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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

I don't watch much live television anymore, and PBS was rarely on my watch list when I did. However, a retired teacher friend of mine recommended this to me and it is on Netflix Instant.

 

It is a Masterpiece Classic presentation, an imprint of Masterpiece Theatre, and brings that quality to the show. The story is of a pre-WWII British earl and his family and retinue of staff. Think a miniseries of Gosford Park. Maggie Smith plays the family matriarch. Hugh Bonneville is the Earl. It is a fabulous ensemble piece looking at the family and the family of the staff.

 

Anyone else watched it?

post #2 of 29

Yes. And thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

It was just like living back home again on a Sunday evening with a classic Costume Drama.

post #3 of 29

You can also watch it on pbs.org.

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch/index.html

post #4 of 29

Yeah, it's not groundbreaking stuff (didn't the original Upstairs Downstairs also involve losing loved ones on the Titanic?), but there's a place for this sort of thing when it's carried off this well. Its biggest drawback was that I really didn't (and don't) give a damn what happens to Mary or Edith, and only Bonneville's sympathetic performance keeps me from thinking that breaking the damn place up will be better for everybody in the long run.

 

A few too many tidy summing-up bits and plays for audience sympathy (and the outbreak of war was the other shoe you waited all series for), but the characterizations were mostly well laid-out and believable (though giving Bonneville's character the line about the "poor wretches" in the bowels of the doomed ship was just one example where the urge for 21st-century PC seemed to intrude).

 

Very well-cast, with almost uniformly strong performances, and some choice eye candy (for me, at least) in the persons of Jessica Brown-Findlay and Joanne Froggatt.

 

And if they're not sticking Smith's name on an Emmy statue right now... well, they're stupid, but we knew that. My god, what that woman can convey with the raise of one eyebrow. "What is a... weekend?"

post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 

Edith was a nothing character for me until she

 

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decided to rat out her sister's love making.

I kinda felt for Mary, until the line about the putting down toys. I do think the Aunt, who popped up only in the last episode, seemed tacked on.  I wanted to know more about the household staff. I wanted fallout with Ms. O'Brien.  I love Maggie Smith, and I know the family 'matriarchs' had to compete, but I wish her character had not won the medical battle of the butler's hands. It seemed to be a dig at an educated woman who continues to work, despite her new found wealth.

post #6 of 29

Almost everyone on this series is SUCH A BITCH.

 

I LOVE IT.

 

Just got hooked in the past week through Netflix Instant.  It took me several tries to warm up to it, but it's amazing how complete disdain for certain characters fuels my fire for a show.  Mwahahahaha.

 

I'm hoping to be able to see Series 2 soon.

post #7 of 29

Pretty sure Season 2 is  about to start screening in the USA if that helps - Masterpiece/PBS site.

 

I didn't think the second season was as good as the first, although it's still pretty entertaining.

post #8 of 29

Good grief, is no one really watching this? I thought we liked good things here.

 

Anyway, there was so much to love in the premiere, but my biggest takeaway was the startling displays of humanity from Thomas and O'Brien, whom I suspect everyone hates as much as I do. Also, I want to go back in time and convince Sybil to join me to the present. She's probably my favorite character, aside from that delightfully sassy old Violet.

 

Also, I love how Bates wife became the evillest character on the show by far with just one scene. No small feat.

post #9 of 29

I love all of Violet's digs at the peoples of the Mediterranean.  "These flowers are fine, if you'd like the concert to look like a first communion in Southern Italy."  The one about Greek drama was great too.

 

post #10 of 29
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I didn't think the second season was as good as the first, although it's still pretty entertaining.

 

Agreed, although I felt the Christmas special did quite a good job of redeeming the second series, as a whole.  Wrapped up some of the more aggravating plot lines from season 2, and satisfactorily continued a few others.


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Anyway, there was so much to love in the premiere, but my biggest takeaway was the startling displays of humanity from Thomas and O'Brien, whom I suspect everyone hates as much as I do. Also, I want to go back in time and convince Sybil to join me to the present. She's probably my favorite character, aside from that delightfully sassy old Violet.


Thomas and O'Brien need to die in a fire, asap.  And you can have Sybil, just as long as I get Mary.  May be an odd choice, but I have a thing for tall, witty, and slightly stern brunettes.  I'm weird like that.

post #11 of 29

Fool. She'll toy with your heart, then smash it to pieces. Just you see.

post #12 of 29

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Fool. She'll toy with your heart, then smash it to pieces. Just you see.

 

Probably.  But it would also be a lot of fun, before it goes bad.

post #13 of 29

Will it really be worth it if you die having sex with her? WILL IT?

post #14 of 29

Yes?

 

You know, I was about to add, "as long as I don't die on top of her" to my previous post, then decided not to go quite that far... yet, here we are.

 

Also, while watching the first season, a friend and I decided Mr. Pamuk resembled a Turkish Andy Samberg, which basically means this is the last face he ever made.

post #15 of 29

Yeah, the Christmas Special was a return to form (mostly). Bit disappointed that (spoilers) Sybil and Branson didn't show up, but as long as they're in the 3rd season it's all good.(/spoilers)

 

 

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Thomas and O'Brien need to die in a fire, asap.

 

Aw, I kind of love them and their trollish ways - they're both complete shitheels, but I feel like the show needs that to balance out the sheer weight of virtue being carried by Bates, Anna, Sybil etc. Plus the idea that's they continued their Downtown plotting via correspondence for two years kind of cracks me up. Petty vindictiveness stops for nothing it seems, even World War 1.

 

Mind you, I also liked Vera Bates, so it might just be a breathtaking lack of taste on my part.

post #16 of 29

I have a love-hate relationship with Downton Abbey and those types of shows. I really appreciate the short length compared to 22 episodes of dubious-varying quality.....But. I don't know. I appreciate the sort of rhythm the show works in, but after a while, once you've seen a few of these period drama shows, you've seen them all. 

 

Anyone enjoying the series needs to checkout the Red Nose parodies:

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dMlXentLw

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3YYo_5rxFE

 

I kind of like Sybil, but I think that's the point - I love how the parody skewers her character. And Allen Leech (Branson - the Chauffeur) is so dreamy. He was Agrippa in Rome, and I just....../swoon. 

But I haven't seen any of the second season other than what's posted on PBS. 

 

And let's face it: Maggie Smith has the best lines, and delivers them in the best way possible. 

 

This show seems to be the TV Harry Potter. Count how many times you've seen the actors/guest stars/costumes from other tv shows or movies in this thing!

post #17 of 29

"Edith, you are a lady!  NOT TOAD OF TOAD HALL."

 

I love this show.  So much.

post #18 of 29

Just caught up with season 1 and what a surprise it was.   I was expecting a stuffy English drama and instead I get a classy but very trashy soap opera.   Maggie Smith is so much fun in this and her rivalry with the other old lady (forgot her name) is always fun.   Also, you gotta love that anal sex makes an appearance on a Masterpiece Theater show.

post #19 of 29

I dug season 1.  Season 2 is like a collage of everything I hate about soap operas.

post #20 of 29

Ahem, word.

post #21 of 29

Ditto.

post #22 of 29

Having seen the complete S2, I will say that I completely shared those sentiments for most of it, but the 2-hour finale recovers a lot of the series' original strengths.

 

My principal reservations:

 

1.

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The final scene looks like a Zales Diamond commercial.

 

 

 

2.

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The absence of Jessica Findlay-Brown, whose eyes, lips, and voice could summon me from the grave.

 

post #23 of 29

How so?

 

Between Lavinia and Bates there was an awful lot of lazy melodrama.

 

Perhaps the most annoying aspect of this show, and it's been a peeve of mine from the start, is how unwaveringly noble everyone is.  Except for Thomas, O'Brien and a couple minor characters who show up, cause trouble, then die, you can count on everyone to make the right decision in the end.  There's no nuance, and there are no surprises.

post #24 of 29

The second season is definitely lacking but there's some fun stuff in there.   Not least of which Thomas failing time and time again to be a super villain.    I love that just when you think you've heard the last of the Turk, he rears his head again and again and again.   I'm hoping the Christmas Special is an indication of where the third season is going because it felt like Season 1 DA.

post #25 of 29

 

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Perhaps the most annoying aspect of this show, and it's been a peeve of mine from the start, is how unwaveringly noble everyone is.

 

Yeah, in particular in the second season - Mary and Edith were pretty awful to each other in the first one, for example. Suddenly everyone's on their best behaviour for the war and it's much less exciting. Bates especially is kind of ridiculous in the lengths he'll go to to fall on his sword for the good of, well, whoever happens to be nearby.

post #26 of 29

Just finished the first season on Netflix, and while I enjoyed it, it strikes me as nothing more than a really, really classy Falcon Crest.

post #27 of 29

Well, yeah, it's a very well-done soap opera, which is as enduring a genre as we have. And as with most genres, it's the details of things like casting and chemistry, some of which you just can't plan for, that make the difference.

 

Just to pick the most obvious example, Maggie Smith's role has some good lines, but it's her delivery that makes it classic; another actress, even a very good one, might not have been able to make so much of so little. You just get lucky that the woman's available.

 

A great counter-example is the recent Upstairs Downstairs sequel series: it has its moments, but it's full of characters/actors who just don't seem to connect in the same ways, and it never draws you in the same way.

post #28 of 29

Yeah, second season was kind of pissy overall. The Christmas special was mostly a return to form, buuuuuuuuut...

 

 

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Lavinia's spirit tells us how happy she is for Matthew and Mary? REALLY? Fuck you, show.

 

post #29 of 29

I guess I'm just old and out of touch, because the nobilty and happiness of most these characters, class notwithstanding, felt earned and well-deserved. I loved every minute of this series.

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