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post #101 of 141

No way, Nick.  At the end of the day, Flagg is a thoroughly evil guy, but he's also a complete fuck-up.

 

And I'll say it one more time for the record: Bradley Cooper is Randall Flagg.  The guy is charismatic as hell, can bring the crazy eyes and smile, and can go dark (see, for example, Midnight Meat Train).

post #102 of 141
Vincent D'Onofrio as Cmdr. Starkey could narrate the apocalypse in a semi-suicidal monotone.

Or he could play the "doctor" from Project Blue who Stu goes up against. In fact, I'd kind of like to see that more.

Alone in a hospital with Vincent D'Onofrio in a hazmat suit... (shudder)

Maybe they could combine the two characters.

As a stand-alone human threat, he'd be almost as good as a Shining-era Jack Nicholson. "Ever heard of Yeets, Eames? We read him at the Point..."
Edited by DrTerwilliker - 4/29/11 at 12:36pm
post #103 of 141
The following was suggested by Arjen Rudd. in the Recasting thread, he picked many of the same people mentioned above, but for different roles!
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Originally posted by Arjen Rudd here

All right, this has probably already been done, maybe even by me (memory snap-it was, but 1960s version), but the news piece on the front page has forced my hand. That and insomnia!

The Stand (2012)

Dir. Darren Aronofsky

Stu Redman: Christian Bale
Frannie Goldsmith: Natalie Portman
Nick Andros: Sam Rockwell
Larry Underwood: Bradley Cooper
Randall Flagg: Jeremy Renner
Lloyd Henreid: Walton Goggins
Trashcan Man: Peter Sarsgaard
Mother Abigail: Phylicia Rashad
Tom Cullen: Kevin Corrigan
Genn Bateman: Terry O'Quinn
Harold Lauder: Jesse Eisenberg
Nadine Cross: Michelle Williams
Ralph Brentner: David Morse
Judge Farris: Ciaran Hinds
post #104 of 141
Alternate possibilities:

Paul Bettany (with dark hair) as Nick Andros
Liev Schreiber as Larry Underwood
Chris Pine as Tom Cullen (hmm...)
Daryl Sabara as Harold Lauder
Tim Blake Nelson as Trashcan Man

I still like tommy five-tone's suggestion of James Frecheville as Harold Lauder
more than anything, though.
post #105 of 141

I can't get behind Arjen's casting for Flagg and Nadine; physically, they're all wrong. Renner is all quick, furious action and passion. That's not really Flagg; plus, Renner looks NOTHING like Flagg is described in the books.

 

Williams is also, IMNSHO, a misfire for Nadine. Nadine needs to be more lushly sexy, and a more primal physical presence. Williams is more waiflike and elfin.

 

Bale as Stu is intriguing, though, and I like it.

post #106 of 141

If there's any character that Renner should play, it's Lloyd.

post #107 of 141

Yeah, that'd be a very good fit.

post #108 of 141



 

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Originally Posted by DrTerwilliker View Post

Alternate possibilities:

Liev Schreiber as Larry Underwood
Chris Pine as Tom Cullen (hmm...)
Daryl Sabara as Harold Lauder
Tim Blake Nelson as Trashcan Man

I still like tommy five-tone's suggestion of James Frecheville as Harold Lauder
more than anything, though.


I love LOVE your Harold and Trashcan Man suggestions. Especially Trashcan Man because, as much as I love the guy, I think Jackie Earle Haley should take a little bit of a break. At the same time, before reading this, I couldn't think of anyone better for the role.

 

Liev Schreiber would be my choice for Flagg sooner than he would be for Larry(although I think he could knock Larry out of the park as well).

 

My personal choices for Larry would be Colin Farrell(was he already suggested?), or Charlie Hunnam from Sons of Anarchy.

 

I don't disagree that Sabara and James Frenchville are inspired choices for Harold (they are), but I would like to suggest Jonah Hill as a back up choice. The only snag, at the risk of sounding like a dick, would be Hill having a legitimate weight problem. I think Harold's weight loss, which was pretty unhealthy if I recall, had a big part of destroying his mental state aside from the supernatural reason of Flagg.

 

My choice for Cullen? Before I throw down, I'd please like to pre-emptively plead that I'm not trying to be an asshole, and I truly think this would be an awesome and inspiring performance:

 

chrisburke.jpg

post #109 of 141
Stu - Matthew McConaughey, if he can keep his shirt on.
Frannie - Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Zooey Deschanel, or Olivia Wilde.
Harold - Michael Cera, or Johnny Simmons
Nick - Joesph Gordon Levitt
Larry - Bradley Cooper
Nadine - Marisa Tomei, or maybe Carla Gugino.
Lloyd - Walter Goggins
Trashcan - Crispin Glover
Flagg - Daniel Day Lewis, remember, this is also fan casting for the Dark Tower. You need someone bad ass enough to go up against Javier Bardem. Although, I was intrigued by the suggestion of Robert Downey Jr.
post #110 of 141

M-O-O-N that spells Down Syndrome.

 

...Did Tom Cullen have Down Syndrome?

 

Laws, NO...

post #111 of 141

Arnold for Tom Cullen... M-O-O-N  that spells PERFECT... lol

post #112 of 141



 

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M-O-O-N that spells Down Syndrome.

 

...Did Tom Cullen have Down Syndrome?

 

Laws, NO...



Shit, it's been a minute, and checking the wikipedia description of Cullen says you're absolutely right. 

 

I'm not the first person to jump to this conclusion in regards to Tom Cullen because I'm willing to bet Bill Fagerbakke was cast, and why he's one of the mini's assets, is because he, well(can't think of any delicate way to put this), looks like he has Down's Syndrome.

 

And I'm sure that if Chris Burke were cast as Cullen, it wouldn't be mean-spirited. I really think he'd be great. Also, the Down Sydrome factor(while I admit it's prominent) isn't the only thing dictacting my logic. I think Chris Burke's age is kind of hard to pinpoint in the picture I embedded above due to a cherubic look that can easily fool anyone. This would also come in handy for whoever would be cast as Flagg to convey confusion.

 

The trick is that whoever writes and directs this needs to understand that M-O-O-N does NOT spell "full retard". 

 


Edited by Walker - 4/30/11 at 1:25pm
post #113 of 141

I'm with you all the way, Walker.  I think it's the kind of considered, not to mention brave casting that's usually lacking nowadays.

post #114 of 141

Thanks, Soylent!

 

And casting Down's Syndrome actors isn't a new thing for Stephen King. It was done, and was a strength, in Kingdom Hospital(which took it's cue from Lars Von Trier's original series).

post #115 of 141
Why not reunite Ocean's 11 for the cast?

George Clooney as Flagg
Eddie Izzard as Larry
Matt Damon as Stu
Brad Pitt as Trashcan Man a la 12 Monkeys
Bernie Mac (CGI) as the Judge
Elliott Gould as Glen Bateman
Don Cheadle as Father Abagail
Casey Affleck as Harold in fat makeup
Scott Caan as Lloyd
Eddie Jemison as Tom Cullen
Shaobo Qin as Nick
Carl Reiner as Fran's Dad

and featuring...

Julia Roberts as Frannie Ocean

(Siegried and Roy as the Monster Shouter, Wayne Newton in a cameo as miniseries guitarist "Snuffy" Walden) On second thought... let's don't and say we did.
post #116 of 141
Quote:
I can't get behind Arjen's casting for Flagg and Nadine; physically, they're all wrong. Renner is all quick, furious action and passion. That's not really Flagg; plus, Renner looks NOTHING like Flagg is described in the books. Williams is also, IMNSHO, a misfire for Nadine. Nadine needs to be more lushly sexy, and a more primal physical presence. Williams is more waiflike and elfin.

I mentioned in a previous message on the last page that I saw Nadine as very attractive, but grown woman who tries to hide her beauty somewhat (at least that's what I meant, smile.gif) not a supermodel waif. But perhaps Michelle Williams would make a good love interest for Larry? Hmm, I can't remember her name, which is a bad sign, maybe a reason to combine her character with Dayna Jurgens and have Dayna be Larry's "wife" in Boulder? No wait, that complicates things because Dayna's a lesbian... why would Larry leave Nadine for a lesbian, besides the obvious I mean? It would certainly solve his dillemma...

of choosing between the two and shunning Nadine, I mean. If Dayna were combined with Larry's "wife".

I read the Popwatch thread on this, and they (well, the responses anyway) had some interesting suggestions:

Josh Brolin as Stu
Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Nick

And Stephen Colbert as Flagg -- Of ourse, Popwatch author thought Ringwald was GREAT! in the miniseries, and suggested replacing her with an Olsen sister.

He also took the Downs syndrome route, suggesting a gender-flipped Lauren Potter from Glee as Tom Cullen.

I must say again that unless you're dolling him up in Western garb a la Deadwood, I think Olyphant looks much more like Larry in the miniseries, he's the same age.
post #117 of 141

I think Olyphant would be much better as Stu; I just don't see Olyphant convincingly playing someone who starts out as shallow as Larry. Brolin's inspired casting for Stu, too, though.

 

Larry's common-law wife in Boulder was Lucy.

post #118 of 141

What's funny about this thread is that several actors are mentioned that could be great for a multitiude of roles here. I mentioned earlier that Jeremy Renner should play Lloyd more than anyone, but I could also kinda see him playing Stu as well. Maybe even Larry.

 

I can see Olyphant as both Larry and Stu. It's just the fresh factor of Justified that's kinda hard to shake when not trying to associate him with the character sketch of Stu. His roles in Go and Scream 2 make me think he'd also be a solid choice for Lloyd.

 

Bradley Cooper would be an interesting choice for Larry, Flagg, and with a little stretching: Stu.

 

Joseph Gordon Leavitt's name was dropped for Nick Andros, and that's pretty good. He'd also be a great choice for Harold.

 

At the risk of derailing this thread, I'm calling what I described the "William Hurt Watchmen Principle" because the guy, back in his day, would have been a great choice for Nite Owl, Dr. Manhatten, or Veidt.

post #119 of 141
By the "William Hurt Watchmen Principle" you mean the notion that an actor is made for multiple roles in a single movie? or the universal principle that William Hurt was made for Watchmen specifically?

Perhaps in an alternate universe... perhaps even in the Stand universe. Thereby setting off a chain of events that would lead to the end of the world... was this the comic Bobby Terry was reading in Alternate 1991?

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And hey, Larry has the same dilemma as Nite Owl in the book, assuming Lucy Swann is blond (and a lesbian if we combine her with Dayna Jurgens for the sake of "time", heh)!

(Fan-wank explanation: in the original Stand one of the characters was reading a Howard the Duck comic, in the 1991 Stand it was a TMNT Comic. You know, to be current and up to the minute!)
post #120 of 141

I really don't know what to say to that.

post #121 of 141

I do remember the Howard the Duck reference. The comic made him feel glad the world as it was ended.

post #122 of 141
You know, the EW Popwatch thread on casting The Stand actually has some really good (and bad) casting suggestions by bloggers there. Not the article, the (huge) discussion thread.

The one I'm surprised no one's mentioned is Eddie Vedder for Flagg:

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I've heard it said for years, but only recently wondered: is this a possibility? What do you think?

He even has that "vagrant Jesus" thing going on. Perfect for a false messiah. I could definitely see him in a Canadian Tuxedo (jeans + mullet) and still look menacing.

They could even get the kid from his "Jeremy" video to play Harold.
post #123 of 141
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I really don't know what to say to that.
Don't worry, it's not a real Archie comic. Except in the Stand universe, perhaps.
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I do remember the Howard the Duck reference. The comic made him feel glad the world as it was ended.
Good thing he didn't survive to see the movie (ba-dump tishhh!)
 
Edited by DrTerwilliker - 5/1/11 at 2:49pm
post #124 of 141

Man, I was all set to post that Archie Watchmen comic in the "The fact that this exists is hilarious" thread.

 

Then you took that away from me!!!!!

post #125 of 141
Settin' em up, and knockin' em down!!!

I'm serious about the Vedder thing, though.
post #126 of 141

Vedder's certainly satanic looking enough.

post #127 of 141
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Thanks, Soylent!

 

And casting Down's Syndrome actors isn't a new thing for Stephen King. It was done, and was a strength, in Kingdom Hospital(which took it's cue from Lars Von Trier's original series).



I agree, but Tom doesn't LOOK retarded in the novel...he's just a big hick in bib-overalls with the mind of a child.

 

From the KingWiki

 

Tom Cullen

Tom Cullen is a man initially thought to be in his mid-20's to mid-30's who suffers from mild to moderate mental retardation. Nick encounters him while cycling from Arkansas to Nebraska through Oklahoma. After Nick learns that Tom remembers his father's return from the Korean War, he realizes Tom must be much older than he thought, perhaps in his 40's. The two bond closely, despite the fact that Nick cannot speak, and Tom cannot read Nick’s notes, though when the two encounter Ralph Brentner, Tom is finally able to learn Nick's name.

Tom generally possesses a childish speech pattern, peppered with exclamations of "My laws!" and "Laws, yes!" and he makes frequent references to himself in the third person. Tom also believes that everything is spelled "M-O-O-N" as in "M-O-O-N, that spells 'my main man'." When needing to make a logical connection, Tom, who is sometimes capable of normal thought, may slip into a form of self-hypnosis wherein he is able to make connections that he cannot while "awake" (that is, conscious and focused on something superficial). Nick, Stu, and Glen use this ability to place a post-hypnotic suggestion in Tom that will help him to act as the third Free Zone spy. During his hypnosis, Nick, Stu, and Glen discover that while hypnotized, Tom possesses the same type of foresight as Mother Abagail, referring to himself as the same Tom that Nick met in Oklahoma, but at the same time he proclaims himself to be "God’s Tom".

Tom travels West, giving a hypnotically imprinted cover story to get accepted into Las Vegas, and is able to avoid detection by Flagg. Tom’s anonymity seems to stem from his disability, as Flagg tells Dayna that every time he tries to see the third spy, all he sees is the moon; this confirms Dayna's sighting of Tom earlier (while both were on Vegas work crews), and her desire to protect both Tom and his status as a spy compels her to commit suicide rather than submit to further questioning by Flagg. The sight of the full moon rising over Las Vegas triggers Tom’s post-hypnotic suggestion, and he begins the return trip to Boulder, appropriately noting "M-O-O-N, that spells moon."

During his return to Boulder, he encounters Stu, who is suffering from a broken leg and pneumonia due to exposure. Originally, Tom was far east of where Stu fell, but a prophetic dream tells him that he must double back to find Stu. With help from Nick's spirit, who appears to him in visions (due to the fact that Nick is already deceased due to Harold Lauder's bomb), Tom is able to nurse a delirious and dying Stu back to health while they are snowed in for much of the winter at a motel in central Utah. Together, they return to Boulder to report the destruction of Las Vegas.

 

You don't need the sign-posts of Down to hammer the point home.

 

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Vedder's certainly satanic looking enough.



...Like you seem to be invested in here.

Let the AUDIENCE THINK, dammit!!

 

post #128 of 141

 

Quote: Graham

You don't need the sign-posts of Down to hammer the point home. 

 

I won't disagree with that, but I still think it would be something to behold to watch and not feel condescening.

 

And I'll admit that a good chunk of the reason why I advocate this is because I mostly hate watching performers play mentally challenged people, even if it's with good intentions. For every actor that does a good and classy job, there are 5 performances like Cuba in Radio.

post #129 of 141
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I won't disagree with that, but I still think it would be something to behold to watch and not feel condescening.

 

And I'll admit that a good chunk of the reason why I advocate this is because I mostly hate watching performers play mentally challenged people, even if it's with good intentions. For every actor that does a good and classy job, there are 5 performances like Cuba in Radio.


Condescending that an actor could play someone mentally challenged?

I'm just down on it, because that's NOT how the charactor was written...and (to put all my cards on said table), my daughter is Down, she's a superb mimic and has GREAT acting chops...but not (gender differences aside) what King was going for with Cullen.

 

...and I don't believe ANY Down-Person could survive Captain Tripps...

 

post #130 of 141



 

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Condescending that an actor could play someone mentally challenged?

I'm just down on it, because that's NOT how the charactor was written...and (to put all my cards on said table), my daughter is Down, she's a superb mimic and has GREAT acting chops...but not (gender differences aside) what King was going for with Cullen.

 

...and I don't believe ANY Down-Person could survive Captain Tripps...

 



Whenever I see scenes from I Am Sam, The Other Sister, or Radio I always flashback to the kids at my school cruelly imitating the mentally challenged kids. That's something I don't want with a character like Cullen. Suggesting a real Downs person for the role was my idea of nullifying that. Pure and simple.

 

That said, I'm going to step down because you really have a lot more knowledge about this than I do(and what I do have I got from The Ringer so I am really outclassed).

 

post #131 of 141

Hey, no BIGGY, my man!

 

I actually TOTALLY get where you're coming from...and I guess most of the public would as well.

 

I just don't believe the charactor King was trying to portray would work with what you describe.

...but, like I say, I'm biased in this respect...

 

Apologies.

post #132 of 141

Nah, I don't think Cullen had Down's, either. I don't think King would've pulled punches in using the telltale physical descriptors for the condition if Tom had them.

post #133 of 141



 

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Hey, no BIGGY, my man!

 

I actually TOTALLY get where you're coming from...and I guess most of the public would as well.

 

I just don't believe the charactor King was trying to portray would work with what you describe.

...but, like I say, I'm biased in this respect...

 

Apologies.



No harm, no foul.

 

I still think Fagerbakke was cast because he kinda sorta(maybe not really) pulls off the physical look. That's probably what got my wheels spinning on this idea(I watched the mini before I read the "complete" book).

post #134 of 141

wouldnt a mini series be the best bet? surly 13 1 hour episodes would get the best possible version, even a 3 hours film would be horrible. and with the production values of the HBO stuff these days, it would seem the only logical way to go.


 

post #135 of 141
See, this is what I would like to see in theaters (instead of all the horrid CGI talking animal and robots in 3D movie posters).

I actually finished this right before the news came on Sunday night, so... yeah.

It's a trilogy, note.

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I'm still working on the background graphics, I apologize for my limited Photoshop skills.
post #136 of 141
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Vedder's certainly satanic looking enough.

...Like you seem to be invested in here.

Let the AUDIENCE THINK, dammit!!


I think Vedder would be an inspired choice, and not just because it's been suggested over the years (including by King back when the miniseries was made, IIRC... but given King's bad mojo with casting decisions, I could be wrong. Anyway, it's been suggested by many people in the past, I didn't come up with it.) He actually looks like Flagg is described in the books... at least when he was younger, and aging the character up wouldn't hurt his believability.

And Vedder has a near-universal reputation as a nice guy, which helps the character (playng against type). Although he can do dark, obviously... the question is can he act?
post #137 of 141
I have to admit, tho, it's hard to pass up the notion of Tom Cruise as Flagg.

It'd be seen as stunt casting, though, and the movie would be boycotted by people obsessed with Scientology who assumed it was another Battlefield Earth.
post #138 of 141
Any news on this lately? Given how Game of Thrones is shaping up, it's a damn shame this is being brought to us by Warner Brothers and CBS Films --

I suppose CBS Films could do it as a miniseries on TV again but they don't have the reputation that HBO does, and WB is only involved to make a movie.

I bet when they find out it's not a quick buck movie, that it wouldn't work as one film, Warner Bros may drop it in development hell. mad.gif
post #139 of 141

Ok, I'll get in on some of this fan-casting.  Dominic West as Flagg!  Anyone else getting on board with that?   That's all I got. Except that if Warner Bros tries to squeeze the whole story into one film, they might as well just scrap the project all together. 

post #140 of 141

Fassbender as Flagg, Stu, and Mother Abigal...

post #141 of 141
So, has there been any updates on this, or is this the only thread on the topic? If nothing more has happened, we can probably look forward to CBS Films pitching a single movie straight into development hell.
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