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post #101 of 117
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NickP, if you have the time, you could volunteer for the campaign to recall the 8 GOP senators:  http://www.recalltherepublican8.com/ 

 

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It's amazing to me that there was this huge rally in Madison on Saturday, with likely over 100,000 people, including farmers on their tractors and the returning 14 Dem state senators, and you wouldn't know it from the news.  Just crickets.  It's amazing to see the damage of media consolidation in action.  

 

In other news, one of the Republican state senators up for a recall was just outed as living out of the district with his 25 year-old lobbyist mistress.  His wife and the family maid are both signing the recall petition. 

 

 

 

 

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It's amazing to me that there was this huge rally in Madison on Saturday, with likely over 100,000 people, including farmers on their tractors and the returning 14 Dem state senators, and you wouldn't know it from the news.  Just crickets.  It's amazing to see the damage of media consolidation in action.  

 

In other news, one of the Republican state senators up for a recall was just outed as living out of the district with his 25 year-old lobbyist mistress.  His wife and the family maid are both signing the recall petition. 

 

 

 

 



I've seen the protest on the news, but there's no doubt it's not getting the headlines it deserves.  In fairness to the media, Japan and Libya are in the midst of hell, while the federal government might shut down and gas prices are soaring.  There's bad news everywhere.

post #104 of 117
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I've seen the protest on the news, but there's no doubt it's not getting the headlines it deserves.  In fairness to the media, Japan and Libya are in the midst of hell, while the federal government might shut down and gas prices are soaring.  There's bad news everywhere.

 

No doubt.  The tragedy in Japan is unbelievable and the situation in Libya is still escalating.  But CNN is a 24-hour news channel.  Even Fox has more coverage of Madison than CNN (albeit all negative).  Al Jazeera is on top of Japan, Libya, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, US and UK government issues, the Ivory Coast, Mexico, and many more stories and STILL has a crew in Madison. 

post #105 of 117

I think with stuff like this, most major news organizations are like "we covered it, that's enough" without really focusing on recent developments, or just the blatant corruption from ramming this bill through.

 

I think it's curious that we haven't heard from many conservatives lately in this thread either.  I guess Snaieke is having a hard time finding a credible crackpot to link to so that he can justify this bullshit to himself. 

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I think with stuff like this, most major news organizations are like "we covered it, that's enough" without really focusing on recent developments, or just the blatant corruption from ramming this bill through.

 

I think it's curious that we haven't heard from many conservatives lately in this thread either.  I guess Snaieke is having a hard time finding a credible crackpot to link to so that he can justify this bullshit to himself. 



LOL.  I think "conservatives" have the smug self-satisfaction of *winning* right now.  Walker won this battle without a doubt, but I think he's going to lose the war.  What he's doing in Wisconsin, along with what all the other Republican governors are doing, amounts to racketeering.  None of them campaigned on crushing unions yet there's an organized, focused, lockstep action going on that is clearly planned--in Indiana, Michigan, New Hampshire, Ohio, borderline in New Jersey, Florida, and on and on (in California we dodged a bullet by passing on the horrific Meg Whitman).  

 

What's happening in Michigan is just totally insane--giving the governor there the power to declare an economic police state wherein he can appoint a commissar to go into a town and dissolve contracts and privatize at will.  I really, really hope that Michiganders rise up and fight this the way they're fighting in Wisconsin.  I do believe that Wisconsinites are going to prevail--I believe they're going to follow through with their recalls of Republican state senators and that next year they will recall Walker.  The guy is a total gangster, and not the good kind.  He's not even a Corleone; he's some second or third string flunky doing the boss' business without blinking.  Ugh.  Who are these people!

post #107 of 117

The lack of recent media coverage is pretty much because it sounds like an old story. But what's going on in these states is blatant corruption. I mean, I'm not sure of the legalities and all that, but to subvert the local governments (something so un-conservative, it's no wonder that most conservatives are mum (they're out of power for 2-4 years and wtf?)) and the unions and all these low-to-middle income people, well, it just feels parasitic.

 

Yeah, I did the double parentheses.

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a credible crackpot to link to

Sigged.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-H6bldEvqI

 

“IF WE ARE CONCENTRATED INTO A SINGLE FORCE WHILE HE IS FRAGMENTED INTO TEN, THEN WE ATTACK HIM WITH TEN TIMES HIS STRENGTH. THUS WE ARE MANY AND THE ENEMY IS FEW. IF WE CAN ATTACK HIS FEW WITH OUR MANY, THOSE WHO WE ENGAGE IN BATTLE WILL BE SEVERELY CONSTRAINED.” – SUN TZU’S ART OF WAR

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Looking here, there are less than 200K pledges for Walker's recall -- anybody from WI willing to predict/bet that you'll have the 540K+ signatures by January 3, 2012?

Also, looking at the Government Accountability Board recall website, every targeted senator has more than the minimum number of signatures to initiate recall. I gather the word "bipartisan" isn't in the political lexicon nowadays?

Finally, is the Lt Gov, Kleefisch, a necessary target or will she be a unfortunate distraction?

Obviously politics are in a bit of a slumber in the frozen north at the moment ...
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Looking here, there are less than 200K pledges for Walker's recall -- anybody from WI willing to predict/bet that you'll have the 540K+ signatures by January 3, 2012?

Also, looking at the Government Accountability Board recall website, every targeted senator has more than the minimum number of signatures to initiate recall. I gather the word "bipartisan" isn't in the political lexicon nowadays?

Finally, is the Lt Gov, Kleefisch, a necessary target or will she be a unfortunate distraction?

Obviously politics are in a bit of a slumber in the frozen north at the moment ...


I wish that I lived in Wisconsin to be a part of this.  It's the most encouraging sign of the power of democracy against corporate power that I've seen take place in the US in a long time.  Very inspiring!

post #112 of 117
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Could Walker and his cronies get any griftier?  Every day a new gross detail.

 

 

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2 county officials accused of taking veterans' funds

By Daniel Bice, Steve Schultze and Jason Stein of the Journal

 

 

Two Milwaukee County officials appointed by Scott Walker when he was county executive were charged Thursday with embezzling more than $60,000 intended for veterans and their families, instead using the stolen funds on everything from Caribbean cruises to wedding expenses to renewing Walker-for-governor websites.

 

Prosecutors are accusing the two men - Timothy D. Russell, Walker's one-time deputy chief of staff, and county veterans official Kevin Kavanaugh - with multiple felonies as part of the ongoing John Doe investigation into Walker staffers. The pair is accused of stealing the funds at different times using separate means.

 

Prosecutors also charged a third man - Brian Pierick, Russell's domestic partner - with two felonies for child enticement.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/three-charged-in-john-doe-investigation-of-walker-aides-o63mivs-136748913.html

post #113 of 117

And you though Walker was a Koch sucker before...

 

He either thinks he's untouchable (due to the Koch Bros.) and won't get kicked out of office or he realizes that his days are numbered and is going to do the most damage possible before he gets axed.

 

any WI members here with local details?

 

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Walker signs bevy of bills into law
51 pieces of legislation include abortion issues, sex education


Madison - Gov. Scott Walker has signed bills putting new restrictions on abortion, requiring schools that teach sex education to promote marriage and barring those who are discriminated against at work from suing for punitive damages in state court.

Democrats blasted Walker and his fellow Republicans in the Legislature for advancing policies that they say amount to a "war on women."

"He might have thought none of us are watching because it's Good Friday, but all of us women are watching," said former Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk, one of four Democrats competing to run against Walker in a June 5 recall election.

Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie declined to comment Friday on why the governor backed the four bills, which were among 51 pieces of legislation he signed late Thursday. His office announced the signings Friday.

Walker also signed a bill requiring lawmakers to disclose who is sponsoring budget earmarks and a measure to prevent voucher schools programs from automatically expanding to Green Bay and other cities.

The new laws would:

   -Require schools that teach sex education to promote marriage and tell students that abstinence is the only reliable way to prevent pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. The change in law also allows public schools to teach abstinence-only courses, which had been barred since 2010 under a law Democrats approved when they controlled state government.
    
   -Prevent people subjected to employment discrimination from seeking punitive and compensatory damages in state court.

   -Require doctors to consult with patients face-to-face - rather than via Web camera - when administering abortion-inducing drugs. That measure would also require doctors to speak privately with women seeking abortions to ensure they were not being coerced, and physicians could face felonies for ignoring the law.

   -Prohibit insurance plans offered in Wisconsin under the federal health care reform law from covering some abortions.

The federal health care law, approved in 2010 by Democrats, requires states to set up exchanges that serve as marketplaces for individuals and small businesses for insurance coverage that for some consumers is subsidized by taxpayers. Under the law signed by Walker, plans offered through Wisconsin's exchange could cover abortions only in cases of sexual assault, incest and the health or life of the woman.
Discrimination law changes

Jeff Hynes, president of the Wisconsin Employment Lawyers Association, said the change to the state's discrimination law tells employers who mistreat workers that "you can get away with it every time."

Employees who say they have suffered discrimination can file a complaint with the state Department of Workforce Development to be reinstated to their jobs and receive back pay, costs and attorney's fees.

Democrats in 2009 changed the law to allow employees or the department after that process to sue an employer in circuit court for compensatory and punitive damages. Wronged employees could receive up to $300,000, depending on the seriousness of the claims and the size of the businesses.

The law Walker approved takes away the ability to go to court for compensatory and punitive damages, though people still have the ability to seek back pay.

Hynes said most cases don't involve significant back pay. He said Walker's changes mean there will be no remedy under state employment law for women who are groped at work or repeatedly face sexual advances, as well as for minorities who are subjected to racial epithets.

He noted that late last year, Walker signed a bill that puts limits on the amount of attorneys' fees victims can recover in lawsuits. That makes it even less likely that wronged employees will take their cases to state court because lawyers will be unlikely to accept even strong cases because they won't be able to get more than a fraction of their pay, he said.

"The governor and the Republican leadership in Wisconsin have effectuated a one-two punch with respect to employees' rights to get any meaningful remedy" in discrimination cases, he said.

Tom O'Day, a lawyer who represents businesses of all sizes in employment cases, said the 2009 law led to businesses paying out larger settlements to employees in cases where they did not believe they had done anything wrong because of the risk of having to pay large awards. Walker's action will free up money so employers invest in their companies and create jobs, he said.

"More than anything, this is a jobs bill," he said.

O'Day noted that wronged employees can take their cases to federal court. Hynes, the attorney for employees, said that is prohibitively expensive in most cases.

Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend), who sponsored the measure, said it puts Wisconsin in line with neighboring states.

"The old law made Wisconsin not competitive from a business perspective," he said. "To give $300,000 in punitive damages when the actual damages might be four or five thousand dollars causes Wisconsin business to pay out additional money to deal with frivolous claims."

Walker also signed a bill that prevents the state's school voucher programs from moving to new parts of the state.

The state allows qualifying students from certain areas to attend religious schools and other private institutions at taxpayer expense using vouchers that are worth about $6,400 a year.

The voucher program has been in place in Milwaukee for 20 years, and Republicans in June included a provision in the state budget that established one like it in eastern Racine County. The budget measure would have eventually allowed similar ones in other school districts such as Green Bay when they met certain criteria.

Some Republicans, led by Senate President Mike Ellis of Neenah, joined Democrats in opposing further expansions of the program, and legislative leaders reached a deal last summer to prevent Green Bay or other new cities from having voucher schools. Walker's approval locks that agreement into state law.

Walker also signed a bill to provide more transparency on earmarks in the state budget. The measure requires the Legislature's nonpartisan budget office to produce a report listing the lawmakers who request the local spending items in the budget along with what legislative districts benefit from those items.

 

 


Edited by VTRan - 4/7/12 at 4:17pm
post #114 of 117

The polls aren't showing very good news for the Democrats.  The election is soon, and Walker's outspending Barrett by quite a bit, thanks to outside money.  More surprisingly, Wisconsin seems to have turned into a swing state in recent days, whereas, it was regarded as a clear Obama winner for a rather long time.

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The polls aren't showing very good news for the Democrats.  The election is soon, and Walker's outspending Barrett by quite a bit, thanks to outside money.  More surprisingly, Wisconsin seems to have turned into a swing state in recent days, whereas, it was regarded as a clear Obama winner for a rather long time.

 

It would be such an incredible moment to see a true grassroots movement take power from this turkey as a direct response to his corporate button-pushing.  All my fingers are crossed for Wisconsin!

post #116 of 117

I'm very afraid of what will occur if Walker is NOT recalled.

It will embolden the anti-government political machinery that are behind Walker (Koch Bros., ALEC, Heartland Institute). They will use it as a springboard to pull the same kind of nefarious shit in other states (more so than they already are). 

The amount of money being shoveled into Wisconsin right now by these plutocratic right-wing fucktards is truly unprecedented (I don't even want to ponder how much $$ is going to be spent in the Presidential election, it makes me ill.

 

It would seem that Walker and his cronies are not above using really dirty political tricks...

 

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Scott Walker and Cronies Prove No Low is Too Low

 

Be forewarned. This is a rant. It is not a test of the emergency rant system. It is an outright, full-throated rant.

 

That image is of a full-page newspaper ad taken out in the Janesville Gazette, the local newspaper in Paul Ryan's district. What it is, is thuggery in typeset letters. The names you can't read in the image are the names of teachers in Janesville who signed the petition to recall Scott Walker. Next to their names, is their salary. At the bottom of the ad, there is a space to sign to "opt-out" of any teacher's classroom who signed the petition.

 

This is part of the strategy the Heartland Institute laid out for breaking the teachers' union and holding onto the their water boy, Scott Walker. According to Blogging Blue, this is part of an intimidation strategy to suppress enthusiasm, free speech, and the right to have a voice in one's government. Cognitive Dissidence outlines the strategy as outlined in Heartland's 2012 Funding Plan, released in January:

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post #117 of 117

What the Republicans don't get is that they're fucking over themselves to a large extent with the disruptions they've created to state government. Cut funding to the UW system, pay higher tuition and perhaps have less qualified potential employees. Turn down the high speed rail package, have to transfer over $100 million from road transportation projects to rail transportation projects that would have been funded by the Feds. See mass retirements in senior government employees, watch road projects get delayed and potentially delay the WDNR review of the City of Waukesha water application so that they won't meet the required deadlines and will have to go for a more expensive option. The last is a real poison pill to the economic backbone of one of the Republican's stronghold counties.

 

Hell, they can't even get on the same page within their party. A reasonable venture capital bill was probably one the best things they could have done for the economy of the state and they fucked that up all by themselves.

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