America, be it in name or "truth, justice and the American Way."

I doubt people cared about new Spider-man being played by someone that grew up in England.  I doubt it's going to come up that much.
 

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Not that I care personally, but another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: he'll be the first Brit to play Superman.

Hopefully this doesn't become "a thing". Although it is a big chunk of Devin's write up. No one complaned about Bale/Batman so who knows.

 

I've never seen Cavill in any anything before so he's an unknown quantity to me. Which is great. Although I do feel bad for Routh.
 

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OT: I'd love to hear what Joel Schumacher told him (Keaton) to have him drop the role.

Showed him the script?

Cavill looks like he'd make a fine Superman, but to me, it's all about what he does with Clark Kent. It doesn't work without that. I was going to come in here and beat a dead horse about how I find Snyder's talent increasingly suspect, but I think I'll lay off and be open to the possibility that this thing could come together with a little heart and some idea of how to bring Superman into the 21st century without it being Smallville or "Superman Begins".

Hey, it's the prissy PURE OF HEART kid from The Count of Monte Cristo! I don't remember seeing him in any other movie, but I'm willing to give him a shot. And I'm sure Routh is a nice guy, but I won't miss him in the role. He played a decent Kent, but his Superman was too cold and uncomfortable.

And... it begins....

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Not that I care personally, but another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: he'll be the first Brit to play Superman.

Hopefully this doesn't become "a thing". Although it is a big chunk of Devin's write up. No one complaned about Bale/Batman so who knows.

 

I've never seen Cavill in any anything before so he's an unknown quantity to me. Which is great. Although I do feel bad for Routh.
 

The difference with Bale was that he was nerd fantasy casting for Batman for years before Batman Begins.

Was I the only one, when reading the news, to think "the guy who played Jesus in Passion of the Christ"?

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Batman is less linked to being an American icon, with an emphasis on American.  Captain America and Superman are much more linked to America, be it in name or "truth, justice and the American Way."

 

I doubt people cared about new Spider-man being played by someone that grew up in England.  I doubt it's going to come up that much. 

I dunno about that Neo. I'm sure that's how Supes may be seen in the states by many, but you may be surprised how much Big Blue is deeply loved and adopted around the world as a character. Kal-El fell to Earth first and foremost afterall and there are plenty of immigrant nations - be they importers or exporters - that can deeply relate to the image Siegel and Shuster were going for.

As for this casting, I have no real problem with it, I'm more interested in getting an idea of the films script and tone.

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And... it begins....

 

If the end result comes close to this then I'm sold like a mofo.

I meant more in terms of casting actually.  Like how Captain America had to be played by an American. I guess with these other heroes it's less important, since they're less "American."

Apparently, they still gotta be white though.
 

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Originally Posted by neoolong 

Batman is less linked to being an American icon, with an emphasis on American.  Captain America and Superman are much more linked to America, be it in name or "truth, justice and the American Way."

 

I doubt people cared about new Spider-man being played by someone that grew up in England.  I doubt it's going to come up that much. 

I dunno about that Neo. I'm sure that's how Supes may be seen in the states by many, but you may be surprised how much Big Blue is deeply loved and adopted around the world as a character. Kal-El fell to Earth first and foremost afterall and there are plenty of immigrant nations - be they importers or exporters - that can deeply relate to the image Siegel and Shuster were going for.

 

As for this casting, I have no real problem with it, I'm more interested in getting an idea of the films script and tone.

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I meant more in terms of casting actually.  Like how Captain America had to be played by an American. I guess with these other heroes it's less important, since they're less "American."

 

Apparently, they still gotta be white though.
 

Yes Donald Glovers bridesmaid status remains....
 

Well, alright then.

looks right. i like it.

Maybe Nolan/Goyer's big idea was to adapt True Brit?

How cool would it be if they went for a Red Son type of story? Only instead of Superman crashing in the Ukraine, it's the UK? If you want to be cute he can crash in Kent. And emerge to the public right in the middle of the collapse of the British Empire?

I don't mean to blow my own horn but this is the best idea in the history of mankind. Or not. But I still think it's interesting.

Edit: Oh shit, I swear I didn't read the previous post.

Cavill's the guy who came within a pubic hair of being Bond, right? Nice that he finally landed a big one.

Devin mentioned the hole that is vacant in the film world right now when it comes to American actors who can hold their own as heroes (as he said we can do better than Ryan Reynolds which is hilarious because he's Canadian. This goes back to Cap America casting. It is what it is and I will take better actors from anywhere than vanilla American talent.

That being said there is a chasm and people in the industry need to take notice.

This reminds me of John Byrne re-writing Superman history in The Man of Steel so that a "birthing matrix" would crashland on Earth, and that Kal-El would then be "born" on American soil. I don't get it, I think he's more compelling as an immigrant. Therefore it doesn't matter what the heritage of the actor is to me as long as he fits the look. I'd even be fine with a non-Caucasian Superman, but that's a fight for the future...

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This reminds me of John Byrne re-writing Superman history in The Man of Steel so that a "birthing matrix" would crashland on Earth, and that Kal-El would then be "born" on American soil. I don't get it, I think he's more compelling as an immigrant. Therefore it doesn't matter what the heritage of the actor is to me as long as he fits the look. I'd even be fine with a non-Caucasian Superman, but that's a fight for the future...

Yeah, I always felt Superman worked better without any kind of national identity.  It makes the Christ metaphors that much more apparent.

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This reminds me of John Byrne re-writing Superman history in The Man of Steel so that a "birthing matrix" would crashland on Earth, and that Kal-El would then be "born" on American soil. I don't get it, I think he's more compelling as an immigrant. Therefore it doesn't matter what the heritage of the actor is to me as long as he fits the look. I'd even be fine with a non-Caucasian Superman, but that's a fight for the future...

Garth Ennis made the ultimate argument for this in "Hitman #34", which is easily one of the best Superman tales ever.

Oh you've got to be kidding me...
 

Henry Cavel? Henry Cavel? Far from being unknown to me, his name carries with it extremely negative connotations. I first heard of him years ago, back when BOND 21 was in the works. Cavel had been mentioned in connection with the film as a possible 007, and I'd initially balked at the idea. A 22 year old James Bond? Didn't seem right. After I went to see LAYERCAKE in July of Aught Four, I threw my chips in with Mr Craig, and hoped against hope that Eon would have the good sense to cast an adult in the role. As luck would have it, Craig won out and the Bond franchise is the better for it. Cavel's name disappeared from the headlines, and all was right in the world
 

Then, in 2007, as my favorite thing of all time (ROME) was ending, a little show called "THE TUDORS" came out. Trashy, silly and stuffed to the brim with performers of questionable merit, the TUDORS was a boring slog mired in Christian morality, hardly a fitting replacement for the "hot, wild city" that was Rome

For some reason unknown to science, I stuck with TUDORS and eventually watched every episode of all four seasons. Having endured every last minute of that mind numbing drudgery, I feel like I am as qualified as anyone alive to comment on the skills of Mr Henry Cavel
 

In short? The emperor has no clothes. He's as bland as toast, and only half as bright. Lacking even the most basic level of charisma usually expected of a series lead on a major television production, he's as ill suited to shoulder the responsibilities of carrying a major franchise film as anyone I can imagine. He may be handsome, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what else the actor has going for him. It sure isn't his ability to deliver a compelling performance. When Jonathan Reese Meyers makes you look like a soap opera amateur on an episode by episode basis for four years running, perhaps it's time to pack it in
 

His role on TUDORS, interestingly enough, should give us some insight into how he'd fare in the blue tights. On TUDORS, he's tasked with playing the sometimes conflicted but morally pure good guy, the voice of reason. He utterly fails to make the role interesting. Worse still, he is a black hole of charisma, neither capable of enlivening the staid proceedings  nor, perhaps more troublingly, even delivering his lines in a believable manner

He's the very definition of "bland pretty boy", and I fear he has nothing to offer a major production like Superman

The character of Kal El is one studios have struggled with for decades. How do you make the Boy Scout interesting? In a world awash with fascinating, lively anti heroes, it's sometimes tough to make good old fashioned do gooding seem cinematic. Henry Cavel's career offers irrefutable proof that it's a task for which he couldn't be less suited

He looks the part, and that's about it. The guys a zero, and more than Snyder it's this news that gives me the most pause about this project. Sure, there might be compelling action, music and if we're lucky, even a rousing story. Unfortunately, the casting of Henry Cavel cancels all of that out. It's KINGDOM OF HEAVEN syndrome. When your lead is a dud, no matter what else your movie has going for it sometimes that deficit is impossible to overcome
 

Mark my words: Cavel is terrible. Bond dodged a bullet but SM wasn't so lucky. He's going to be terrible, but playing Cassandra to Nolan's SM gives me no pleasure. I wanted to like this movie, but I feel like it's important to at least speak up and let people know what they're in for with this guy

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RIP, Brandon Routh's SM. You truly were super, man

"Cavill."