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That recap is pretty comprehensive on just how ridiculous this show is.

I think her parents killed her.

Seriously doubt that.

Maybe Rosie's unknown Twin sister killed her.

 

PLOT TWIST!

 

It's obvious to me that the mom and dad are the killers and this whole grief schtick is to throw people off their trail. They were possibly coerced into doing it by Richmond and the mob, who are together trying to take over the city along with the casino people. But I think deep down the parents wanted her to die, because they didn't like her wild ways. Why else is the mom celebrating by taking a hotel trip? 

 

My guess is Richmond bought them that new house as a reward for killing her, and that's why the dad is trying to sell it, because it reminds him of dead Rosie. Belko was also involved obviously, that's why he killed himself out of guilt. I think he was stalking Rosie and saw her parents kill her and then kept quiet because he was friends with the dad, then he got mad at Richmond for engineering the whole thing and shot him and then committed suicide because he was sad. 

 

Anyway, they're all involved somehow. I just hope Richmond walks again. Maybe the last scene of the show will be him standing up from his wheelchair and shouting "I can WALK!" and everyone applauding as Linden and Holden bust in and take him away. Would be a nice poetic, ironical twist to the show. 

 

It's clear to me though we're going to need a Season 3 to sort this all out, and I say bring it on! I'll have something to talk about with my coworkers at the water cooler, I'm not complaining. 

What happened to that one rich guy that like owned a basketball team or something?
 

BlackyShimSham's post reminds me that the writers of this show are bad, but, holy shit, could they be worse.

I actually think that scenereo would be vastly better than what the actual writers have planned for us tomorrow.

There is no scenario, no outcome that will be satisfying. But "the parents did it" would be among the worst, in my opinion. It would make absolutely no sense - granted, not much on the show does. But it makes so many of their actions and private conversations inexplicable. 

 

What if Richmond's head splits open, and a UFO should fly out?

Well, just to play Devil's Advocate... maybe Stan turns out to be a degenerate rapist who molests Rosie cause she ain't his real kid, and Midge just kinda ignores it until she finds out Rosie planned on running away, then they both follow Rosie to the Indian casino and kill her, while stealing the Richmond vehicle that was conveniently parked nearby with the keys in the sun visor (cause, you know, that's where people put their keys).  Then, they both enter a Fugue State after the act and completely forget that they're the ones who killed her, and enter into all the stages of grief, while looking for someone else to take the blame for their guilty conscience which is haunting them on a subconscious level?

I know of one

Holy shit - don't start making me believe that it's actually a possibility!

 

Tonight.

 

We are all watching together, yes?

So the choices are

 

-Watch Linden & Holder making dumb decisions - in the rain

-Watch Sookie Stackhouse making dumb decisions - while naked

-Watch Noah Wyle making dumb decisions - with aliens

 

So tough.  Have to see how they tied it together so Rosie Lawson it is.

 

Over/under on how many times Holer/Linden change their mind on the killer this episode - 3

 

Fuck it, why not.

 

Haven't watched an episode all season, but I assume that just means I missed 12 red herrings.

 

At this point it's either going to be close to home or something batshit insane like a CIA operation gone wrong. Hell with it, I say the mom did it.

 

I recommend also recording a rerun of Law & Order tonight, just in case a palette cleanser is required.

Yeah, I'll be watching.  I'm west coast, so it comes on at like 6:00pm here, plenty of time to watch all the other sunday shows.  lol.

 

Over-under on how many times Lind/Hold change their minds on who the killer is - I'm going with 2.  It's only an hour, and I'm willing to bet they spend half that time thinking it's Jamie before the real killer is revealed.

 

I'm sticking with my Mr. Aimes/Mrs. Aimes theory.  Mr. Aimes is really the only guy Rosie would have recognized from that meeting, and my guess is Mrs. Aimes used Rosie's murder as a way to bring her husband back in line.  She seems to be the real money/power behind the mayor and the casino anyway.  But they have laid the clues down, that Rosie was always worried about being seen by Mr. Aimes, he's the guy who drove the car with the tinted windows, he's been a suspect that Linden/Holder pursued for a while, he's got connections to both the Larson family and the Mayor, etc., etc.  Plus that bit about Rosie's murder being to "passive" for a man in the last episode makes me think it was his wife cleaning up his mess for him.  And since she's in bed with the Mayor, it makes sense she wouldn't care about torpedoing Richmond by having a dead girl found in the trunk of one of his cars.

 

Holder: "Yo, Lindo, can he sees us?"

Linden: "No, Holder. This is a recording from THAT night."

Holder: "What night?"

Did Jamie have an alabie the first season?  This is really dumb.

And why was Rosie on that floor?

Well, yeah. You were expecting it not to be?

She worked at the casino.

Went up there to say a quiet goodbye to the city she was about to leave.

just looked back at the link last page

 

 

 Glad I stopped watching.  Wouldn't the Space Needle have been a better spot?  And not a ferry ride away?

 

Shocked thwere were no more twists.  Now there is 40 minutes left of what?  Richmond quitting the race and allowing the other guy to win?

So...what's the twist!?

"I want you two to know you did great police work."  Line of the year.

Aunt Terry. 

 

Epic fail.

They clearly didn't know who the killer was when they started this. Aunt Terry would have been in shambles S1.

Rosie: "Fuck digital."

And why is Ames not in trouble for lying to the police?

 

Glad it's over.  Can't wait to see thw write ups tomorrow.

Forget Ames. How the hell does this not seem to be touching Richmond?`

 

"You ran a great campaign, Darren. Getting shot and paralyzed. Suicide attempt publicized. Your second in command murdered a young girl. Brilliant shit." 

Wait was it really aunt terry? Why did she do it? Oh god this is great!

Linden: "Another murder case? Wow, too soon. I quit."

Admittedly, I watched the series finale without any context from the second season, but I honestly don't understand what the hell was happening. Why did the aunt do it? How was she even involved? How in the hell did the police never make that connection earlier? Oh yeah, they're terrible cops...

Yeah, Aunt Terry pushed the car into the lake after Jamie beat Rosie - first with his fists, then with a flashlight. Terry did it so she could be with Aimes, and she didn't know it was Rosie in the trunk. She thought it was just some random girl.

Here's the thing though...

First off, I think it's funny that Jamie beat Rosie since its been established he's a shitty fighter and Rosie was taller than him. Lol. But regardless, he freaks out after he sees Rosie drop a film camera that doesn't record sound, and Rosie's head wound is so massive, it soaks her book bag and Jamie's ID in blood, yet she's still able to somehow run away later.

Secondly, the idea that Richmond is able to get the charges against the Indian chief and Aimes dismissed is ridiculous. There is hard proof of obstruction of justice and in Aimes case second degree murder at least, especially with Terry as an eye witness. Plus, the media would have a field day if the new mayor actually pardoned conspirators in his own aid's murder of a teenage girl. The lack of understanding of politics in this show is astounding.

Third, I didn't buy Jamie's suicide by cop. He didn't need to die, nor did he seem willing to die. It just seemed like he had to die so we could get the reveal later on that he wasn't the actual killer.

Wtf happened to the rich donor from the first season? Seems like he wanted a sports arena on the waterfront, and not an Indian casino, and he actually gave money to Richmond and helped him when he needed it. Did he just disappear? Or is Richmond just screwing him over in favor of the Indians for no good reason?

How was Rosie able to edit her good bye film before she got it developed?

Was Jamie's grandpa trying to extort Richmond? I don't understand why he called him and what motivation he had to screw over Jamie who seemed to be taking care of him. Made no sense.

I like how Linden and Holder show up at city hall to get Jamie, find out he's not there, somehow magically know where Jamie lives, take Gwen for no good reason with them to go to Jamie's house, then find out Jamie is back at city hall and turn right around to go back to where they just left. Would it not have made more sense to just let the confrontation be at Jamie's house? Sigh.

I did laugh out loud when the Lieutenant told them "this was good police work.". Especially since they hadn't technically solved the case yet.

Oh, and did we ever get an answer as to who was taking pictures of Linden when she was following the mayor's aid in episode 1 of this season?

Also - for a girl who supposedly hated her father (didn't we have to suffer through hearing about that all season) she sure went out of her way to tell her parents how much she loved them.

 

The show is shit, but you can't expect things to make sense without having seen any of the proceeding season. That's like slamming the Wire by saying, "I only say the final episode, who are these Greek fellows and why did the cops not make this connection earlier? Because they're terrible..."

 

Wasn't the family watching it on TV the next morning? So the explanation would be that Linden had it converted to video and edited in a few hours (or is secretly an AV geek and stayed up all night doing it herself). 

 

I actually thought it was a pretty good finale... if it had aired a year ago. I didn't watch any of season 2, yet I didn't feel lost at all. It felt like it would've only taken fifteen minutes or so to connect season one to this episode. That makes me feel bad for anyone that watched 12 episodes accomplish the same task.

 

I'm not slamming it, but things didn't seem to make sense even within the one episode I watched. Some of it might be callbacks to this season, but a lot of it was callbacks to the last season,which I did watch. And I freely admit that I could be wrong, but I don't know. It seemed wonky as hell.

I thought they were going to tease out the new case at the end of this episode. Maybe they yanked it because they know that there is no season 3. I hope that is not the case because I am SO IN for a season 3.

 

Who

Killed

Gwen

Eaton??

Gods Of Quality Entertainment have mercy on my wandering soul, but so am I, Matchstick. Damn my eyes, I'm in.

 

And I think Van der Werff at AVC says a season 3's not outside the realm of possibility. No announcement of renewal or cancellation yet, BUT: It's apparently a cheap show to produce, AMC has nothing else new on the roster next year, and there's been enough hate-watching (I have to assume) that its numbers have held relatively steady.

 

I just hope they jump ahead an election cycle, so we get to see Richmond's scandal-plagued run for governor. Also, Linden couldn't handle another homicide, so she's transferred to vice, undercover. And her hooker outfit consists of her hair in a big sprayed-up bouffant and heavy make-up, but the same baggy jeans and thick wool turtleneck under a windbreaker.

I watched both seasons of this show and of course this is no Sherlock.  But it just seems like everyone on this forum wants to tear this series down, for what reason?  It is not a great show, so what?  If everyone is such experts and can see all the plot holes, even people who claim not to watch the show, then, by all means, write a better one.  I watched it for what it was, a mild rip-off of Twin Peaks done poorly, but interesting enough to keep watching.  What is the competition in this genre, SUV?  No thanks, if there was ever a show to pick on and heap the vitriol spewed in this forum, that show has it in spades.  Just my opinion, let the slamming of my post commence. 

"a mild rip-off of Twin Peaks done poorly, but interesting enough to keep watching."

 

=

 

Best review The Killing has ever received. 

 

 

Anyway, pretty much everyone in here that stuck it out for both seasons (not many of us) thought EXACTLY the same thing. Not uncommon to link it to Twin Peaks. Not uncommon to say it's made "poorly." Obviously, like you, a few of us kept watching. 

 

As to why people want to "tear this series down", I can think of one reason:

 

"a mild rip-off of Twin Peaks done poorly, but interesting enough to keep watching."

I think some people really need to watch Twin Peaks (again).

I own the series and have watched it many times.  The Killing wanted to at least mimic the mystery of that series, I mean look at the advertising for both, they are almost exact copies.  My point was and is, what else is on in this genre that people thought was so much better?  If nothing, then why all the hate?  Either watch it for what it is, or turn it off.  There is nothing wrong with posting opinions and reviews of episodes, but it just seems that we have people on here just gutting the shit out of this show for no reason but to try to outdo each others previous post.  I mean there are actually people who admit to not watching the show bagging on how bad it is, wtf is that?  We know it is mediocre at best, we bow down to the intelligence of all that recognize the flaws of am admittedly loosely written show,  you guys should feel proud that without watching a single episode you were able to predict (wrongly) who the killer was.  Of course that was only because the police were stupid and the writing was poor, right?

Yes.

 

And for the record I watched the entire first season. I knew 6 episodes in it was shit but I stuck with it because I was genuinely curious who the killer was. After getting fucked on the finale I never watched another ep. BUT I did keep up with his thread and god bless everyone that has posted here. I see I made the smart choice. 

 

Anyway people are saying this might get cancelled, are the rating that bad? If so I have to snicker a little bit.

Calm down, Veena.

 

A-fucking-men. The Killing is like Twin Peaks in that it had synth music and a murder. That's it.

 

There's a very simple reason as to why some people kept watching (and notice that only about 4 people in this thread actually watched through to the end) - same reason that I came back to this thread week after week even though I'd long since given up on the show: The Killing wasn't just bad, it was HILARIOUSLY bad. 

And not just hilariously bad, it was hilariously bad while having a cast that was stacked with actors capable of doing great (or at least very good) work. If the scripts had approached basic competence, the show could have been an above-average procedural.

 

We actually attempted this in here.

No one sets out wanting to hate a show, or ever hopes that it won't turn itself around. The Killing earned its regular slamming, earned it so hard. As for why not tear up SUV or NCIS or the like, well, I'd say the mainstream mediocre is getting all the attention around here that they've earned, which is practically none. Not having a conversation at all is about all the commentary they deserve, and in some sense a far harsher judgment.

 

The Killing just becomes so fun to knock around because of its dire earnestness to pretend that it's higher-quality programming than it is. It's like a 5-year-old trying on Dad's suit and hat. It's adorable in its ridiculously bad fit. I admittedly cut shows like Burn Notice, for one example, which I enjoy quite a bit, a lot more slack in the logic and plot and verisimilitude departments then I ever can The Killing, because I get the feeling that that show knows exactly what it is. Burn Notice feels like intelligent people having fun making a slightly dumb (but well-produced and exciting) show, whereas The Killing always comes across as slightly dumb people struggling to make An Intelligent Drama With Something To Say in the most dour, morose manner possible (because dour + morose = serious work). And that's just hilarious.

 

Especially considering it began life as a freaking remake of a European mini-series, that got rewritten and stretched when picked up for a second season. It's not like Veena Sud had some personal vision to convey that we're bullying her over. It was a property she could acquire, mimic, and profit from. That's another reason I think a third season would be a treat -- she'd have to come up with a story from scratch. Who knows? Maybe that's where she'll shine, not trapping herself within an adapted premise. Maybe a new house writer gives us something we've never seen, some story concept they've had in their back pocket waiting for its chance, like some thematic cross between The Thin Blue Line and Looking For Mr. Goodbar and High Plains Drifter and an Agatha Christie locked-room mystery. I have no idea what that means, but I'd be delighted to give it a fair shot. Or maybe they'll simply marathon The Wire over the summer and go "Ooooh, I see now." But it's doubtful.

 

If there's a season three, it'll be more rain towers, synth tones, bad lighting, conversations behind windshields, ignorance of how computers and cell phones and politics and police procedures and legalities and relationships work, red herrings that become blank walls and cliffhangers revealed to have nothing at stake, and plots and situations and character actions that only make sense using awfully dated TV Logic. Bless their hearts. /scruffle their hair. They look so cute in that suit! Don't move, I'm getting the camera, your mom has to see this...

Fair enough.  This I understand and agree with wholeheartedly.  I guess what rubbed me the wrong way was the people who were not even watching, acting as if they were in the "know" and commenting at how bad the show was.  Believe me, it pained me to even attempt to defend this show, I am clearly aware of how poorly it was executed in every way.  The awful and ambiguous ending was forced by the purgatory of what the future of the show is.  I guess maybe I have a morbid curiosity to see what they could do with a fresh start, but I won't lose any sleep if it never returns.  

 

Thanks to everyone that put up with my rants, and know that I was never saying this show didn't deserve criticism.  I was just surprised by the extent that some individuals were taking it, without any previous knowledge.  I did enjoy a lot of the mock dialogue and future scenarios for upcoming episodes.

 

Cheers. 

There is some hope:

 

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055745