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post #151 of 188

Exactly. Japanese fishing is just over in a few years. This stuff accumulates up the food chain. The risk is now that it will fuck up the rest of the planet.

post #152 of 188

Are the engineers on this plant 13-year-olds whose only work experience is watching construction shows on Discovery? First the fucking tanks, now this?

post #153 of 188

Who knows? The Japanese government is locking down anything that doesn't come through 'official' (read: TEPCO) sources.  

 

So the Alex Jones loonies can run wild with speculation, and actual reasonable voices of concern get drowned out.

 

And we won't know if something more has gone wrong until radiation-monitors spike, or there's a very big kaboom.

 

I think it's time to move to Montana.

post #154 of 188
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Not comforting, but some perspective from the Ploughshares Fund:  Fukushima is bad, but 70 years of nuclear testing is worse.

post #155 of 188

I think Americablog is right: Japan has lost it's right to national sovereignty. This is a disaster waiting to befall the entire world. The people in Japan do not have a right to exclusively play with the fate of our planet. 

 

 

▪ The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), which runs the Fukushima nuclear plant, will delay plans to remove the 400+ tons of damaged nuclear fuel rods from the tilted, leaking Reactor 4 fuel chamber in order to do some “testing.”

▪ Top Japanese-Canadian environmental scientist and writer says, “I’ve seen a paper which says it’s bye-bye Japan” — and we should evacuate North America’s west coast if Reactor 4 goes up. If there is another 7.0 earth quake, Reactor 4 will collapse, and the chances of this happening in the next three years is 95%.

▪ The TEPCO site is so unmanaged that it’s crawling with Yakuza (Japanese mafia) and frightened Yakuza-controlled contract employees.

post #156 of 188
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I think Americablog is right: Japan has lost it's right to national sovereignty. This is a disaster waiting to befall the entire world. The people in Japan do not have a right to exclusively play with the fate of our planet. 

 

▪ Top Japanese-Canadian environmental scientist and writer says, “I’ve seen a paper which says it’s bye-bye Japan” — and we should evacuate North America’s west coast if Reactor 4 goes up.


Otisburg doesn't sound like such a bad idea now, does it?

post #157 of 188
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Otisburg doesn't sound like such a bad idea now, does it?

I am afraid I don't know that reference (though I'm sure it's apt). However it's definitely scary, Art. 

post #158 of 188
Superman, son! And yeah this does sound bad....that's unbelievable that that could reach all the way to the west coast and still affect it that badly..
post #159 of 188
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Superman, son! And yeah this does sound bad....that's unbelievable that that could reach all the way to the west coast and still affect it that badly..

Farther than that. If there is a nuclear fire the particles could circle the globe and fall anywhere. The plutonium would permanently poison the land, in an irreversible way, as well as ruin fishing and water sources. It would be a massive threat to global security. Where do the hundreds of millions of Japanese citizens go if their homeland is poisoned beyond repair? 

post #160 of 188

Do you have any links for those, Harford? I'd like to read more.

It's sad how little attention this all gets.

post #161 of 188

Okay, this is pretty scary stuff. However, in the spirit of international relations, I openly invite any sexy Japanese ladies to come and live with me in London should there be a nuclear apocalypse. As long as, well, you're not a mutant. Or glowing with radiation.

post #162 of 188
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Do you have any links for those, Harford? I'd like to read more.

It's sad how little attention this all gets.

There you go, mate. http://americablog.com/2013/11/japanese-mafia-feared-control-fukushima-nuclear-clean.html

post #163 of 188

Might want to read the actual reporting, and not the hyperbole:

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/us-fukushima-workers-specialreport-idUSBRE99O04320131025

 

The Yakuza isn't 'controlling' the Fukushima cleanup any more than the Illuminati, Cthulu, or the Masons.  Involved?  Sure, the Yakuza have their fingers in a lot of stuff in Japan.

 

Read McMafia sometime, it's fascinating.  The author calls it the Criminal/Political Nexus.

 

You know the IAEA releases weekly reports on the radiation at Fukushima?  They're right here: http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2013/japan-basic-policy8.html

post #164 of 188
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 As long as, well, you're not a mutant. Or glowing with radiation.

 

Hey, don't knock it till you try it.

post #165 of 188
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Might want to read the actual reporting, and not the hyperbole:

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/us-fukushima-workers-specialreport-idUSBRE99O04320131025

 

The Yakuza isn't 'controlling' the Fukushima cleanup any more than the Illuminati, Cthulu, or the Masons.  Involved?  Sure, the Yakuza have their fingers in a lot of stuff in Japan.

 

Read McMafia sometime, it's fascinating.  The author calls it the Criminal/Political Nexus.

 

You know the IAEA releases weekly reports on the radiation at Fukushima?  They're right here: http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2013/japan-basic-policy8.html

No one at the link I provided said that the yakuza are controlling clean up - it said they're controlling poor, migrant workers who are being tasked with much of this clean up, and there is an element of lawlessness and fear amongst those on the site. 

post #166 of 188
Except the title of the article, and the name in the link.

Look, Fukushima is horrible, but linking to the liberal version of Drudge isn't helping the discourse.
post #167 of 188
Americablog is a respected site.
post #168 of 188

Not sure I believe a damn bit of info TEPCO releases, but I guess they're currently about to perform some surgery to move the fuel rods from Unit 4.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24843657

 

post #169 of 188
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post #170 of 188
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Land ho!

 

Radioactive Fukushima water headed for US west coast.

 

I've tried to park in Santa Monica.  Godzilla can have it.

post #171 of 188

Just to add to the fear: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/12/pacific-coast-fukushima-radiation/

 

Really scary stuff. I'd move to Kansas but, it's fucking Kansas!

post #172 of 188
Thread Starter 

Great piece.  There is so much confusion and misinformation out there that I think we're all right to be scared.  Adding to that, I had a friend who lived in Malibu and surfed every day, developed a sudden aggressive cancer in the lower region of his body, and died - related?  Who knows!  It's insane that we're not rigorously testing everything.  What the actual &^%$. 

post #173 of 188

So foods that we've been told are healthy for us, like Salmon and Mushrooms, will apparently be especially susceptible to concentrations of Radiation. Why isn't the entire West Coast up in arms about this?!

post #174 of 188


Fuck's sake, where's this guy when you need 'im?!

post #175 of 188
Between Fukushima and the British Petroleum shitshow in the Gulf of Mexico, every Midwestern po'bucker who ever thought God hated the coasts has all the reinforcement he needs - ironically, thanks to the kinds of polluting companies that fund the climate change denial movement. It's a shame that our descendants won't get the context of the joke, seeing as how they'll be living in caves, eating bugs, rediscovering fire, and whatnot.
post #176 of 188
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Between Fukushima and the British Petroleum shitshow in the Gulf of Mexico, every Midwestern po'bucker who ever thought God hated the coasts has all the reinforcement he needs - ironically, thanks to the kinds of polluting companies that fund the climate change denial movement. It's a shame that our descendants won't get the context of the joke, seeing as how they'll be living in caves, eating bugs, rediscovering fire, and whatnot.


Yeah, but think of how many arms and heads they'll have!  Lucky sons of bitches.

post #177 of 188

And my friend keeps asking me when am I moving back to Los Angeles....

 

post #178 of 188
Hot nuclear fuel appears to have melted a hole through the containers around one of the meltdown reactors and escaped, leading to another deadly radiation leak from the Fukushima facility.

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Tepco and its network of partner companies at Fukushima Daiichi have yet to identify the location and condition of melted fuel in the three most seriously damaged reactors. Removing it safely represents a challenge unprecedented in the history of nuclear power.

Quantities of melted fuel are believed to have accumulated at the bottom of the damaged reactors’ containment vessels, but dangerously high radiation has prevented engineers from accurately gauging the state of the fuel deposits.

Earlier this week, the utility released images of dark lumps found beneath reactor No 2 that it believes could be melted uranium fuel rods – the first such discovery since the disaster.
post #179 of 188

That is horrible news.

post #180 of 188

Much I think Nuclear power offers a good option for carbon free and reliable energy, it should be remembered that the Fukashima plant was considered top of the line, the protections against Earthquakes and Storms was supposed to preclude an accident, and then Mother Nature just tore that thing apart. 

post #181 of 188

I like the idea of nuclear power but all it takes is for one accident to occur to create a long term disaster for, what could be argued, a relatively short term gain.

post #182 of 188
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Much I think Nuclear power offers a good option for carbon free and reliable energy, it should be remembered that the Fukashima plant was considered top of the line,

Whut? Fukushima was an obsolete and dangerous design that had been criticized for years before the disaster.

post #183 of 188

Yeah, that plant uses 50-year old tech and was supposed to be decommissioned before the earthquake.

 

Modern nuclear power is safer and cleaner than coal. And it's not even close. Solar, wind and hydroelectric power aren't viable as a primary power source. The sooner we convert our coal/gas usage to nuclear, the better off we'll all be.

post #184 of 188

 

 

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Yeah, that plant uses 50-year old tech and was supposed to be decommissioned before the earthquake.

 

Modern nuclear power is safer and cleaner than coal. And it's not even close. Solar, wind and hydroelectric power aren't viable as a primary power source. The sooner we convert our coal/gas usage to nuclear, the better off we'll all be.

 

Well I stand corrected! I recall reading that back when the disaster first occurred. Either I read Fake News or mis remembered. 

post #185 of 188

Geez, even if we are able to survive four years of Trump, it's news like this that really keeps me up at night. Just frightening to think what the long-term outcome of this will be.

post #186 of 188

So Fukushima has been taken over by radioactive boars.

 

No, really.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/09/world/asia/radioactive-boars-in-fukushima-thwart-residents-plans-to-return-home.html?_r=0

 

At this point, I'd be willing to hear the boars out. They seem to have a robust defense policy, at least.

post #187 of 188
I'm moving there. Fuck this.
post #188 of 188

Any word on radioactive rhinos?

 

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